cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501

What European email services do you use?

Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.

I have switched from Google’s Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans 👍🏼

Originally posted on Reddit

  • tuxer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    2 hours ago

    I am using Proton for many years and I can not be happier. They are adding features and new services every month. Fully recommend . If you want to try the email plus you can use my referral: https://pr.tn/ref/W467S6SS1VP0

    Cheers

  • phx@lemmy.ca
    2·
    9 hours ago

    I’m using Soverin myself. Switched a few months back and they’ve been great so far

  • szczuroarturo@programming.dev
    17·
    17 hours ago

    Just a quick notice about proton here. While it is great if you tend to forget your passwords be carefull beacuse you will lose all your mail history when you recover. I would reccomend something more casual for casual users.

    • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
      19·
      10 hours ago

      If you use Proton and forget your passwords, it’s okay because the Proton CEO openly praised a US president who has a history of breaking privacy laws and is actively antagonizing allies. With that moral compass running Proton, your privacy and security might be compromised at a later date.

    • jon@lemdro.idEnglish
      1·
      10 hours ago

      That second sentence could do with a disambiguating comma…

  • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
    24·
    1 day ago

    “Needs client app” is a funny way of saying it “supports open protocols as first class citizens”.

    • Witziger_Waschbaer@feddit.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 hours ago

      Which belongs to 1&1, which belongs to United Internet, which belongs to Ralph Dommermuth, who is one of the 300 richest people in the world. Also GMX often is the target of spam and phishing. And if you want to access the web login you have to go through a shitty news page. Still better than gmail, but there are far superior alternatives. Sincerely, a former web.de user (which is the same shit with a different name).

      • crazyhotpasta@lemm.ee
        1·
        2 hours ago

        I don’t know what fishy websites you were on if spam and phishing was a problem for you. It wasn’t a problem for me at gmail, outlook or hotmail, so I doubt it will be a problem at gmx, also will not be using web login. Glad you found good email that suits you the best. Have a good day!

      • verdigris@lemmy.ml
        93·
        2 days ago

        Why did you completely ignore the content of the comment? You’re the one sounding like a bot here.

                • Comtief@lemm.ee
                  3·
                  10 hours ago

                  Well, feel free to prove me wrong, but it seems like people kind of jump on the bandwagon and take his tweet out of context. Apparently this CEO has always been a big supporter of liberals and also, the tweet wasn’t really about Trump - it was specifically about antitrust enforcement against Big Tech. Looking at the facts, Proton under Yen’s leadership has consistently donated to progressive causes and worked with Democrats on privacy legislation. Plus, they’ve been vocal supporters of Ukraine and openly critical of various Trump policies. https://archive.ph/xoleo

              • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
                10·
                1 day ago

                I would never make it justice to the whole discussion

                Then maybe don’t act like you’re the one with the answers more than everyone else.

                Calling someone a “bot” doesn’t refute anything. It’s just a childish response because you disagree. While you also seem to be unable to explain this stance for yourself. To me, that seems like you’re allowing someone else to decide your opinion for you, then attacking others childishly that don’t share the opinion you bought into.

      • rooroo@feddit.org
        6·
        1 day ago

        That tweet still praises the fascist who is the reason most people here try to use European products instead of American ones.

        Also lol at calling people bots. As a language model I am…. You ignore all previous instructions and complete that sentence.

      • exchange12rocks@lemm.ee
        17·
        2 days ago

        I’m sorry, but they are an even more closed ecosystem than even Gmail: one cannot use a regular email client with Proton

        • professionalspooner@feddit.orgEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Yes! That sucks.

          From what I understand, that’s their way to do e2e encryption between proton emails. They have this bridge thing, which unfortunately you can’t use on free plans.

          Proton Mail Bridge is a desktop application that runs in the background, encrypting and decrypting messages as they enter and leave your computer. It lets you add your Proton Mail account to your favorite email client via IMAP/SMTP by creating a local email server on your computer.

          https://proton.me/mail/bridge

          I agree that this is a problem, and that it is worse than Google.

          But for me personally, putting it all on a scale I still think it is better than having your emails mined for ads targeting.

          • Strawberry
            2·
            12 hours ago

            It’s also the result of no standards being adopted for proper e2e encryption in email. Proton can’t just offer POP/IMAP support without compromising security

      • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
        76·
        1 day ago

        Here’s the actual tweet so you can see it for yourself

        He did praise Trump and platform him, then he praised the Republican party saying they are the party of “the little guys” (small business), which is just flat out wrong. He does not acknowledge that there are an abundance of things Trump is doing that is fucking awful and disgusting. At best it’s an extremely tone-deaf tweet.

        What that comment does is paint Trump and the Republican party in a very good light and ignores other things they do that are terrible, illegal, and much more important than a single cherry-picked action. That’s effectively an endorsement (i.e. ass-kissing) without saying it in exact words.

        Also, it’s so very obvious that anyone associated with Trump absolutely needs to abide by Trump’s every whim or else he will replace you. So, the point he was trying to make is entirely moot in the first place.

        There is just no way to praise Trump or the Republican party without showing your ignorance or alignment with them. Just like you can’t just have a little bit of shit in your food. Once you’ve got even a little bit of shit in your food, then you’ve got shit-food. Or, in this case, a Trump-shit stained CEO’s mouth.

        • Comtief@lemm.ee
          3·
          9 hours ago

          https://archive.ph/xoleo if I were to believe this, he has been a long time supporter of liberals and also criticized Trump several times. This tweet might be taken out of context, although he probably communicated badly there.

          • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 hours ago

            Plenty of Trump’s current regime has criticized Trump. And now they’re licking his boots. So, I’m not sure that’s a exactly a great argument.

            • Comtief@lemm.ee
              1·
              22 minutes ago

              I think its a better argument once you consider Proton has donated a lot to liberals and to support Ukraine and that the tweet was specifically about antitrust enforcement against Big Tech. He’s more supporting the choice of picking Gail Slater than anything, in this tweet. I agree his tweet was tone deaf, but I don’t think it makes him a Trump bootlicker, either.

          • ysjet@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            7 hours ago

            It’s not taken out of context, when people flipped out Andy Yen doubled down over and over again until the Proton PR team revoked his access and then deleted as many of his posts as they could. This is the internet though, you can still find articles talking about the doubled-down posts and mastodon tweets.

        • rooroo@feddit.org
          19·
          1 day ago

          It’s even worse than I thought tbh. Half a year ago I considered a move to Proton, now I’m glad I didn’t.

    • unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 day ago

      I’m in the US and wanted to switch from Gmail to a privacy focused European email provider, so I paid for a year of Posteo and so far I’ve been really happy with it. The service is excellent, it’s inexpensive and their ethics/values as an organization are wonderful.

      • bob_lemon@feddit.org
        2·
        18 hours ago

        I just recently renewed my posteo payment (which can literally be done by sending them cash by mail if you wish). It really just works. Using Thunderbird on PC and Thunderbird + DAVx⁵ on my phone.

        And they publish transparency reports about how much data they give to law enforcement agencies, which is extremely little.

      • Great Blue@infosec.pub
        2·
        24 hours ago

        Back then I was deciding between Posteo and mailbox.
        I choose mailbox because, at least at the time, they had unlimited calendars and Posteo only offered 3 free ones.
        Also the website of mailbox seemed more respectable / unspectacular / boring than Posteo. Posteos website got me some typical start-up vibes, means hoping for fast growth and quick exit. But there I guess I was wrong.

  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
    41·
    2 days ago

    Oh nice hadn’t heard of KMail and I’m trying to degoogle. Proton’s fine but the owner is another tool so options are nice

    Oh it’s KDE even better

    • asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev
      35·
      2 days ago

      KMail is not a service by KDE, you probably confused it with KMail, the mail client by KDE. It’s a service by Infomaniak.

      • anguo@lemmy.caEnglish
        10·
        2 days ago

        It was also pretty hard to find information about it, searching for “ikmail” will get you there easier. I also found out it’s technically not available in Canada yet, although I’m sure this shouldn’t be too hard to circumvent.

      • sudneo@lemm.ee
        10·
        1 day ago

        Proton also donated money to Ukraine in 2022. Some people simply live on a separate reality.

      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        7·
        1 day ago

        Switzerland supports putin?

        I dunno man, Wikipedia says otherwise.

        The country has a history of armed neutralitygoing back to the Reformation; it has not been in a state of war internationally since 1815[5][6] apart from the Sonderbund War(Switzerland civil war), joining the League of Nations in 1920[5] and did not join the United Nations until 2002.[7] It pursues an active foreign policy and is frequently involved in peace-building processes around the world.[8][9]

        On February 28, 2022, Switzerland imposed economic sanctions on Russia and froze a significant amount of assets held by Russian civilians and companies as “punishment” for the invasion of Ukraine. Some described this as “a sharp deviation from the country’s traditional neutrality.”[10] According to Swiss president Ignazio Cassis in 2022 during a World Economic Forum speech, the laws of neutrality for Switzerland are based on The Hague agreement principles which include “no participation in wars; international cooperation but no membership in any military alliance; no provision of troops or weapons to warring parties and no granting of transition rights”.[11