Little old lady spends 20 months in prison for blocking a main road and being mad at rich people.
President of the United States, insurrectionist, creep, man who suggested he’d got a Nazi to hack the elections, certified felon, spends ZERO months in prison and gets to have a party.
This is why I smoke weed.
Everyone involved in her arrest and detainment is a criminal.
The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
They kind of have a point about blocking roads being ineffective, but for entirely the wrong reason. Having been stuck in traffic caused by protests blocking streets several times myself, I know that for most of the drivers, it’s utterly indistinguishable from all the other traffic jams. Unless you’re right up front to see what’s causing it, it could very well just be another event at the fairgrounds, or one of the regularly-scheduled crashes.
Put another way, maybe driving is actually a protest against cars? It is pretty damn effective at blocking streets.
Well put. The same dumbfucks who decry the visual pollution of looking at windmills but don’t realize actual smog is the alterntative.
I think the key is who it is disruptive to. Blocking traffic just pisses off the average person. The decision makers don’t care about the average person. You gotta disrupt the decision makers. But you also have to be prepared for them to fight back hard.
We need more Luigis.
our society is rapidly producing them, it seems like there’s an intent to make angrier, disaffected people even.
The average person needs to start caring too. Too many zombies out there.
Sounds great, but you might as well shout at the rain. It isn’t going to happen.
This sort of defeatist take is not helping anyone either.
I’m not defeatest. I just can’t stand focusing on impractical solutions instead of things that can make a difference.
You say it’s impractical and I say it very much is. What now?
Vote for progressive candidates (even if they are dem) in the midterms, and advocate that others do so. That’s the easy thing. Low chance of success, similar effort to claiming everyone else should care about things they don’t.
Next up, run for local office. But don’t campaign, just pay the application fee, put your name in, and send in a write up for the voter guide that says to support the real progressive candidates. Slightly more effort, but slightly more impact.
There are tons of small things you can do. Even donating $5 to a progressive candidate would be more effective than saying people should care.
And these disruptions can be more than just an inconvenience. People can lose their jobs for being late. They can miss medical appointments and procedures.
A non-disruptive protest is masturbation.
A protest is disruption.
That’s why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between “right” and “left,” but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a “center” position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
https://news.gallup.com/vault/246167/protests-seen-harming-civil-rights-movement-60s.aspx
Except many of us who actually care about the cause say this because traffic delays and vandalizing paintings irritate the fuck out of people and set them against the cause of the protest. You can spew more profanity against for being like that if you wish, but it doesn’t change facts.
It’s like finding a way to stage a protest that just makes eggs more expensive. Yay protest! But don’t expect any good to come of it.
Many protests like that in Germany for a few years now. Mostly adolescent people from XR and FFF who tacked their hands to streets in neuralgic locations with superglue. They were one of the most hated groups by normies here and were compared to the 70s terror group RAF by politicians and boulevard media like BILD. Many videos in which good citizens forgot their temper and acted out in violent self justice when they feared to get late to work.
In 2023 the country wide farmer protests started and held the republic captive. Thousands of 5-10 ton tractors drove down the whole country to Berlin. They did a lot of terroristy things like loading huge manure dumps and logs in the midst of highways and their exits, controlling the IDs of drivers to only let essential staff through, putting liable anti-constitutional placards on their tractors, purposefully obstructing traffic in the cities and some of them from east-germany wanted to storm the parliament. People died, car accidents happened, ambulances and doctors were to late for operations, huge loads of GHGs were emitted and streets were destroyed.
All this because of the traffic light coalition wanted to cut subsidies for agrar fuels which was reverted pretty fast. Did the farmers stop then? Nope of course not. Went on for a few months. Those poor farmers couldn’t afford to live without the precious subsidies but could afford to blow heaps of fuel and not working on their farms. A young farmer tried to prove to the public that they were essentially poor by showing his tax documents on the german finance subreddit. It didn’t went well because he was rich. He deleted his post.
Now from the sentiment on social media you could get the impression that a lot of the normies who wanted to have the “Klimakleber” (climate gluers) jailed or worse, cheered for the poor hard working farmers even when the protest really went violent. I live rurally and boy let me tell you how those poor farmers have plastered their barns and houses with solar panels because of the politics of the greens and the subsidies from the EU.
“Give me convenience or give me death”
If you think that food and transportation are items of convenience, you must live a privileged life indeed.
Yes I would like there to continue to be enough food grown on the land we are currently using to feed everyone. It would be more than inconvenient if the cropland turned to desert for sure.
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This Kafka-esque bullshit is all intentional to scare other protesters.
Some time ago a politician in my country announced they would start treating the people who protested at highways harsher. She said “people think these people are just protestors, but they’re criminals”* and that they were “damaging the rule of law”*.
* Translated
Earlier on Tuesday, the College for Human Rights ruled that the right to demonstrate is “under serious pressure” due to the arrests of activists. They had called for the blockade of the important thoroughfare.
Yesilgöz does not respond to this criticism. She says that the Ministry of Justice and Security will look into it together with the Ministry of the Interior. The ministry is already looking into the right to demonstrate, about which reports have been published *2.
/* 2 They’re currently looking into methods to restrict the right to demonstrate.
It’s honestly really worrying how people just accept and even approve of these actions. It’s not just because people are being inconvenienced, almost everyone I spoke to never noticed it themselves and that’s honestly the scary part.
There are states in America where it’s legal to run over protestors.
They say it’s only if the driver feels threaten but already had examples of drivers getting away after either driving though people leaving or going out of their way to drive into the protests so it looks like they’re just trying to get away from the protestors as they run them over
It was surreal to read about talk of extremism, social disruption and the calls for corporal punishment (by police), long jail sentences and more, all for a 5-10 minute delay caused by the A12 blockade, when the day after I was helping out at the Egmond Half Marathon there was real disruption, where people really couldn’t go places with their cars… not to mention events like the Dam tot Damloop or Amsterdam Marathon that effectively put parts of our capital city on lockdown. No calls for water cannons there.
People might say “Those are not the same!” and that’s true - sport events are not a constitutional right.
Or when EU farmers transformed Brussels into a warzone [1] or caused havoc and many (also fatal) accidents in Germany [2] and France [3]?
“That’s different. One are terrorists and the others are fighting for you to still have food on your table”.
Ok. Got it. I’ll do my patriotic duty and won’t buy any greenhouse produced veggies from the Netherlands anymore and start drinking German milk again.
[1] AP article about farmer protests in Brussels
People might say “Those are not the same!” and that’s true - sport events are not a constitutional right.
Hehe, I grinnikked
If she had just attacked some police officer during Jan 6. she would have been free.
Instead she disrespects Big Oil that’s upholding the American core values.
/S
Guardian is british, so she should have dumped sewage or murdered a trans woman if she wanted to go free.
She’s British and this happened in GB
Ups I missed that.
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was sentenced to 20 months in prison for her participation in a climate protest on the M25 in 2022
This woman is one of the people that made me late to school in 2022. This woman directly inconvenienced my life and the lives of many other people who had much more dire consequences.
Absolutely 0 sympathy. Fuck around, find out
I don’t know what it is about the British Isles but they produce some of the most bat shit insane takes I’ve ever read. “This person made me late to school one time, so she should spend an extra month in prison.” Like that is the most lead micromoles per litre of blood I’ve seen written in text.
Yea she should
I am mildly inconvenicenced for a short term, I demand to restrict basic freedoms and go for the highest sentence!
God help I even change my life a little to protect the life of literally billions of people.
Yes. I am self centred. I demand basic rights to freedom be restricted, because these people did the same to thousands. I’m not going to decide not to go to school because a couple of hippies decided to do a protest
And me not going to school won’t save the lives of billions of people. Such a braindead comment.
You are a dickhead.
Circumcised or uncut?
I don’t suppose it matters. What’s more concerning is that you’re probably unwashed and covered in smegma.
Tbf you clearly need more schooling to learn the effective use of protest throughout history, and how those rights have been fought for, and how they’re being eroded in real time whilst utter morons like you enable it through rhetoric.
Someone please educate this fucker
I’d rather be educated by my teachers than lemmy users Thank you very much
Kindly ask them about the current prognoses, like the Club of Rome one, the expected number of climate refugees in the next decades, and how well we are on track to hit any climate goal. And then about a protest form that will actually work and stop unprecedented human suffering.
You seem to think that I don’t believe or I’m not scared of climate change. I’m completely supportive of initiatives to prevent the usage of fossil fuels and pollution, however these actions have done nothing but alienate the majority of the public. If you go to the UK and ask nornal people about JSO, they’ll probably have nothing but negative opinions. This form of protest will do nothing to “hit a climate goal”. Vandalising art will just get you booed at, laughed at and thrown in the slammer as you rightfuilly should. These idiots simply create more human suffering as an excuse for stopping human suffering, and I don’t believe in such a cause for a single second of the day. When I’m stuck in traffic for 3 hours, I’m not going to think “wow these protests are going to save the planet!”, I’m going to think “these people are making me late” and that’s all I care about. Sorry.
Thankfully literally no one but you cares what you think, and the protests are intended to affect the finances of those in power so they eventually cave and make better decisions for the planet despite the cost. I’d recommend trying some self reflection before you end up with as many people that hate you as you have downvotes on this thread.
Ask them about the suffragettes then
campaigning for basic rights = punishing people for climate change
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Yanks find out that the UK is more than just Lodnon (colourized)
Trains and buses were also having difficulties because so many people used them instead of cars.
I understand you have a vendetta against cars but you have to think about other things
It’s rich of you to tell others to think about things.
anti_car_poison is a troll so im not really going to see their side of things
Good news, we are on a good track to do jack shit about the climate and also severely cutting into rule of law and right to protest. Hooray.
Luckily, there is nothing you could do to change things, ever. It must be nice to have a clear conscience.
It is one thing I learned during Corona: a lot of people don’t give a shit about erosion of fundamental rights or people dying horribly. But don’t you dare inconvenience them in their god-given right to party on and pretend all is well.
Yep. There’s nothing I can do to change climate change.
It absolutely did
Your stance feels more like a “everyone disliked that” to me.
I want people to hear my valid point of view so I am going to obstruct them from carrying out everyday tasks to see if that inclines them to listen and the publicity will mark us out as reasonable people.
Edit, I undeleted the original comment otherwise unchanged for reference, it was glib but reasonable I think. I believe the woman to be acting in good faith but misled.
Protests only work if they’re disruptive. Otherwise, people just ignore them and move on.
Whenever people act like disruptive protest is such a terrible tactic, I have to wonder what they think would work instead. Like, do they think the letter writing campaigns that have gone exactly nowhere in 40 years are on the verge of a breakthrough?
Or would they prefer the environmental movement to compile an overly literal companion reader to Andreas Malm?
I just thought that disrupting the life of ordinary people often at their most busy and pressured time was not the most responsible expression of a legitimate protest and that the very irresponsibility while drawing notice might also muddy and trivialise the intended message. But that is not the reason I am replying now, just after I made the comment I saw it was drawing downvotes and that it was an annoyance to people so I deleted it. I make this reply now as the majority of its downvotes were subsequent to its removal and I would ask someone who downvoted it without reading to explain that action, because it looks like pack mentality and straight recreational bullying.
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