lemmy users when they see a lukewarm webcomic (they can just block the community)
please keep reddit trash off of lemmy
At first, I thought people were exaggerating by calling her comics a strawman, as the situation mentioned in the comic above happens too commonly.
I did a little digging and found this deleted thread.
To my surprise she turned out exactly like people she seems to be calling out.
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Edit 2: She didn’t respond and went radio silent on people who shared their experience and called her out.
Edit 3 : Found this in the same thread
lol, this feels like the convo in a nutshell…
Alice: “Bob, I’ll bet you could never imagine what it would feel like if X happened to you.”
Bob: “Actually X has happened to me.”
Alice: “Jesus fucking Christ, Bob! Not everything’s about you!”
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I’ve seen the worst from both sides. Everyone with either a testicle or an ovary can sit right the fuck down.
But that’s just it, right? Your experience is an outlier in the typical male experience. I myself have never experienced those kinds of things, but I am sorry you have.
The problem is, that women experience these types of things far more than men do. It is wrong that it happens to males as well, but that type of sentiment (hey, guys have it bad too!) is exactly why the slogans “All Lives Matter” versus “Black Lives Matter” is a huge deflection on a problematic issue.
Sure, all lives matter, but when there is a disproportionate amount of black people having actions happen that put their lives in danger, re-framing the argument only serves to obscure that reality even further.
I think it’s important to realize there is a time and place for grievance, and when it is someone trying to relate their struggle, it isn’t helpful to mention “well yeah, I have it bad too”. Imagine saying that to a widower: “you lost your wife? I lost my husband and my son!” Comparing burdens does nothing to address the suffering of another, and it doesn’t bring to light the scope of the issue when it is a group that experiences more adversity than another.
The fact of the matter is, we live in a male-dominated society, and as such we experience a much, much different reality than women do. Same with minority ethnic groups. And to marginalize those already marginalized groups even further by bringing up our (very real at times) struggles feels like a slight to them.
I do believe that there is a very real need to talk about toxic attitudes held towards things that happen towards men, which is important because it is mainly due to our status, these issues are all too often swept under the rug or minimized because those things “don’t happen to men”. That is wrong, and is a very real problem.
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Of course everyone has varying experiences, I’m not trying to flatten that fact. When I say “typical” I’m refering to the fact that these types of incidents are more prevailent as an experience by women under the subjegation of a patriarchical culture that gives males a disproportionate amount pf privilege and status in such a society. I myself mentioned in my original post that it isn’t right for this to happen to men any more than women, but I think it’s disingenuous to claim these are equivalent experiences. I mentioned minorities and prejudice, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to state that racism against white people, while it does exist, is a much different thing then what is experienced by minorities. Trying to create a false dichotomy equating male’s experience of sexual harrassment with women’s undermines the severity of the problem by trying to act like it’s a gender neutral issue, it isn’t. We can address both, but it would be wrong to conflate both as the same, we can draw parallels and definitely see lessons from each’s perspective, but we can’t paint both with a broad brush if we want to address what is the core issue with both.
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I hard disagree with your position here, including your allegedly heinous example of bonding with a widow because you also lost your SO! Can you imagine?! Humans bonding over a common experience?
All Lives Matter isn’t fucked up because it believes that all lives really matter, that surface explanation is actually quite virtuous until you learn the context surrounding it. It’s only when you find out it came about as a rebuttal by racists to the Black Lives Matter movement that it starts to take on a sinister note.
The GP saying he gets raped and assaulted by women too is not in any way comparable to the all lives matter slogan and you’re delusional for drawing that comparison.
Women do experience these types of things more, everyone fucking knows that. We should not be dismissing men who are experiencing it too or telling them to hush up cause the ladies are venting right now. Instead we should be encouraging fellow humans to bond and find common ground so that we can move past this bullshit and deal with the real problems? The sexual assault perpetrators - who yes, are admittedly mostly men.
Why men commit more crimes in general is beyond the scope of our discussion…
including your allegedly heinous example of bonding with a widow because you also lost your SO! Can you imagine?! Humans bonding over a common experience?
I used that example, because I am a widow myself. My fiance passed a few years ago. I don’t mean to imply people do this out of malice, just that they try to “make you feel better” by relating to your grief, but unfortunately grief doesn’t work like that. When I am grieving, more than anything I’m just looking for someone to listen and understand, not try and tell me “it’s normal” or “this happens to everyone, don’t feel so bad”, because as genuine and heartfelt that sentiment is it is not helpful. I’m not immune to it either, I met a man on the bus who’d lost his daughter, and my first reaction was to mention my fiance rather than listen and let him let it out. I realized what I was doing and reflected about it later, I saw how he reacted and how sharing that type of pain doesn’t mitigate it, what you really want is to talk to someone without comparing tragedy. There is a time and place for that, but not in those moments of grief and pain.
Yes, I mentioned that explicitly in my comment, did you read all of it? I never said that it was okay for that type of thing to happen to men, and that we should talk about it. And just like with letting women have the floor, we should allow men to have it when the convo is centered on that issue. I don’t see what the issue with giving each issue their own time and space is, we need to have focus if we’re talking about two very different, yet similar scenarios, in order to have some kind of real way to find a solution proper to both.
Sorry you lost your fiancé, that’s awful.
I still don’t agree that finding common ground over grief or any other aspect of the human experience is a bad thing.
Sure when the man on the bus told you he lost his daughter if you had said “you think that’s bad, wait til you hear what I lost” that would be totally inappropriate. Telling him “I also lost someone close to me and know the pain and emotional turmoil that causes” is completely appropriate and is very human.
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Literally undressing you with her eyes.
Edit: i guess the old “literally” jokes died off.
Practically literally undressing
Any chance you’d be willing to dm me a selfie? Your stories are fascinatingly fucked up and I’d like to calibrate the level of attractiveness needed for women to become rapey savages.
Which deleted thread? The link takes me to an entire post and scrolling through that many comments seems a bit pointless.
4th from the top.
Thanks! I see both their points. The comic clearly was intended to point out women’s issues but if men resonate with that that’s fair too. There was a lot of gross stuff though in the rest of the thread(s). I wouldn’t say pizzacake was totally out of line, but it wasn’t particularly empathic, the way she responded. The comments by defensive men though… very wrong place, wrong time.
What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
From all the trending news articles, ten year old boys who got access to tik tok
it’s definitely not just the ten year olds that think this shit.
Mentally, they’re all still ten-year-olds.
Yeah, shittiest shit stains figured out they could blast on Tik Tok. And Tik Tok sees no problem inserting these videos between “why do we use cinnamon on everything” and “why is the sky blue”
iirc, doesn’t china explicitly not allow such shit on their version of tiktok? so it’s just letting america cut their own throat basically?
They’re probably just milking the market.
Just trying to get em while they’re young.
I still have both kidneys, so I’d say I’m pretty “high-value”
Just look at this thread. How many people in this thread are acting superior to her because she has an only fans or because of some other stupid reddit reason. The people are acting “high valued” and superior even if they dont say it. She’s literally using this comment to tell readers that these peoples opinions have no influence on her life, and all its doing is making them more upset. To me, that’s why this comic is funny
I’m surprised people are being offended by the comic. Just because it’s about a narcissistic asshole who never grew up after high school, doesn’t mean that represents everyone.
I took it as a “Don’t judge a book by its cover” kind of message. Also loved the humor of the woman’s sarcasm. Why do people have to make it about race or gender?
Yea, it’s kind of a shit show. When I posted there were no other comments yet.
A manosphere twat, that’s who.
Same vibes when guys call themselves kings, or girls call themselves queens.
Leon Musk, for example.
Let me guess, someone who’s such an egregious self-important A-hole that they are unfuckable? But I’m just guessing.
The kind made of straw
Narcissus was always trying to dodge annoying suitors, so I don’t think he’d want to call himself high value in that context.
Turns out, lemmy has a massive misogyny problem going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yep. Came to the comments and immediately saw they were out in force. I mod !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al and although the majority of men who’ve turned up have been great, we’ve had some misogynists mansplaining and being petty. Fortunately we’re women only
Lol i saw over 300 comments and thought “the real comedy is gonna be all the tears”
And by gawd theres a whole evening’s worth of laughs here.
Wooo! Keep em coming boys!
If you don’t think my joke is funny you’re a racist
I’m not talking about people not thinking this is funny.
I’m talking about people saying the situation in the comic is entirely fictional and doesn’t regularly happen to women especially online.
People who say this is manufactured to make men look bad because women hate all men obviously.
Who here in the comments is saying anything that would justify your accusation? All I’m seeing is people saying the comic is cringe and mid and exaggerated, not that it’s the tip of the propaganda spear of some misandrist defamation conspiracy.
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What can you expect from a bunch of white dudes?
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This made me chuckle out loud thanks for sharing! Do you mind if I share it in !Witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca
I feel like this is one of those conversations you make up in your head and it’s kinda cringe to write it down.
From my experience men often underestimate how often women face weirdos. While the whole conversation might happen only in authors head the initial comment of the guy is quite a regular thing. It is a form of bullying. The rest of the conversation might happen in the authors head only, but it’s sad that women have to face such behavior in the first place IMO. If you don’t think such conversation happens at all, you might get enlightened by the everyday sexism project, the related (audio)book, or just ask a friendly woman around you if they ever faced it. https://everydaysexism.com/
Just look at this thread. People are out in force acting superior to her and putting her down for having an only fans. Theyre providing unsolicited feedback, acting “high valued” without even realize theyre doing it. This comic is showing how she sees the unsolicited feedback from these people on the internet, and calls it out as it is, inconsequential to her life. And what do those very same people do? Get even more upset.
Frankly, i knew nothing about this lady before this thread happened. It’s been a wild ride for me to follow
I didn’t even realize she did nudes in her patreon until someone mentioned it. He of course totally hates it but periodically checks on it (to see if its still there and shes still doing it) using a website that skips the paywall.
Actually it is a regular thing among the asshole “manosphere” crowd (i.e. the pathetic fucking losersphere).
I can see this as a twitter exchange for sure but irl it seems very shower thoughtesque. It could be that a very online person framed it as an irl thing and that what’s jarring.
Then again I am not a woman and cannot speak to that experience.
Why is a typically online interaction being shown as if in person so jarring? If anything, the interaction happening online where they would be unlikely to date anyways makes it even weirder when someone says it.
That is true it is weird af online too. Such a weird thing the way online and in person discourse is so divergent.
You’ve had this conversation?
I brought up an example of a specific sexist and controlling behavior I observed (guys holding their wives or girlfriends by the neck while walking across the street, like they were steering a chicken) in a meetup group and all the men around me said they had never seen it. The two women said they both had experienced it.
Repeat this a thousand and one times with other behavior I and presumably you, as men, will never have to experience but are just as real.
No but I’ve seen it. I’m not a manosphere wacko
There is a whole generation of men being indoctrinated right now that believe women shouldn’t have any rights. Most feminist women on Instagram that I have seen have gotten a multitude of rape and murder threats.
It is nice for you if you never noticed the rampant sexism and general hatefulness that people on the internet show against any minorities they find but I’ve seen several instances of similar exchanges as shown in this comic just in the last two weeks.
Sure, misogyny exists. I’m talking about somebody referring to themselves as “high value” and calling the person they’re talking to a “loud-mouthed, opinionated wench”. It’s just really heavy-handed dialogue.
Those people unironically say stuff like “I wouldn’t even rape you” and call women that don’t look like they are about to die of anorexia fat. They exist in spades, Lemmy just isn’t the right kind of social media for those people to come out with such stuff (except for maybe this post).
Lemmy is 97% Linux users
Aka, high value men
These programming socks have no gender
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No, but I thought about having it, so basically the same thing, eh?
Big shower-arguement energy for sure.
Getting a great blocklist from the comments, i’ll tell ya that
💯
Crazy how many folks can’t scroll past something they aren’t interested in. And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really. Their delicate eyes witnessed it, thus they were compelled to come make a comment.
I don’t think I’d ever find it appropriate to whine in the comments of a user’s post, over a post breaking no rules. I have, and would… just scroll by.
I don’t see “No Pizza Cake” in the rules… why would someone think it would just never show up?
I think it’s basically internet law at this point, if Pizzacake is posted, cranky men must make it known that they find her (and her comics) cRinGe and mEdiOcRe and also she’s a mAnHaTer (dontchaknow).
And yet they subscribe to her OF
i mean, the best punishment for bad art is lack of engagement.
I don’t think pizzacake is a troll (as in makes bad comics so it gets negative engagement), but here we are.
People complaining about her in the comments actually helps her.
if you don’t like it, just move along, don’t give hold her in your head like that zen story about crossing the river with a girl.
I’ll be honest, I kinda wanted lemmy to not have the same mentality as the audience of r/comics who just straight up hate all men. But it looks like these comments are kind of a warzone. I wonder if the mods from that sub have any power here? They defend her from even polite and constructive criticism.
Bro, I wouldn’t call this “hate all men” content. If you think all men (or even a majority of men) are like that guy, you need to rework your thought patterns.
I was similarly disappointed. This kind of humor isn’t funny at all. It’s just a made up scenario to trigger people. I can’t prove that it’s b8 but, if it’s not, it’s damn close.
This comic is neither funny nor thoughtful. I’d say it’s getting the critique it deserves.
I found d it funny. It’s almost like funny is a subjective thing.
And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really
So just scroll past it if you don’t like it?
Feeling called out?
Are you? I haven’t whined on this post, so that’s a weird accusation to make. Methinks you’re projecting, sorry your delicate eyes witnessed an opinion you don’t like.
If you aren’t one of the whiners, why you all in a snit and replying, thinking I’m even talking to, OR about you?
And for real?!.. “I know you are but what am I?”… 🤡 I don’t think I’ve had anyone try that argument on me in decades 🤣🤣🤣
I think, anyone who pops in to “PeeWee Herman” the convo and includes “methinks” within their statement, maaay be pictured above.
Why is it that everytime I see this artist nowadays it’s just a preachy kill-a-strawman comic? I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened? Did they change, did I? Am I mistaking a shite copycat for an artist I remember fondly? Is this what senility feels like? How was your day?
Is it really a strawman when we see actual headlines about public figures acting this way?
A strawman? What the fuck are you talking about?
He apparently identified with the arrogant man in the comic.
Why would I answer a self-avowed big stupid idiot who poops their pants and kisses their sister???
I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hidden-motives/201203/unreliable-memory
Don’t gaslight people lol
you see, when somebody says something mean to you online, spending your time on 4-panel is the best way to prove how not mad you are, consult some Dobson webcomics if you need examples.
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You can block the person or sub-lemmy. Yay federation!
I think comm or /c is the proper nomenclature.
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#BINGO!
You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
I’ve honestly never encountered this artist and don’t know any of the drama around them.
Can I say her art style sucks just to win the prize for a bingo though?
the prize is more bingo.
Weird how people get so parasocially attached to others, to the point of whiite knighting
thou doth protest too much!
I couldn’t give a flying shit about the artist.
I just enjoy poking at the incels that clearly feel emboldened to flame the threads every time PCC gets posted.
I mean, it’s literally every single post. It’s getting old and boring. So, I made the bingo card to spice the turd stew up that y’all make.
is it not hot enough for you? don’t worry, I’ll make it extra spicy for you next time 😘.
What’s old and boring is PCC’s fan army defending her and her mediocre comics (while simping her OF) at every turn, being just as toxic as her.
Make it spicy how? You gonna sue me like PCC tried to sue a subreddit for critizing her comics?
The only people mentioning her OF are guys like you who get riled up when someone does sex work to pay their bills. Please tell me where she so relentlessly advertises her nudes in her comics and where people in this thread “simp” (and I don’t mean defending the fact that she has one) for her OF.
Yeah, but to be fair, the threads linked here from r/BHJ are Chernobyl-level toxic, and they seem to think they’re the victims.
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
Honestly if someone is referring to themselves as “high value” anything then it’s pretty clearly a low value thought. Doesn’t really matter who they are.
If they have anything of high value, it may be their component parts. Lightly used kidneys are at a premium right now.
Probably just because she’s constantly on the front page of Reddit. I had blocked her there which solved the problem for me. But if she starts getting reposted a lot here there’s no escaping it.
Not to downplay the fact that there are some loud mysogynists. But there are legitimate artistic crituques that shouldn’t be lumped in with them.
Lemmy got a bit worse lately sadly
Truth to be said Lemmy has negative resistance to bad actors due to its nature and implementation.
If we treat social media like stock market then fundamental analysis of Lemmy does not bode well for long term investment so to speak.
Or to put it yet another way. Lemmy is less shitty than reddit and that says a lot about how enshittified and unusable Reddit is in 2025
