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This dumbass argument again.
You need an opposition party then. If you keep blaming the voters you are going to keep digging your own grave. In America you have only two parties and legit no opposition party. In this way guess what, FASCISM always wins.
Also Please honestly explain to me, how in the fuck is fascism lite ever going to beat fascism?
“What are you going to do vote for the facists?”
–stays home
“Wait…”
(In all seriousness, the two party system killed us. The first thing we should have could have fixed was ranked choice voting but they would never mandate that because it would break their hold. Also despite my joke above I did vote but I’m not going to get pissy with someone that didn’t the problem is the party not the voter. Unless they voter actively voted red.)
Oh this again? Democratic Party: has our Neo liberalism, refusal to enact progressive policy, and backing of a genocide alienated progressive voters? Disenfranchised voter: damn it we told you a thousand times yes! Democratic Party: No it’s the voters who are wrong.
Hey, hey, marketing yourself as Fascism Lite: Low Sodium as opposed to Fascism Original Recipe has to work at some point, right?
Maybe Democrats could have tried doing literally anything that people wanted
“Wow you wanted the Democrats to do popular polices? You must be a Republican!”
Everyone wants something. At least they’re getting it now right?
¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
When it was the day of the general election and we were guaranteed to either get mainstream Democrat or Trump 2.0: The Revenge Tour, I could not morally justify any vote that didn’t minimize the chances of Trump winning.
But in the present day, and in the time leading up to the election, god damn the Democrats feel so worthless. Their party probably needs to be completely rebuilt even before the much much worse Republican party. You can’t have the Nice Conservative Party vs the Mean Conservative Party when the latter has gone off the deep end.
But also in the present day, it may already be too late. So keep on writing stern letters, insider trading, and raking in the fundraising while your desperate constituents still have some money and willingness to do something!
Yes thank you, this is the sane response. Sitting here in my neighbouring nation wondering if we’ll be facing invasion in the next year or two, I have no sympathy for people who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for harm reduction. I just can’t understand why so many Americans are too blind to understand that you can have harm reduction, AND oppose the democrats.
Very true. I think we need to do our own version of the ratchet effect. In places that are solidly red we need to vote blue to lighten them up a bit. In places that are blue we need to start doing grass roots efforts to winning local offices and state reps that do represent our issues.
At this point I think it’s all a little moot, I’ll be genuinely surprised if the US ever has a proper democratic election again.
Yes, stop thinking and just follow the herd! That’s surely the solution! \s
Thankfully I live in a state where my vote doesn’t matter at all. jfc.
How many years can the libs keep this up?
Enjoy the turbo-genocide ethnic cleansing!
I don’t enjoy it at all. Your glee is disgusting.
Liberals love the bloodshed because they can blame it on the voters, and not that both parties love killing people.
These folks were pissed as all hell about a ceasefire.
How many years can the libs keep this up?
Until the collapse of society. (Three)
ITT:
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cake or death?
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vanilla cake? Are you a moron?
- some dude who chose not cake
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I’m still waiting for whatever the hell is supposed to happen after electoral politics has failed us, because it has.
I was told by people pushing for people to not bother voting in 2024 that voting was meaningless and that Trump would be no different than Harris. People told me that the solidarity of grassroots organization was the only way to see any real change, and that we had to reject the DNC at all costs. Well, we rejected it. What now?
PS: I don’t even mean this sarcastically or to win internet points – that are even more meaningless than on reddit – on this site. I’m actually asking, what are we doing now that this happened?
If you’re genuinely asking some basic actions for a broad and general audience looking for political engagement:
A lot of states have initiatives and referendums citizens can bring to a vote in elections. There may be a grassroots organization working on an issue you may align with. (Especially vote reform groups looking to introduce alternatives to how we elect our government.)
Following this: Don’t be a stranger to your local government. At least learn who they are if you don’t. Your state reps and senators, your federal rep and senators, your kids’ school superintendent, the elected sheriff. Vote in the primaries, the odd years, the midterms, the big presidential tickets. And this isn’t ‘just vote’ advice. I mean vote for politicians pushing policies you agree with, regardless of party or incumbency. Don’t be afraid to third party in a primary (if you can).
Join community groups and socialize in meatspace. There may be community centers and libraries around you with things to engage with. As much as online spaces can help people feel connected or a shared or safe place, the politics and governance is maintained on the meatspace level of your neighbors. Your district is likely gerrymandered but it’s worth finding out where you stand in the whole tapestry of American governance. (This one can be a huge hurdle, and I understand. Most of my community are military so progressives get like 200 votes per 10,000 pure military industrial zionism. I barely amount to this advice myself, FWIW.)
Join community groups and socialize in meatspace.
This is probably what I’m most interested in, but I find it to be a drag to even locate. I’ve gone to meetup groups and even helped organize a meetup group before but everything about them seemed pretty worthless. It could just be my particular circumstances or my particular location, but it seems like it’s difficult to find any regular community group, and then any – even sporadic – activity outside of work mixers, happy hours, ticketed events, and concerts.
At one point I took a look around the area for mutual aid groups and found only one – and this was mid-pandemic when they were getting a lot of attention and hype – and it didn’t even appear to be active anymore. I think the web link I got was dead or something.
My working theory of why this country is so far off the rails is multifaceted, but one big aspect is that meatspace is deader than myspace.
It certainly can be. And I share the sentiment as I have found it hard myself. I now have a family and kids so that takes up all my time but that in and of itself plugs me into a lot of interactions that I otherwise would have avoided.
So much of our society is built around childrearing though so I am pretty railroaded into following my own advice. But when I was younger I sought out events at local hobby shops: things like open D&D groups, card game tournaments, etc. I highly recommend it, if that’s your thing at all (and your mileage may vary significantly.) But it doesn’t always have to be direct political action to connect with members of your community.
Their job is literally to get elected…
What done is done. Democratic voters PUT TRUMP BACK IN OFFICE to send a message. If the party leaders don’t get the message, then 4 years of Trump were all for not.
They won’t get the message, and it won’t matter now. Americans voted for their nation to formalize its oligarchy. From the current trajectory, I wouldn’t hold my breath on this playing out in any accelerationist’s favour either.
This is a problem with decision hierarchies. Usual election - if both parties have policies I can’t support, then I vote for 3rd party knowing it’s a protest vote.
HOWEVER : if the consequences of the election mean that a dictator and malignantly evil person (and their cronies) may get into power then the FIRST consideration MUST be that he doesn’t get into power. So you vote for the most likely way that the calamity can be stopped.
It’s shit, believe me, I know, but them’s the breaks. The problem has been that people have treated this as ‘election as usual’. The fact that sane people are still arguing over this is concerning.
!!A malignantly evil dictator has overtaken your government and is overtaking your country. You need to work together with the other sane people in order to stop this calamity.!!
But… Eggs!
This is definitely a liberal take. I don’t agree with those who didn’t vote for Kamala, but removing responsibility from people running her campaign when there are obvious glaring issues such as retracting all populist messaging and appealing to non-existent right wingers voting against Trump was a real stinker to say the least. It’s okay to blame politicians who didn’t win for not winning.
God, this is the take I want to see. I’ll take criticism of my voting habits, but it should be proportional to my power. Democrats have more culpability.
You got a fascist elected. Hope your moral purity was worth it
proportional to my power
This is the thing that always kills me. My vote was 100% worthless. Completely performative, just throwing paper to the wind. My state was one of the few that actually went for Harris, my state governor is one of the few actually fighting against Trump, my city has so far done an excellent job fighting back against him, and none of the races were even really close. I’m sure there are many other people, in the other firm blue states just like mine, who couldn’t stomach voting for genocide when they know their vote is just a gesture.
Yep, I live in California. Local ballots are more important for my state than anything federal level, and I still voted for Harris.
I live in the worst part of California where its rural so Republicans win 60% of the vote, and state-wide Democrats win 60% of the vote. Props and city level are the only places I have a meaningful change, especially since my “city” has 5000 people.
So if I vote aginast the Republicans running for the House, my one vote didn’t change much there as the redneck hillbillies who think California is communist are a voting bloc that can’t be swayed, and they never need ot worry about re-election. I still vote for the Democrat, but last elections had two Republicans for the seat, one was backed by Trump, one was backed by Trump’s aids and cabinet officials.
100%
Non-contributing rage bait. The Democrats were wrong. The Democrats still are wrong. And the Democratic presidential candidate was infinitely better than her opposition.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
“If they dislike my party, they must support the other party, nothing else exists, right?”
“If you dislike pancakes that must mean you LOOOOVE waffles right?”
No bitch thats a brand new sentence wtf is you talking about.
In a two party system, especially when there’s no clear “I don’t like either” option then yes, nothing else exists. When you don’t vote you’re not saying “I don’t like either party” you’re saying “I don’t care which party wins”. If you don’t care which party wins then you’re in support of both parties.
And it’s telling that so many people didn’t care whether the dictator or Democrats won, isn’t it? If you’re making the case between yourself and a megalomaniac, and the majority of Americans shrug and go about their day, what the hell are you doing wrong?
Yes but in discussing politics we are not relegated to the same limitations we have in voting. Thus there is no contradiction between voting down-ballot Democrat, then going home and tweeting “I hate Dick Cheney and the Democrats.”
OP makes a clownish commentary on this. If someone did not vote blue who probably should have, shame on them, but the Democrats are still wrong.
Yes, political discussions are not as limited in options as voting and there absolutely should be a political discussion about the Democratic party. They suck, have sucked and will continue to suck, unless they change.
And I agree that there’s no contradiction. I’d even go as far as to say there was no contradiction in voting for Harris and then tweeting “the democratic candidate sucks”, because you have to vote for someone and Trump (clearly) was the worse option.
My point was rather that if you dislike a party and you don’t vote for them then you are in support of the other party, even if you don’t vote at all. The nuances get kicked out when it comes to voting.
ok fair but not relevant to my own point post it somewhere relevant next time if you want me to support lol
Ever heard of third parties? I’ve voted Green Party since I could vote. There is the Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional, and several other parties.
Yeah, they’re the non-vote parties. FPTP voting always devolves down to 2 parties, see Duverger’s Law. Even if by some miracle a 3rd party wins (and continues winning) they will eventually kick one of the previous 2 parties out and take their place as the new party in the 2 party system. In practice if my memory doesn’t fail me voting 3rd party hasn’t mattered for over a century because the 2 main parties are so entrenched, so voting for 3rd party is more or less throwing away your vote.
Yeah that is the level of self awareness that created this bullshit. Fuck the Democrats. To be clear I voted for Harris but t Still think the Democrats suck
You guys deserve trump.
Like “the democrats weren’t cool and sexy enough, and they didn’t serenade me long enough, they didn’t even have my favorite ice cream flavor”.
This thread is full of it.
There’s no campaign bad enough to justify electing the injecting bleach criminal.
They just should have needed to come out, point at trump and say “if you don’t vote for me you’ll get him”, turn 180 and go to sleep. And should have won like 80-20.
Last night the Democrats official response the Donald Trump’s speech was to praise Ronald Reagan. It somehow here you stand today defending them. Unbelievable
They could have taken an accordion and played a polka while making donkey noises for all I care. When the alternative is a literal criminal that is so dumb he thought planes are invisible, it shouldn’t be about what democrats are doing.
- Cake or death?
- Well… what flavor is the cake? Vanilla? So boring!
You realize the Democrats I’m talking about were elected right? We voted for them. Now they can’t be bothered to do anything? We should just be happy they exist? They should just settle in as the loyal opposition? That’s all I can expect from my representative? What are they good for?
You fucking neoliberals love to pretend like y’all are so against what Donald Trump’s doing. Y’all love this. He’s doing all the things you wish you could do and y’all don’t have to get your hands dirty. Eroding of the middle class, enslaving of the workers, destruction of the regulatory state, and deregulation across the board. Neoliberal wet dream. This is what y’all have been gunning for for 40 years. Not even hiding it anymore. Going on national television as a group and lauding your hero Ronald Reagan.
I’m far, far left of anything the democrats stand for. Universal healthcare, free education, strong unions, respect of minorities, gay marriage, wealth tax, legalized recreational drugs, green energy, and a few others.
So spot on with your analysis, congratulations.
Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
Just like they would have done nothing when Trumpists did a violent coup if the voting results were different.
Liberals only differ from fascists in degree, not the kind of ideology they follow.
Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
“But maybe next DNC chair you’ll get a progressive! Vote for us and we’ll give you what you want next time.”
don’t vote and you never have to vote again.
Literally voted for Harris, ya goober.
Degree of minorities murdered matters.
I voted for those assholes up and down. They still suck.
