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    If we don’t give the nation of Israel full control of the region, then we can’t fulfill the prophecy to bring end times!

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    The Protest Vote Paradox™

    As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

    “We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

    -Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

    Wether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
    • Obnoxiously tell everyone “We told you all what would happen!”
    • Claim there is “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

    As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

    1. Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
    2. Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
    3. Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

    Something, something, something Ted Talk.

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      You forgot that they will also claim that it is the fault of the opposition to fascism party that they didn’t “convince them to vote for them” even though they had already made up their mind ages before the election even started that they would never vote for the opposition to fascism party because they don’t actually care about [popular single issue] or stopping fascists. They just want to feel like special little snowflakes who are part of the “revolution” and want to see the whole system destroyed and the violence that goes along with it because they’re simply bored.

      See the other reply for a perfect example.

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        What opposition? The Democrats helped pass the Laken Riley Act. Schumer is calling for bipartisanship. Biden told Trump, “Welcome Home.” The only people who didn’t go to the inauguration and clap like seals are AOC and Bernie Sanders, and one of them isn’t even a Democrat. They’re not opposition. They’re collaboration.

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          lol. Bernie Sanders (the non-democrat) went to the inauguration hun.

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              Are you claiming he was the only one not clapping?

              https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/771939/awkward-moment-joe-biden-kamala-harris-dont-clap-during-donald-trump-inauguration-speech/

              Pelosi, of all people, didn’t even attend. So I don’t know why you’re trying to intentionally spread lies that Democrats are rolling out the red carpet when it’s leftists who put Trump into office in the first place. In addition to handing Congress to Republicans. Not to mention are to blame for the first Trump presidency allowing him to stack the Supreme Court as well for decades effectively putting an end to abortion rights for women. Leftists should be deeply ashamed at this point. I don’t know how y’all live with yourself. Oh that’s right, horse-blinders and blame shifting.

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                No hun, I’m saying that the left are the only ones offering resistance to the fascists taking over America. You see hun, while AOC openly calls Trump a rapist and has been warning about Republican fascism for months, Pelosi claimed we needed a, “strong Republican party,” and torpedoed AOC’s bid for the oversight committee (in favor of an obscure geriatric who is literally dying of throat cancer). While Bernie has been warning about a rising oligarchy for years, hun, Schumer is calling for bipartisanship and allowing his members to vote for a racist immigration bill.

                Also, hun, is very telling that you’ve sidestepped all of the substantive examplse I gave of the Democrats have enabled the flourishing fascist regime and only focused on the superficial aspects of opposing fascism. It’s almost like liberals (like you, hun) can’t imagine any kind of resistance other than a performative one. Isn’t that funny, hun?

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                  Lol. Your idea of resistance, hunty, is letting the fascists take power. I’d choose rational liberals over your fantasies of revolution any day hunty. Get bent, hunty.

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      It’s less bad than the other side. You do see how that works right?

      And if the system makes it certain only one of those two options will win, the less bad is better, right?

      And if it’s better that it wins, you should vote for it, right?

      Tell me where I lost you

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      Not standing up to worse makes it more difficult to move away from less bad because now you have to deal with worse before to can get back to dealing with less bad.

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      Actually it does, if one is objectively worse, then the other has to be at least the smallest percent better, that’s just simple word comprehension.

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    Reminder that the West Bank is the one that’s not even ruled by Hamas and hasn’t attacked Israel. If Israel tried to do this under Harris, no doubt weapons would’ve been cut off and the US might have even favored sanctions.

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    Finally I can stop wondering how the protest voters handle aiding and completing a genocide while claiming to have any sense of morality at all.

    They ignore it because they never cared, that’s IT! NOTHING ELSE. ITS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT BECAUSE OF THEIR NARCISSISM.

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    You think they actually gave a shit.

    Palestine was just the latest version of “The Issue”

    Someone they can make their entire personality to make themselves look good.

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    FAFO! Big time. Bunch of idiots. They do not understand that Israel has the USA by the balls and this has been going on since the USS Liberty.

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    Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.

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      Who? People go on about how if we just told Israel to drop dead, voters would turn out in the millions, but what actual numbers are there to back it up? The majority of people willing to left the world burn as protest are young and statistically, they don’t vote, the issues be damned.

      The simple reality is that this “Silent majority” of far leftists Internet pundits want the Democratic Party to appeal to does not exist. Biden didn’t try to appeal to these people, because they were never really going to turn out.

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      Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.

      Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to

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        Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.

        Lol. If we changed our foreign policies to win elections every 4 years we’d have exactly ZERO allies.

        Israel is America’s most important ally in the middle east. We ain’t giving that up for a single election.

        Edit: Ruffled some stupid feathers. Proud of your protest vote?

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          ally

          America doesn’t have allies, we have vassal states and economically enforced consrcripts lol.

          Why do you think all these 3rd world countries want BRICS to actually fly? They’re tired of being held hostage with USD.

          I mean they straight up declared themselves police of the world in the 90s after the USSR fell. And we all know the police definitely aren’t just some systemically corrupt protectors of the wealthy.

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      There is no reality in which America jeopardizes its relationship with its most important ally in the middle east.

      Simply not an option.

      So now we get to watch Dipshit Donny give Netanyahu free reign to turn Palestine to dust.

      But if you’re implying that Dems should have lied like Republicans lie and told their constituents that they’d stop supporting Israel in order to get re-elected, then yeah, they absolutely should have done that to prevent what we’re about to experience.

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        Israel is not an ally to the US.

        Allies don’t need to spend millions in donations to Congress and presidental candidate.

        Allies don’t launch and support campaign to attack (anti-apartheid) protesters and candidates.

        Allies, don’t attack US military and blame it on Arab.

        Allies don’t protect pedophile and refuse to sign a extradition agreement.

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          Perhaps they weren’t, but they’re certainly an ally of Trump, so congratulations anyone who didn’t vote for Harris. You won. Israel has their best friend in office

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    Coworker: “I hate trump, he should never be president!” Me: “So you’re voting Harris?” Coworker: “I don’t know if we’re ready for a WoMaN president”

    Asking for a friend, where is the nearest cliff? He would like to go jump off of it.

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    Yeah. You’re right honestly, it was too much to ask the Democrats to stop funding and arming a genocide. It’s not their fault at all, no sir no way. It’s the fault of the Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for people committing genocide against their communities.

    Youre so smart. So principled. You know exactly who’s fault this situation is. It’s those damn Palestinians not wanting to vote for people arming genocide against them. How dare they.

    The democrats had no choice. They HAD to keep committing genocide against Palestine. Poor Joe, he felt so bad for the Palestinians whenever he signed off on the next missile shipment to Israel. :( He even shed a little tear each time. The poor boy he just had no choice he had to keep arming genocide. He really felt so awful about it the whole time 😔 he’d sometimes even forget that it was happening at all and then remember and feel bad all over again.

    It’s so normal that you blame the Palestinian Americans who wouldn’t vote for people arming the genocide of their people. Yup. There’s NOTHING the Democrats could’ve done differently. You should just keep on defending them forever. You know what, you should do one even better and support them as they continue to slide to the right. Instead of fighting for the party to change, you should continue to blindly support them even as they support the indiscriminate slaughter of starving Gazan children.

    I should hope the /s isn’t needed here. I’m so fucking tired.

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      It’s the fault of the plaestinian Americans who refused to vote for people committing genocide against their communities.

      You seem to be ignoring the fact that by doing so they made the situation WAY worse. Like a kid that gets mad and just ends up making things worse for themselves.

      There is no reality in which the U.S. gives up Israel as its most important ally in the Middle East.

      So the options were to minimize the damage, or go wholesale on letting it get worse. They chose the latter. Not very smart.

      But hey, at least they can feel vindicated in their heart of hearts as they watch Palestine reduced to ash from the comfort of their homes in America.

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        Yeah mhm you’re so right. Demanding that the party that’s supposed to be progressive stops committing acts of genocide against their people was so childish of them. How dare they. Yup. It’s totally not the fault of the democratic party for continuing to commit genocidal acts, nope no not at all never they’re always in the right, actually. We really need to defend the poor leaders of the democratic establishment 😔 they only had a whole 13 months to stop committing acts of genocide by arming and funding genociders. Those damn Palestinians, it’s their fault that the democratic party had to keep committing genocide against them. If only they hadn’t complained so much about being genocided. 😡

        /s though again I should hope it isn’t necessary

        Yeah. I don’t think the democratic party would have stopped arming the Israeli military if they had won the election. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Gaza is so utterly destroyed it is hard to comprehend.

        It is extremely gross of you to blame the outcome of the election on a minority of a minority ethnic group who refused to vote for people who were actively involved in committing genocide against their community. That’s just the most wildly inhumane response to this situation possible. Nah, it was and continues to be the fault of the democratic leadership who committed themselves both to genocide and to a move to the right. You might as well become a Trump supporter if you want to blame minorities for everything. They hate Palestinians, too. You’d be right at home.

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      Dem cheerleaders are blue maga.

      Nah.

      Personally, I’m someone who accepts that for the foreseeable future only two parties matter and has been paying attention for multiple decades and actually bothered to look up both party’s voting history and know, as a fact, that Dems frequently vote in favor of the middle/lower classes, that our economy is always healthier under them, and that our rights are more secure.

      So when it comes down to voting I always champion them because the only other viable option is fucking awful in comparison and I’m not stupid enough to waste my vote on a fantasy scenario that simply won’t happen.

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      Look, you helped israel genocide palestine.

      You WON, you got what you wanted.

      Stop trying to weasel out of your responsibility.

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        You WON, you got what you wanted.

        This is like yelling at a geologist after they warned about an earthquake.

        No one wanted what the Dems were offering that’s why they lost.

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          Fucking exactly. I was on this site a month before the election saying, “Why is she campaigning with Liz Cheney? Who is this for?” Of course, someone jumped in to explain how I didn’t understand that it was actually very smart, because each Republican that flipped was worth two votes, because Trump lost a vote and Harris gained a vote, and it was just good strategy, and blah, blah, blah…

          Now that these arguments have been completely and devastatingly debunked, their proponents are looking for anyone else to blame: the handful of leftists who voted third-party or stayed home; the Arab and Latino Americans who didn’t know what was good for them; anyone who criticized their decisions or gave them anything less than their full-throated supprt. They weren’t warning them that their path was leading to their inevitable defeat! No, they must have caused their defeat! That has to be the answer, because the alternative would require self-reflection and change.

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    If only they’d put this much effort into getting one person to change her mind on the issue, instead of trying to get 10 million people to change their morals.

    It appears especially ghoulish now after it came out that even her campaign’s polling showed that it was a losing position.

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      Morals are morals, but they shouldn’t be completely uncompromising

      In this case we had the status quo on one side and on the other, someone who was itching to throw the dial to 11 across the board.

      At this point, any blood spilled as on their hands just as much as the DNC.

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        What status quo was there when Dems allow the rollback of everything even when they’re in power without even the suggestion of a fight? Unless you mean the status quo of everything continually getting worse under either party’s admin.

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          the status quo of everything continually getting worse under either party’s admin.

          I always vomit a little in my mouth when I see comments like this.

          Completely unaware of things like Dems providing cheap healthcare to vulnerable people (Obamacare) and lowering the cost of prescription medicine, and banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports, etc etc etc.

          Only someone completely unaware of everything going on around them would state that the status quo for Dems is everything getting worse. Paying attention to the smallest degree destroys the lazy take that both parties are the same.