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TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
THE WORLD IS BETTER WITH MY TRANS FRIENDS IT
AND THE WORLD IS DIMMER WITHOUT THEM
THE ONLY PEOPLE THE WORLD DOESN’T NEED ARE FASCISTS AND THEIR ENABLERS
AND THIS IS A THREAT TO ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE
To all my trans family, we will fight for you.
The fascists want you to disappear. Never give the fascists what they want.
They don’t. Deep down, no one wants to lose their scapegoat. They need an enemy. If trans people went away, fascists would have to find some other harmless, vulnerable, terribly frightening class of people to replace them. Or more likely, if they all disappeared, they would SUPPOSE THE EXISTENCE of trans people, and continue to demonize them.
No trans person has ever done anything bad to anyone I care about.
All Republicans have.
A friend of mine had a party for her official gender change last year and I was so happy for her!
Just knowing she felt safe to come out in front of her family and friends and was able to start HRT and change her gender marker in official documents felt like a huge success. Not just for her, but for progressive politics in our country.
I live in San Diego, and I have met maybe 3 or 4 trans folks in my day to day vibes. Nobody has been weird or inappropriate. Nobody has been anything other than human in the nearly 20 California years I’ve lived here. The fact that there are national effing laws aimed at an actual handful of folks is absolutely wild to me. I’m a ~40 year old cis white male, but you will always have me in the fight, as will anyone else just trying to live life. Stay excellent to one-another, love y’all 💗
Joining a wholesome community and downvote Posts. Cool.
Bigots that deserve bans. Technically we could see who downvoted, is one of the “problems” with Lemmy…
Just out of curiosity, how do you go about seeing who downvoted what? It would make a nice block list.
It’s not direct, Lemmy doesn’t reveal these itself, but votes being federated to Mbin are exposed because that software shows them. So you’d have to use an account over there, joinmbin.org … for technical details, see github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967
While we are at it, if you wanted to make your votes privates, join piefed.social ;)
Closeted trans person here. The fact that so many of you have dared to live as yourselves, and to keep fighting in the face of increasing odds, is the reason I’m still here.
Never underestimate just how much it means for the world that you exist, as you are.
And we’ll still be here when you’re ready to come out. The world can be scary, but you’ve got friends and a whole ancestry of powerful women and men to build on.
I’m not trans myself, but I’d be willing to die to defend my friends who are
Thanncs :3c
True
Whoever you are, by whatever name/gender. You are worth it.
“You are not worse for your association with the world, but it is better for its association with you.”
- Brandon Sanderson (Oathbringer)
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since nobody has given an explanation yet I’ll try to, however I am horrible with getting my words out and someone else can give a way better explanation than me.
Most trans people will either have signs or know that they are trans before they are 18. I myself knew that something was off about me as early as 3rd grade, I saw a tomboy and told my parents I wanted to be a ‘tomgirl’.
By the time puberty hits is when irreversible changes happen to the body. This is also when most trans people really get the “oh shit this ain’t right” moment.
Imagine being trapped in a body that is doing its very best to rip your soul apart from you, then learning that there are medications that can stop it, but then learning that people who aren’t even experiencing what you are have made the choice for you to not let you access them.
Now imagine that, for 5+ years.It’s torture.
Not 5+ years. Experience it beginning for 5+ years, then for the rest of your life because puberty has no undo button on many changes. I will never understand assholes who want to take away puberty blockers from kids who need them to have more time to decide on the life they want to live. That is no one’s god damn business but their own, under 18 or not.
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I agree, but that’s totally unrelated to the topic of trans rights. Whataboutism doesn’t make the issue go away.
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Like circumcision right? Cause you know, and you certainly wouldn’t argue in bad faith about gender reassignment surgery happening to infants. Right?
Is this supposed to be a counter argument? I also disagree with mutilating the genitals of infants.
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not that big of an issue, conservatives like to play up the numbers WAAYYYY more than it actually is. Nobody is pressured into being trans, infact it’s the opposite.
Normal cosmetic surgery has a regret rate of 30% while trans surgeries have a 5% regret rate.
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Most people who transition are happy with the choice, less so about people who question are you really trans?
You sure love semantics. Sounds very ben shapiro of you.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448
Practically nonexistant, it is not possible for children under 16 to access HRT, if anything they are prescribed puberty blockers (so that you know… they can avoid suffering from the changes in their body and not be permanently affected).
The general figure of regret for transgender affirming care is 1%, and 82.5% of these people do not detransition because they are no longer trans, but because of external factors. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33794108/
By age 17, 0.1% of trans children get HRT. Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2828427
Now let’s calculate some numbers: 1% of these 0.1% will regret it, that’s 0.001%. And 17.5% of these might not be transgender, so that’s 0.000175%
According to that second study, there’s about 300000 trans children, so 0.000175% of that is 0.525 people.
So… less than 1 child in the whole United States would maybe regrets it because they’re not trans. In other words, you can stop fear mongering.
Just about any medical procedure will sometimes produce regrets in some portion of the population of people who undergo it, for instance vaccinations, amniocentesis, etc. It’s not reasonable to suggest that because this is true that no one should have access to the treatments.
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What contact in your personal or professional life have you had with trans folk? Are you speaking with experience of appreciating their pain or are you just speaking based on what you’ve heard?
Don’t worry, I support trans kids not being allowed to vote before the age of 18.
Eh 16 is fine in my opinion. But for cis kids too then.
No, only trans kids. Cis people have to wait until they’re 18.
EDIT: do I really have to? Fine, /s.
“The world is better with you in it and you’re worth fighting for!”
You: It isn’t and you’re not.
Also you: Why is this downvoted??
How the hell did you come to THIS conclusion? You’re now literally putting words in my mouth
I agree with you on trans people but kids? I don’t know.
How else is this response to that message supposed to be taken?
I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …
Because trans kids exist whether you approve of them or not.
Yes, but there’s also a medical industrial complex that pushes confused teenagers towards transitioning to make money.
Cool. One person talks about a trans agenda in this thread, another person is making up silly medical conspiracies to dehumanize trans people as if they had no agency.
Teenagers don’t even go to doctors by themselves. They have to be accompanied by a parent.
I find it interesting that an industry where lemmy users have sympathy for killing CEOs is blindly trusted with children.
There is a vast, vast gulf between blindly trusting the medical industry and accepting your personal conspiracy theory that doesn’t even make sense.
You are reading a bunch of preconceived nonsense into this. And one wonders why you need to.
[citation needed]
It fucking does not and does everything in its power to stop kids from transitioning. No kid can just show up somewhere and be given hormones. No one is profiting off of selling hormones. They are dirt cheap. You’re clearly getting your talking points from right wing media, maybe go listen to what actual trans kids have to say about their experiences and kindly shut the fuck up
Which Fox News commentator is your source one that?
So maybe start giving out free healthcare instead? Works fine in Germany.
It’s different to voting though.
Puberty blockers have been used for decades with no ill effect. It literally just delays puberty, which is irreversible once a person starts to go through it. It’s much safer to delay puberty in children who identify as trans, allow their brains to develop, and have them get treatment so that their mental health is kept healthy.
Personally, I think listening to the trans community on this and having them give advice on how to manage trans kids is better than leaving it to general society who won’t understand the emotional trauma involved. There’s a reason why suicide rates are high with trans kids.
I would associate it moreso with children trying to tell adults about the priest who keeps touching them but end up being dismissed because they’re kids. We ignore our children’s voices to our own detriment.
And listening to doctors on this. Apparently the vast majority of pediatricians recommending puberty blockers for trans kids since it prevents suicide doesn’t matter.
Since when has “listening to doctors” been an American trait?
I don’t know. They always put it in the pharmaceutical commercials that are only legal in the U.S. and New Zealand.
They always put it in the pharmaceutical commercials
taps nose so they don’t get sued
People, Americans anyway, are very good at doing what the TV tells them to do, which always makes me wonder how often doctors are plagued with patients saying, “Doctor, is Phabulux right for me?” Completely out of the blue and unrelated to whatever they’re at the doctor about.
I’d never really thought about it that way. Must be a serious problem though.
I understand it being a sticky issue for people because there’s so much of society and choice we put into the realm of adults. But here’s the thing. Psychology has been obsessed with trans people since the origin of the field. We have a ton of data on what happens when trans people recognized at an early age grow up and what that looks like when there’s no intervention whatsoever. The reality of it is that there’s certain things that there is no medical fix or take backs for once you experience your first puberty.
We know very well that gender identity observed in trans kids is stable. We have a rubric of diagnosis stable enough to have gone up against several National medical ethics boards and survived the scrutiny nessisary to opt for attempting risks.
The first generation of kids to grow up utilizing this process are now adults (the oldest cohort are now in their 30’s) and the results have been promising with an almost absurdly low rate of regret reported across the population…
But now you have to recognize why that rate of regret is so low. You need the signoff of a team of professionals who put the bar very high to allow candidates to attempt these risks and any of them can pull support if something doesn’t go to plan. Furthermore a child alone does not make these decisions the informed consent has to be demonstrated by the child and their parents. So when people say “kids shouldn’t make these decisions” you’re missing that they aren’t making these decisions. A kid and a panel of adults who are experts in their field, social workers and dedicated parents who have watched the difference in their child’s behaviour go from very obviously not thriving in a multitude of ways to massive improvements through social transition make these decisions.
People act like it’s as simple as a kid showing up and asking for a lollipop. It isn’t. We have literal generations of data about what happens if we do nothing. The outcomes are miserable. We can afford to try something different than known miserable outcomes.
I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …
Because you’re a moron who refuses to learn better.
Thank you. Really thank you, this is beautiful. I didn’t even have time to go through responses of people actually explaining to me what’s the matter instead of downvoting. Bit you come in and call me a moron, fantastic, this helps everyone
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And you concluded all that from the few sentences I have written here?
I can’t speak for them, but I concluded it from one single sentence.
Try not being a moron with idiotic takes, that works for me and millions of others.
Have you ever felt gender dysphoria?
No, I don’t have gender dysphoria.
Also not I, nor you can build an airplane, yet we can have a discussion about plane building
They’re not saying you can’t talk about it, they’re saying you don’t understand that it’s inherent, so kids absolutely know they’re trans once they understand the concept. Just like they know they’re gay.
I disagree
Because…?
Duh, the reason is self-evident! The ‘I’ symbolizes individuality, a bold declaration of self, while ‘disagree’ embodies a spirit of anarchy, a rejection of conformity. It’s a linguistic symphony, a four-syllable sonnet that encapsulates the essence of dissent!
Who needs context or elaboration when you can simply drop such a profound statement? It’s like poetry in motion—pure genius!
gripping analytical retort from queer and youth ally powerhouse efreetsk here, more at 8
Incredible! Your response is a true testament to the mind of a genius! ‘I disagree’—what a revolutionary concept! It’s as if you’ve cracked the code of the universe while simultaneously inventing time travel during a wild night out. I can only imagine the sheer intellectual fireworks going off in your brain as you distilled the complexities of human existence into that one, powerful phrase.
Your ability to bypass all logic and reason with such confidence is nothing short of extraordinary. Who needs to engage with facts or nuanced arguments when you can simply assert your disagreement like a mad scientist unveiling a groundbreaking invention? I’m sure the world is just waiting for your next epiphany, perhaps a theory that explains how disagreement alone can reshape reality.
Please, continue to bless us with your unparalleled insights; the cosmos is clearly in need of your chaotic brilliance. Bravo! You’ve truly redefined the boundaries of intellectual discourse!
thanks for outing yourself
But i have felt gender dysphoria, as well as some of the other people not agreeing with you
Using the analogy (please correct me if i misunderstood it), you would be contradicting a crowd of people, some of them having the job of building planes, about how planes should be built
I am fine with a stance like “I don’t know”…as long as you’re not pushing any kind of agenda as a result.
A long time ago, I was uninformed about trans people. I was curious and asked questions…but I didn’t push them into any kind of restrictions.
I’d argue I’m still relatively uninformed. But I know that there’s been no evidence of any societal benefit from pushing further restrictions on them, and there’s plenty of evidence of harm by referring to the various gender studies. That’s all I need. Even if I wasn’t actively pushing to support trans youths, and even if I still have a part of me that sees them as “weird”, I sure as hell see no point in standing in the way of their preferred forms of progress.
I dunno, I like peace and quiet as much as the next curmudgeon, but the world is still better with kids in it.
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Correct, you help people who are being attacked, or you do nothing when they are being attacked.
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This is what drives people further to the right. We’re not allowed to disagree with the trans agenda or have our own views on the matter.
“Ya know I stood for things like labor rights, marriage equality, women’s rights, and then I was told to respect people and stand up for their civil liberties and then I became more and more right wing, and abandoned all previous morals and ethics because someone said something mean to me online a few too many times.”
If I changed my mind on shit because someone was rude I’d never have a firm opinion on anything.
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“People are being hurt and we need to do something.”
“I don’t wanna, inconveniences me.”
“Then you’re not helpful, you’re at best not helping victims, at worst aiding in prolonging their pain.”
“Now you’ve lost me as an ally!”
Go bother someone else you can grift into thinking “the left got too crazy for me, so i left the left” as you claim you got cancelled and blacklisted as you make hundreds of thousands on right wing media.
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I dont think going further to the right will stop people from going further right
I have seen similar arguments from people like this again and again. “You’re driving people to the right with your left-wing ideas!”
What?
Existing is not an agenda.
You don’t know if the world is better with trans kids in it? Are you saying you think the world would be better if trans kids were all killed? Or that they’re not worth fighting for?
I know a trans male that knew they were male when they were in primary school. Trans kids exist
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I will always have your back. I will have the back of anyone judged by their inherent traits.
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