As someone brand new to Lemmy I’m now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.
I didn’t realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.
FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.
Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I’m not a communist)
So I’d say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.
so you admit you’re a tankie alt? Good job, see you on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works lol
I’m sorry about whatever stunted your reading comprehension.
Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don’t care.
didn’t you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?
Every person who signed up for my favorite instance is gold, everyone who signed up for the one I dislike is actually a troll and must be de federated.
there’s always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.
the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and “karma” won’t transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.
Karma? I’ve been on lemmy for 9 months and I don’t know that there is karma? Pls tell me mine
I know that there is a number that’s visible on kbin called “reputation”, I think it works like karma, but I’m not sure. Yours is 2286: https://kbin.earth/u/@RidderSport@feddit.org/reputation/threads
Pretty neat, thank you
Lemmy though. Where is Lemmy karma?
Don’t worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they’re such fundamentalist assholes about everything.
tbf, if you’re not hostile to the US at this point, I’d seriously question your sanity. You don’t need to be a tankie for that.
You’re not expected to know.
Just sign up somewhere else.
All accounts are throw away.
This is bad for adoption
Is that another way of saying it filters out trash from reddit?
Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.
.ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.
The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.
Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.
All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.
You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.
the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.
it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
I include .world in the category “other”
For the record i am also starting to feel like sopuli is getting a bit crowded. Don’t get me wrong everyone is welcome i just think we can benefit from more independent niches and corners.
I strongly prefer having niches and area with different cultures rather than single large instances too. I just don’t think people shitflinging based on peoples instance and broad stereotypes about the instance culture is a helpful behavior for any community. Yet it’s extremely common for these type of two minutes hate threads because they’re just baiting a response.
Lol “stereotypes”? I’ve got plenty of evidence right here:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
Why/how are big instances a problem though?
The main problem with centralisation
If the majority of user and communities live on a the same instance, and that instance goes down or becomes to toxic to keep federated then fediverse loses a large chunk of its whole. While if it a tiny instances that dissapears only a few people and communities need to migrate.
General i also think its beneficial if the owners of an instance are the same people from the communities its hosts. The role of general use instances should be more like a backup mirror
One example is the lemmy.ml problem. You see the rest of the Tankie Triad is pretty widely defederated from, but lemmy.ml isn’t despite doing much of the same things, just a bit more subtlety.
Because lemmy.ml is such a big instance and has a few of the biggest comms (By subscribers only, which means a bunch of dead accounts boosting the numbers, by MAUs a much different story unfolds) many instances admins are hesitant to defederate from them
Big instances carry too much power and influence and if you’re a toxic instance like .ml, it can be used to basically bully other instances into remaining federated with you
The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you’re surprised that it’s insular?
You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they’re a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It’s actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.
you accidentally joined a gang of fascist supporting scum.
the answer is simple, join a different instance and abandon the pieces of shit.
of course you don’t have to, but when someone calls you a “scumbag fascist supporting simp”, don’t get mad.
Same
lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or “great leaders and allies to the cause”, most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
hey look a post from a lib that’s so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can’t contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷
I’m gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You’re in the speech! Let’s face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.
So please, cry harder, because I need more material!
🫶🏽🥂
‘jokes on you, I have gay friends’
-the person posting homophobia
maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
How the hell are you reading homophobia into the original comment?
'verbally fellating" is kind of the tipoff
the misogyny is the second paragraph
🙄
😇
This right here is why ML has the reputation it does.
ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe the red scare propaganda.
most arguments against it by the aforementioned people have a shaky connection to reality at best.
As I’ve said before, it doesn’t matter if you suck dick or not. It does matter whose dick your sucking (proverbially), which in this case would be Putin, Jingping, et. al.
In the last year I saw way more people being supportive of genocidal libs like Biden and Harris, I judge those people pretty harshly too
maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
I intend to! What a perfect moment to highlight the exploits of edgelords on the internet. I’m sure I’ll be strenuously heckled and ostracized for condemning and deriding supporters of Putin, the CCP, and the DPRK on the internet there.
It’s in June, back home in Chicago, so it’ll be a joyous affair, of which you’re an expert of, no doubt.
I’m sure homophobic insults will go over great with the people you associate with.
There’s nothing homophobic about what I said.
I’m sure all your gay friends approve👍
More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
Ffs. Yes, supporting Russia’s invasion is a step too far. However, there is a valid point to be made regarding the West’s geopolitical maneuvers leading up to the invasion. NATO expanding east after promising not an inch further, supporting regime change in Ukraine, crossing more of Russia’s “red lines,” etc. Again, I want to stress that the invasion is morally reprehensible, but it’s clear why they did it from a geopolitical standpoint.
Nobody is talking about why Russia did what they did and realistically there’s nothing majorly wrong with NATO, it’s an alliance of mostly EU countries to band together to prevent another world war and to protect themselves from “another Germany” and Russia has done absolutely nothing over the past 20+ years to assure people that they won’t attack NATO EU countries. Quite the opposite in fact.
In any case, I have them parroting Russia narratives/misinformation here: https://lemmy.world/post/27314050 here: https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and here https://lemmy.world/post/27288224 shows censoring of people even merely express that EU is also right to be concerned of Chinese and Russian militaries on their front lawn
I agree there’s nothing inherently wrong with NATO, but I think you have some of the NATO basics wrong. NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian alliance. There wouldn’t be a NATO if there wasn’t a Soviet Union, that’s not up for debate. Russia wanted to join NATO at one point, ffs. Russia has done a lot fairly recently to show they won’t attack NATO countries. For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.
NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian
Right, because they were considered the biggest threat, if any country was going to go “Germany” it would be Russia/USSR.
Russia wanted to join NATO
That doesn’t prove anything, Russia excels at Intelligence programs, so if anything there were ulterior motives. “Russia. Crap military, fantastic intelligence agency” ~Some comment I saw here once.
For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.
Are you serious? Attacking sovereign countries to show other sovereign countries in an alliance that you won’t attack them?
Yea no, he doesn’t want to attack NATO yet, he wants to slow down its growth because he wants Russias military growth to outpace it first. Then when he feels good and ready then will be the attack.
Unlike Drump, Putler isn’t stupid, he has a plan and he’s executing it. And a big thing about plans, you generally want to take certain actions at certain times
Okay great, we agree on the first quote. Why’d you use Germany as an example instead of Russia?
Second point. You think Russia is super sneaky or something? If they were, then how’d they lose Ukraine and had to invade? They’re clearly lacking when compared to the West.
Third point, yeah, I’m serious. Russia won’t attack NATO. They clearly don’t want to fight NATO, hence preventing countries within their sphere of influence from joining NATO. Russia would get wrecked even if they somehow won. It’s not worth it and if NATO was somehow weak enough that Russia could win, then they wouldn’t need to fight. They could coerce/incentivize without invading.
You’re very misinformed or just intentionally misrepresenting history here. If you think Russia was ever going to join nato in good faith even if allowed, you’re a silly child.
My dear downvoted friend! I think this perfectly answers @Vegeta@lemmy.ca question. If you have any viewpoint outside what is “political correct” you get downvoted, even just saying what the NATO Secretary General Jens “Warmonger” Stoltenberg gloated himself:
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
So what are socialists to do? They can’t help it! And the only thing liberals hate more than fascists are socialists, especially the dirtbag left when they get a little snippy.
Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
Then link it. You’re full of shit.
- Gathered all by the same dude
- Uses his own posts as evidence
- Considers anarchist instances tankie instances
So if I gather my own posts as a citation for my own claims that’s valid too?
Did you actually read through their links? Because if you did, I don’t think you’d be this confident.
I have. I stand by everything I’ve written in this post.
Well, I read through them, and they are definitely not making the point that y’all are trying to make. I assume you’re counting on other people not going through them.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
where the fuck are you finding it? i hang out in these instances often and will rarely see it.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Oh wait you’re on .ml and the admins have censored it from you so you’ll have to use this link: https://lemmy.world/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
Damn it all. They didn’t disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.
The downside of anything decentralized is that only community pressure reduces scams.
JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
So I’m 100% on board with most of what you said but… What on earth does ‘bitch-made’ mean? It’s setting off my women-hating red flags.
I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.
Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in “of ill birth from a mangy female dog”.
I have heard it used in common street language where I’m from from both men and women, gay and straight.
I appreciate your vehemence and the vigor with which you make your point, and also agree with your point. I only had issue with that particular insult because in my culture, it does initially read as misogynist. I figured I’d ask if you meant it that way because you probably didn’t.
I agree, I don’t particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it’s the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at ‘enemies’ broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively
Diva, we disagree on a lot of things, and we agree on others, which makes you (genuinely) so much fun for me to see in a thread.
I just told people on another thread that (because of my trauma background) I don’t feel anger very often, which means I appreciate folks like you (and conversely, maybe, Rusty here) because I see you leap straight to it with abandon.
I guess what I’m saying is, it takes all kinds to make a world, and I’m glad you’re in it.
Thank you, the feeling is mutual! 😊
So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I’m glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are “the left” is like supporting Hitler just because he is “the right”.
New user checking in, did you use the two asterisks or the pound sign?
Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There’s a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.
The asterisks work for italicized characters, but the c-squared(pound) sign didn’t. Maybe cause we’re on different instances?
Did you put a space between the pound and your text?
# should look like thisThank you! I’m still used to Reddit markdown.
You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of “no xenophobia”.
I think the admins call it “Rule 1.”
at this point i think you would be better off checking it out for a while and seeing if its for you. the answers here are extremely biased so far.
Documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Or here for a sampling:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
ml is superior and provides unbiased points of view
proceeds to interact heavily on world
sure…just like DPRK. “motherland is better than here and I’m not leaving until you acknowledge it.”
holy strawman
And .ml is absolutely unbiased and doesnt censor!
Oh wait, they are and do:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
I’m not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don’t like that.
However, some of you whipper snappers don’t know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.
Edit: added “allegedly”
Tankies aren’t real leftists. They’re morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they’ll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they’re the authoritarian “left”… as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority…
The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.
You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.
I’m on ML because it is the dev’s instance, that’s it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.
.ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don’t mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO
Yeah but I’m not Canadian
Neither am I. However, I have seen one or two people on ca that claim it’s an instance “for Canadians”, but that isn’t the majority view.
Canadian news is mild compared to other instances and their admins rock. They just did some good hardware updates and the instance is fairly reliable. 10/10, would recommend. The author of my client (Connect) is also on that instance, and I contribute a bit to that community as well.
I could see some downsides if the occasional post in French would piss you off.
As a Canadian on .ca, I’d say it was made for Canadians, but others are more than welcome. It’s kind of like a nice park. Sure, it’s ours, but you don’t need our permission to come hang out.
And now I kind of want to try out Connect.
It’s “for Canadians” in that if you’re Canadian and joining Lemmy, lemmy.ca ought to be your default choice, but we welcome anyone that isn’t a shitbag
Dude, you can still come over. As a Canadian you have my permission. Yes, glad to see other folks said something good about Lemmy.ca. It is nice. I agree. :)
Yeah, it’s a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world
That was the state of things back in '23 when the first migration happened
Yeah, i was being facetious. I was here. lol
I originally joined World like everyone else but pretty quickly left for Mander just to spread the load.
Almost two years ago now!
I left .world for sh.itjust.works…eyeing db0 tho
I think both are cool instances.
As a casual lemmy user… how do you switch instances? Download your data, create a new account, upload your data?
Just make more of you and spread those username tentacles. Muahah. I have three now.
Just create a new account. The other account will continue to exists and so its posts. Does it matter to transfer them?
Dunno. Still getting used to federated communities like this, guess I assumed it would be more complex than that
You could do what’s discussed in this thread https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985
I just delete the old account and create a new one on the other instance. I have no interest in keeping a comment history. The internet and it’s communities are a void for me. My social interaction, what little there is, is handled in meat space.
Just don’t post anything anti China or Russia and you’ll be fine.
I am pretty anti-tankie. I’m even a mod at onehundredninetysix. The censorship of some words is kind of funny though.
Or swearwords, or any word that is partially composed of a swearword. Or talk about people that are pro-China or pro-Russia engaging in any kind of bad behavior in other places that have no relation to ML.
I’m sure the list continues, but I blocked them a while ago.
Lemm.ee we tell you about my instance then… :)
Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).
They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and “just ask questions”, like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such ‘questions’, even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don’t concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
But well, I also don’t concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don’t have to agree with everything they think, just because I’m on their instance, so I don’t care nearly as much as some other folks here.That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.
If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.
I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.
At this point I’m not sure if they are tankies, or whether they’ve just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.
I’m an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies
Nope, clear definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
This makes sense.
I do think “tankie” is the wrong word, as “bootlicker” sounds more apt since Russia hasn’t been communist since '91.
As in, these devs are definitely authoritarian, but communist? Absolutely not.
Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.
Good to know, I totally thought it was a pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks, and I rarely see people talking about that so I was very confused.
Note: this comment is dripping with sarcasm
pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks
Funnily enough, didn’t it come out two weeks ago from JFK papers that the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters of the Hungarian Revolution was on CIA bankroll? Wow, tankies have been vindicated etymologically? Who woulda thunk
So does that mean the Hungarian revolution was engineered by the CIA? Like by the US government? I think that was suspected for a long time, but also that justifying the tankie view ignores a lot of nuance imo. Does “america bad” really justify the use of tanks? Was the Hungarian revolution really fascist even if some of the leadership was? Or was it simply an anti-authoritarian struggle for freedom and self-determination?
Idk, I’m lacking in a lot of historical knowledge.
The Hungarian Revolution didn’t need to be fascist to justify the use of tanks, but yes, the fact that Hungary suffered a US-supported coup is worthy of tanks. The horrors lived in Eastern Europe as a consequence of the dismantling of socialism in the name of “freedom” are unspeakable. Millions of lives lost to unemployment, alcoholism, lack of healthcare, suicide and a myriad more of reasons. Those don’t matter I guess, since they’re victims of capitalism.
“America bad” by itself almost justifies the use of tanks. Joining the Western World in imperialism, unequal exchange and ultimately genocide, is a crime against humanity, and history books of the future will reflect this. History won’t be kind to those who exploited the billions of people of the global south for the selfish gain of a few capitalist overlord.
K I gotta bow out of this one, we’re getting into territory and history on which I am not educated or confident enough in my knowledge to discuss, also it’s a very controversial topic I don’t want to discuss on a public forum with people who don’t know me.
Sorry, I acknowledge that I asked a bunch of questions you are just answering lol. My fault!
Cheers, hope you have a lovely evening!
While those event was certain to cause some resentment of USSR/Russia, that hatred needs to persist long after Russia gave all of those countries liberation peacefully, and that all lies and diminishment becomes morally justified.
Neo-Tankyism is all reality opposing maximization of Russophobia and Sinophobia for CIA/US empire subjugation of those who could benefit from non-US subjugation. It is a projection in protecting their programming no matter how evil the US is, or actively directly attacking them, because their programming has no factual defense.
Authoritarianism sucks, no matter what country is doing it.
Specifically, those who also ignore the ccp, putin, hamas, and hezbolla’s evil and lies.
I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.
I don’t think you know what communism is supposed to be if you think it is as evil as capitalism… (note I said supposed to be, not what ever language an authoritarian decides to couch their takeover in)
I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.
Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an “old account”. All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.
Yeah I made this account with my reddit username. Made another account that I’m building up with a dif username to be more anon and less attachment so more easily abandon able
deleted by creator
Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.
Why is your username red? What sorcery is this?
I’m an admin for your instance, and you are using voyager (:
Eww and also creepy
Mmm?
My words. We arent done justice
I am confused now. I was just called a “leftist Nazi” and “liberal right wing nazi”. Lulz.
My point is that I think the terms “leftist” and “liberal” have been redefined again, just as a heads up.
Those terms don’t have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.
The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.
I have not verified the validity of those claims. I’ll edit the post to reflect that.
Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist’s class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their “silly” ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where… Gasp… You can’t grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.
They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist’s exploitation.
Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life… So far! 🔥🌎🔥
Socialism works in theory, but in practice they have not solved the problem of CIA death squads murdering their leaders and fomenting a coup.
A few kinda solved it, namely Soviet Union and Cuba. And libs will never forgive them for it.
No, they eventually took down the Soviets.
Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a “leftist”, “socialist”, “communist”, or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they’re edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.“wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?”
You can hate “The West”, their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks because they’re “not The West”.
Liberals keep telling me to support the lesser evil in elections, but when I apply that to geopolitics they get mad…
If you really want to get them mad, apply it to pizza toppings.
Cool beans. Go support the “lesser” of two evils.
Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks
Why the homophobic comment though
How is that homophobic? There’s no mention of the gender of the bootlicking edgelords.
You don’t have to be a man to suck dick.
I’m pretty sure there’s some homophobic roots in there. But that aside, why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult? Doing that would only discourage cock sucking, and who in their right mind would want less cock sucking in the world. Makes no sense.
why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult?
Probably because of the perceived power dynamic between the cock sucker and cock suckee.
How does that make sense?
I can bite their dick off whenever I want, surely I’m the one with all the power here.
What if the dictator busts all your teeth out for a better time?
There shouldn’t be a power dynamic under normal sucking conditions. Maybe if you have a power dynamic kink, then sure, do your thing, but regardless, people shouldn’t turn consensual sex acts into insults, that only discourages fun.
It’s not about whether you’re sucking dick or not. It’s about whose dick you’re sucking.
wtf is that wrong with xi jingping
Well, to start, he’ll never relinquish power. According to him, he’s in charge forever. That alone is all one needs to thoroughly distrust and oppose.
thats not how chinese democracy works, and i’m not sure where you got that from.
he will be replaced when their “parliament” of sorts decides hes not doing a good job anymore.
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>Like Dessalines?
this graphic is missing brazil in 1964 its missing literally every other country that isnt listed.
now that i think of it, it would probably be easier to list the countries the US didn’t destroy in central and south america.
Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of “yes daddy”.
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don’t see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.
A few select .world users make a big fuss out of nothing in order to keep people signing up to their centralized instance.
A “big fuss” with a whole lot of documentation:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
It is crazy how obsessed you are with .ml while .world is calling cartoons critical of Israel “antisemitism”.
So your reply to… 20 links, is to complain that someone is documenting well (“obsessed”) and then make one claim against the entire instance with one supporting link?
I have a massive problem with .world. There’s a reason I’m not on it. But the .world liberal problem doesn’t undo the .ml tankie problem. Two things can be true.
20 links linking to his own posts. At least the first 3 did.
Those three links were posts of screenshots of mod actions? If I was doing a big, hyperfocus-style, documenting-things kind of thing, I wouldn’t link directly to the modlog for a lot of reasons. I’d link to a screenshot of the modlog. That way, people can see the thing I want to point out, and then if they want, go verify that it’s in the modlog.
Normally I wouldn’t wade into this obvious shitshow, but I have a massive pet peeve of a person dismissing another person’s argument with, “There’s too much evidence.” I get not wanting to comment individually on each and every thing they posted, who has the time, but for “I don’t want to engage with all this content,” there’s the option of not commenting at all. Telling someone that their point is invalid because they have too much content is really really really frustrating for me. That might be my neurodivergence but…
But, “your point is wrong because there’s too much evidence and I don’t wanna read it” isn’t a counterargument to the original point being made. And making a counterpoint of, “but here’s MY argument and MY evidence and I want you to engage with THAT” is… not what good faith debate should look like. If you can’t be bothered to engage with the original point being made, using it to pivot a discussion to your own point is… rude.
They have no evidence. They link questions to Liberals who ask rhetorical questions, such as “how can anyone in good faith support China and Russia” and then paste generic propaganda their post which all apply to America a thousand times more.
These are deeply unserious people who do nothing but concern troll on asklemmy. Spouting nonsense and putting a question mark after it.
And likely alt accounts of cm002 as he always complains about Hexbear and Lemmygrad while we cannot even see their posts on .world
I have to say, I read your comment, then went back and actually looked at the first three links they posted. None were rhetorical questions. Are you looking at something somewhere else that I’m not aware of?
But it doesn’t… Like I’m not actually interested in your fight. I just have a massive pet peeve about someone coming in, seeing a wall of links called ‘evidence,’ and choosing to ignore all that to start a different fight.
Ok and where is your linked evidence?
Looks like the issue was with the source and the comm you posted it in (worldnews is for articles not comics)
And it was expressly stated if you uploaded the comics to an appropriate comm without the tainted controversial source it would be perfectly fine. Have you tried uploading them to !comicstrips@lemmy.world ? Was it removed from there?
In any case, JordanLund is not an admin so worst case they’d just be a rogue mod, my evidence directly points to admin (e.g. dessalines and davel) censorship, mandates and propaganda pushing which is far worse. It speaks directly to the Tankie agenda they’re using their instance for
Please read the linked comment and down from there. For more context on why the specific site is brought up read up slightly.
Also please state whether you believe the comics are antisemitic.
Please read the linked comment and down from there. For more context on why the specific site is brought up read up slightly.
Still, it’s a bad moderation decision, not nearly as bad as having instance admins actively push a narrative and their personal political agenda like what is going on with .ml
Also please state whether you believe the comics are antisemitic.
I do not, from what I’ve seen they’re rightfully critical of the Israeli government and it’s policies and mere criticism of a religion is not anti-Semitic and in fact all religions should be openly criticized
I don’t know. I’m on ml. Something about ‘tankies’? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven’t received any teasing for being on ml so I think it’s a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?
Its not about all users on ml, but about the quite big (or very loud) group of ml users being tankies. This phenomenon is so wide spread, that in most cases when you see a tankie somewhere they are usually coming from ml.
Except now y’all broadly apply “tankie” to anyone who’s anti-war, so it’s lost all meaning.
If by war you mean the Ukraine war. And by anti you mean give Russia all it wants in order to end it. Yes, anyone that is anti-war is a tankie.
Yeah, that’s what I said. Y’all apply it to everybody who opposes escalation with nuclear superpowers, or supporting US proxy wars.
If you support those, then you’re not anti-war.
But ackchually did you know if you were against the Iraq invasion in 2000s you are pro-saddam? Checkmate, tankies
/s if it wasn’t obvious.
LoL. I remember.
And the people who fall for it will pretend they knew it was an illegitimate war all along, when the media narrative finally changes. And they won’t learn anything from this, and they’ll go along with the US narrative again next time.
opposes escalation with nuclear superpowers
Violating an agreement guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders? Totally fine. Providing support in accordance with that agreement? A step too far, that’s escalation!
Next tell me how evil nato forced putin to invade Ukraine to prevent nato expansion. And then how two new countries joining nato counts as preventing nato expansion.
Which is it? Should the Minsk agreements have been followed or not? Because every action you’re describing by the west is a violation of the agreements. Zelenskyy ran on neutrality, and respecting agreements made with Russia, then reversed course once elected, and now refuses to hold elections and risk the people electing a real neutral candidate.
You have a complete misunderstanding of the basic facts in this conflict: https://savageminds.substack.com/p/save-ukraine-from-american-meddling
The Budapest memorandum. You know, the entire reason Ukraine handed over their nukes? Minsk happened after Russia already violated that. Ukraine should’ve had an entire US arsenal the second Russian troops stepped foot in Ukraine.
And it’s well documented that Russian regulars were there, so don’t bother with the separatist stuff.
It’s capitalist and pro-war propaganda.
Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
It’s not exclusive to ML though.
Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren’t part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.
Basically, there’s a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.
That’s my understanding of the situation anyway.
All three are very reasonable and fun if you go in actually willing to chat.
A thread today had every comment criticizing Republicans deleted. Why the fuck would you visit a place plagued with such censorship!?
link please
Could you please show some evidence lol
Can you link the thread/evidence? Given the right context that’d be pretty damning.
I understand the mods disagreements here but I can’t agree with just straight up deleting these comments. Censorship has its place, but this isn’t it imo.
That’s just par for the course for the lemmy.ml admins, here I did a small write up with additional evidence in response to another user on the dedicated thread for these screenshots I made on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I don’t know what I expected but it wasn’t this. I had no idea.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works might be helpful to better understand the situation
.world got big mad that .ml users pointed out the genocide was a genocide and America was helping it
And I’ve got .ml continuing to spread bLuEmAGa crap and openly praising Trump because he’s doing what they want, screwing over a whole ton of people in the process including the LGBTQ+ community which is hilarious considering they position themselves as the LGBTQ+ instance The ends justify the means amiright?
Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian
bootlickers“communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there
New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.
Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the “Banderists” or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?
I have lots of documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where’s yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied
That’s not true. You’ve openly admitted you only accept corporate or western government sources. The same ones pushing the propaganda you like.
And if it’s an outlet that challenges your narrative, you say it’s not a legitimate source. So it’s this endless feedback loop of trying to prove CIA narratives with you pointing to either the government story, or the news laundering it, with this self-reinforcing nonsense.
No amount of linking to accounts from journalists on the ground or involved in negotiations, or CIA documents revealing hoaxes, has ever budged you an inch or convinced you to question your worldview. Evidence doesn’t work on astroturfers.
Ah yes, the classic CIA this and CIA that, sorry if I don’t accept randosblog.removed or totallyalegitjournalist.substack.com anybody can start a blog and say whatever they want
How can one accept what you say when you glorify dictators, openly handwaved away “reeducation” camps, caught editing headlines to subtlety push aganda and allow known propaganda outlets and when someone says something about it, they’re censored. Hell you guys even deny Taiwan as being a country and everyone against you is just some form of paid agent
Jeffrey Sachs isn’t ‘just some rando blogger.’ And the State Dept and CIA have openly admitted they don’t have the evidence to back the claims you’re making (maybe you should join and share your info with them), and US documents & cables have been leaked backing China’s version of events you still deny.
But you believe MSNBC’s version more than firsthand accounts and leaked US cables.
Thank you for portraying the behavior I’ve accused you of directly in this thread. That’ll save people reading from having to go through your profile to see the madness.
I find it fascinating that at no point did you link or even mention him until now or “these leaked cables” and yet you still don’t link anything. Almost as if you’re banking on people not googling him or something and just believing you outright 🤔
Not at all. I’ve linked the same cables to you before, and you dismiss them. Once I get to a stopping point at work, I’ll come back with the links and previous comments. Or they can look them up on Wikileaks themselves.
I would love for people to look up what Jeffrey Sachs has to say on Ukraine. The guy has been on the ground investigating, and directly involved in negotiations. He is absolutely an authority on the subject.
More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn’t a fascist fuckup of a government.
LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots
There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are “tankie propaganda”.
Me: Brings receipts
Tankies: “Yea…bu…but… well ACkShuLly it’s just because of your HaTREd as a result of you being fed WeStERn PrOPaGAnDa, so it’s all INVALID! FAKE NEWS!!”
Thanks for the tag!
haha look at them bringing their alts to downvote you keep doing good work!
Your “receipts” include two screenshots of one guy posting links to news sites who wasn’t even from said instance and it had negative vote score. The other is a mod action with 0 context. How you possibly think that represents any popular opinion astounds me.
How do I get your level of entirely unearned self-confidence?
LMAO somebody’s not paying attention, there’s PLENTY of posts in there, all with screenshots with links to threads AND the modlog to complete the context. What I directly linked was but a mere sampling, here:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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You’re either just straight up lying or you didn’t even check the receipts lol. That’s not even close to what was linked in the original comment.
(Takes a deep breath, clears mind, gets into character)
This meme format is a product of capitalism, posted to a capitalist instance, and you should be ashamed. Instead of posting an image of a capitalist pig, why aren’t you out in the streets burning shit down??/? There’s no good capitalist. If you’re not out in the streets overthrowing capitalism and burning everything down, RIGHT NOW, you’re part of the problem! Rabble Rabble Rabble, guillotines, violence violence violence.
In a nutshell, anyway. Or at least that’s how it was from users there on every 3rd post/comment before my instance finally defederated.
The main problem is that any criticism of China is met with an instant ban, as per “Rule 1, 2”.
Well, I was banned from ml because of a conversation on another instance. It was something about reporting all ml posts as a rule 1 violation… I guess that could be considered inciting unrest against the CCP and Mother Russia.
Oof. That is a lot to take in. Thank you for this; it all makes sense now.
I mean, my example is over-simplified and slightly exaggerated (though not by much), and it just got old FAST. No idea if it’s still like that or if they’ve toned down as an instance, but I’ve been happy without them, so not gonna rock that particular boat.
Here’s a sub that has fun watching the Tankie Triad.
