Oh look at that, exactly what literally every sane person predicted would happen is happening.
Yep all those idiot protest voters getting exactly what trump said he would do.
I know neolibs like to blame everyone and everything but themselves but even if 100% of the protest voters voted for Harris, she still would have lost.
If every protest voter and third party voter was for Harris, she would have still lost in the landslide.
Turns out having horrid policies, saying “I’m not going to change from the person in office no one currently likes, except emulate Trump more”, doesn’t work. Who knew you had to be popular in a national popularity contest?
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Yes after a year+ of genocide, it’s continuing unabated. People would have to be ins4Ne to believe anything else was gonna happen.
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I would be curious to see the numbers but I don’t think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn’t help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.
Pro-Palestine protest votes didn’t cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump’s victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
Because the effect is the same. Sorry, again, you might finally experience what others have been.
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Well said. I really wish people understood that blame can be shared because they really don’t seem to understand that and haven’t since November.
They understand. They just don’t want the blame and want to shift the responsibility for their irresponsible actions to anyone but themselves.
And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
The dimbass games are posts like this instead of arguing for civil disruption and actions beyond elections. The protesters entire point was the election won’t stop the genocide either way and further action is needed. Trying to bait them into an argument about an election that’s already fucking over serves nothing. Unless you don’t care about the issue in the first place and just want to be divisive about it.
The protesters entire point was the election won’t stop the genocide either way and further action is needed.
And in the interest of furthering that point, they did everything they could to ensure a Democratic defeat. After all, if Palestinians are genocided by Israel, it’s only fair that American minorities get genocided by Republicans, right?
Trying to bait them into an argument about an election that’s already fucking over serves nothing.
I’m not trying to bait them into any sort of argument. They’re long past help. They’re out here on Lemmy already praising Trump as the ‘lesser evil’ and insisting, even now, that there’s no difference between Trump and Harris in terms of policy. Any argument with them is fucking pointless.
But I’m sorry that you don’t like that I’m not giving them asspats for their ‘principled’ stand against American minorities over an issue that, even according to your summary of their motivations, they realized would not be changed by their attacks on the non-fascist candidate in the election.
After all, if Palestinians are genocided by Israel, it’s only fair that American minorities get genocided by Republicans, right?
Solidarity for me, but not for thee. It doesn’t work out well.
Yes, this is why the smartest choice for LGBT folk in 1939 Poland would have been to welcome the Nazis, what with Poland being, at the time, far from LGBT-friendly. Because if there’s not solidarity for everyone, there should be solidarity for no one.
/s, for all of those out there patting each other on the back over ensuring the fascist won the 2024 American presidential election.
Or maybe when voting makes it impossible to achieve justice you should move towards other forms of resistance, like my original point was. Part of that resistance is nonparticipation. It’s an expected outcome. I voted for Harris but you don’t see me clutching my pearls over the idea that maybe this system just needs to go.
Or maybe when voting makes it impossible to achieve justice
Oh, of course, when you can’t achieve justice by voting, the correct decision is to ensure that voting results in the worst possible resolution. If you can’t have justice, you must have as much injustice as possible. The only moral choice, of course. Basic accelerationism. Every good revolutionary knows this.
you should move towards other forms of resistance, like my original point was.
Like fucking what? The easy answer of “We’re going to rise up and firebomb the rich any day now :‘’')” has been parroted by leftist wannabe suburban kids since the 70s; fuck’s sake, I’ve heard the line myself for the past 20 fucking years. And what has happened? Where are these masses ready to rise up, since they find voting no longer radical enough for their tastes?
They aren’t exchanging voting for more effective forms of change. They’re just abandoning voting, and replacing it with jack fucking shit. They continue to sit on their fucking asses, like always. They don’t organize en masse, they don’t take up lone wolf violence. They do nothing, except play at purity games to jerk themselves off over how pure they are for abandoning as many minorities and oppressed groups as they can to literal fucking fascists. And you know who suffers for it?
All of us.
Fuck’s sake.
Part of that resistance is nonparticipation. It’s an expected outcome.
Are you fucking kidding me? “Resistance is nonparticipation”?
What a fucking joke. Am I suppose to thank these twats for nonparticipating us into camps? Should I thank them for nonparticipating Ukraine into a potential genocide? What did nonparticipation gain us ‘revolutionary’ elements? Are we better poised to strike against the system now? No? We’re actually worse off? Fucking fantastic.
I voted for Harris but you don’t see me clutching my pearls over the idea that maybe this system just needs to go.
“This system needs to go” does not need the addendum “Therefore, I’m going to make the system as terrible as possible”.
What actions do you suggest?
Any direct action and organizing, frankly. From mutual aid and disruptive protests to boycott, sabotage, and strike(which would take years to organize).
Haha it’s people with flawed logic like you who deserve all the blame.
People who think like you should have to pass aptitude tests before they vote since they literally lined up behind an undemocratically appointed presidential candidate who had no concrete policy position except vibez and no fundamental changes from Biden.
People who couldn’t see an obvious and humiliating loss coming for Harris and the democrats since Biden was the candidate are the only people responsible for this disaster.
The democrats could have given you options. They didn’t because they don’t care about you. They paraded around a half-dead 80 year old man as competent and made excuses for his ineptitude while telling everyone who said he wasn’t fit that they were the ones who were actually crazy. Then they do a last minute bait and switch because he is literally falling apart before the world’s eyes. They lied to you over and over and you are still carrying water for them. Does the history of the situation not matter now that Trump is president?
That’s exactly why people are being called bluemaga.
Yes, of course, how could I not see that “no fundamental changes from Biden” was a horror worth electing a literal fascist. Thank you for informing me that worsening every issue facing us was the preferable choice in order to teach those darn Dems a lesson. Many of us filthy poors and minorities will suffer and die, but that’s a sacrifice you and your’s are willing to make, right?
Why are you hung up on the idea of teaching democrats a lesson? Democrats are not owed votes. They have to earn them. They did not earn them this time for a multitude of reasons, but you want to blame everyone else except them and their weak policies, weak campaigns, weak candidates, and shattered moral compass.
You can prefer the slow unnoticeable slip into fascism the democrats were offering instead of the highway to hell version republicans are unrolling, but please just be honest about it.
Biden did nothing to improve American’s every day lives. The cost of living keeps going up and all the democrats do is say, “hey, the parliamentarian that you have never heard of says we can’t do $15 minimum wage, but we can give ourselves raises and send billions to Ukraine for a proxy war and even more billions to Israel for a genocide. oh things are getting too expensive out there? slow down on the avocado toast. get a job as a coder. see our lives are fine, why are you all complaining.”
We were going to end up in the same place whether democrats or republicans won. It’s just more pleasing to you draped in blue instead of red. I thought maybe TDS democrats would finally start fighting for Palestine once Trump came into office, but they instead turned their derangement on the people who don’t want American to fund and safeguard a genocide. Crazy times we are witnessing.
Why are you hung up on the idea of teaching democrats a lesson? Democrats are not owed votes. They have to earn them.
“Your genocide is an acceptable price to teach those damn Dems a lesson!”
Yeah, I wonder why I’m hung up on that. Fucking fascist.
We were going to end up in the same place whether democrats or republicans won.
Privileged bothsides bullshit. Fuck’s sake.
I thought maybe TDS democrats
Mask-off, I see.
You see nothing because you live in an echo chanber. You can’t see both sides are playing you because you don’t want to believe it. You need a bad guy and a good guy to come save you.
Newsflash: Democrats aren’t saving anything except their own asses.
Biden’s genocide was acceptable to you. Harris’s contiuation of the genocide would have been acceptable to you because it would mean Trump is not in office.
You accept Trump’s genocide as well as long as you think you have some moral high ground over people who did not vote for Holocaust Harris. Uou tell yourself, “Yeah, it’s somebody else’s fault. Not mine for voting for the WORST CANDIDATE IN US PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY. It has to be the people who wanted this to end before it even began. How are my coconut vibez?”
The masks are indeed coming off of bluemaga democrats. That is for certain. These people just as blinded in their rage towards Donald Trump as maga rages against marxists.
The moral highground you believe you occupy is flooded with the souls of Gaza that Biden and Harris allowed to be exterminated and somehow you are blaming Trump for it. It’s an amazing braintrick you perform there.
My advice is next time don’t throw your vote away.
Pretty much. They didn’t offer anything their constituents wanted except for escape from DJT.
Unfortunately “We aren’t Donald Trump” wasn’t a winning strategy two of the three times they tried it.
I wonder what two terrible choices we are gonna have in 2028. Watch it be like fuckin Nancy Pelosi with an exoskeleton holding her up vs Dan Crenshaw who will have replaced his eye patch with a gun by then.
And, remember, it almost didn’t even work the second time. Biden was the only candidate running for the nomination poised to lose to Trump and he was forced on us, seemingly as punishment for us demanding healthcare. They were willing to throw 2020 and would have lost had the unpredictable and extraordinary circumstances of Covid-19 not occurred, along with Trump’s absolutely bungled response. Covid-19 was the sole event that propelled Biden to the white house. And then he was exactly as ineffective and terrible as all leftists predicted and we got Trump back because of it.
I think both Trump and Biden handled COVID fucking terribly.
Really most nations handled it really fucking badly. I can forgive initial mistakes like not knowing how potent it was or how infectious it was, but once they knew the masks were pointless why the hell did they continue to push that crap everywhere.
It’s absolutely a disgrace how the Dems handled it after an entire year of Trump trying to pretend it just didn’t exist or was just a cold and using that in their campaign. Then when it became convenient for them they began to pretend it was over.
Politicians continuing to be fuckin useless yet again.
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Well, whoever it is, it’ll be them running against Trump, because he’s already hinted at running for a third term, and he doesn’t give a shit if things he does are illegal. And again, whoever it is the Dems pick, they’ll be such shitheads that they’ll lose the election against Trump again, for the third time. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever they learn their lesson in the next four years, because democrats are mentally incapable of even considering they could ever do anything wrong.
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compulsive liar 24/7
specifically clarified afterwards
I was saying that the left says he’s a liar 24/7 but for whatever reason chose to believe him completely when he made that comment. But then they just go right back to calling him a liar when he made clarifications afterwards.
It’s not that complex if you have a handful of functioning brain cells my guy.
I thought it was strange why you were defending Trump, till you started in about “tHe LeFt”. Now it makes perfect sense.
“two”
I’m not really sure what you were trying to get at with that comment. Are you implying that it wasn’t two times that Donald Trump won?
Oh sorry. “Two” parties.
I question even that: Did they really? Where did the party articulate a cohesive plan (or hell, even just an enthusiastic promise) to counter the rise of oligarchy?
They promised an escape from him stylistically, but the majority of citizens who aren’t political junkies weren’t sick of it, because they weren’t exposed to it, because they don’t pay much attention to political news. What did they promise that the non-informed voter would notice in they’re day-to-day life?
They promised that their oligarchs would be nicer to us. Which, to be fair, is probably true.
You’d think that would’ve been enough…
ok
It wouldn’t have been a landslide, but it certainly assured the worst case scenario, MAGA sweeping all 3.
Who knows how it would have gone down otherwise, maybe the Democrats regained the house, maybe held onto the Senate. Maybe Trump would have lost, but Republicunts held onto Congress.
Who knows, but any of those would have been 10000x better than letting Drump get a hold of all 3.
Now everyone is screwed in some way.
What do you mean don’t blame the brown people for White America’s problems/identity crisis?
Fuckin what?
If you think white people have problems because of brown people, you’re a stupid fuck. White people collect all the money that makes white people poor.
“It’s pretty cool that MAGA Elon has so much money and my life sucks.”
Agreed 💯
Id say anyone with half a brain, paid attention and was an informed voter knew exactly this is what we were in for - but it’s clear most Americans are not informed because of the huge number of people who didn’t participate (for whatever reasons)
Highly engaged voters voted overwhelmingly for Kamala. Not because they liked her, but because they knew the alternative was dog shit. This is not an ideal situation.
Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.
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What the fuck are you saying?
both sides are the same
That I didn’t vote because I knew trump was worse? I voted.
the threats didn’t come from the dems. they came from the magats.
“We’re fighting fascism,” or whatever they were saying. They didn’t convince enough people to vote for them.
you make it sound easy but agreements between nations are anything but that. last time I checked both the dems and repubs were running the government…how convenient of you to forget that.
Regan called the head (premiere, president, I don’t know) of Israel to tell them to calm down and the did. I’m not forgetting things. You don’t know history.
Again:
agreements between nations are anything but that
Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?
Grow up.
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Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?
That is the exact opposite of how it works. The deal limited their progress, Trump canceling the deal gave them free reign to continue unimpeded.
Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.
At least with the blue team they’re less likely to bend to protests…red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.
That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.
If voting isnt enough it means politics is basically inaccessible to those struggling just to make ends meet. With what time does a starving man get to meet with their representative, which representative would even give him an audiance.
Sure, if you’re on the edge of survival then that comes first. But I don’t think that’s the case for most people engaged in this conversation. Very few people in developed countries are literally starving.
But you’re right that this is unfair to people who pouring all of their energy into basic survival. In a better, more liberated world of the future, I hope voting will be sufficient. But that’s just not the world of today. We live in a world where we got to choose between two candidates who both favored materially supporting the murder of thousands of Palestinian children. Between killing the biosphere slowly or quickly. Between brazen corruption or discrete corruption.
That’s not a world where voting is anywhere close to enough.
But this is also why I think mutual aid is the single most important political action right now. If we can provide for and protect our community, this builds up our power naturally and gives those people experiencing hardship a chance to participate as well. And once we are united we are unstoppable.
There were no “threats,” just pointing out real shit…
I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
So what? You still did the right/smart thing.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party
A failed party with a history of voting in favor of the middle/lower classes, who have provided affordable healthcare, strengthened worker rights/unions, lowered prescription drug costs, banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports, invested in clean energy, placed regulations on companies harming our environment, etc etc etc?
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
Both are true at the same time. She failed to condemn a genocide. Are you telling me that you think all those students protesting didn’t matter?
Coworker: “I hate trump, he should never be president!” Me: “So you’re voting Harris?” Coworker: “I don’t know if we’re ready for a WoMaN president”
Asking for a friend, where is the nearest cliff? He would like to go jump off of it.
Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.
Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to
Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
Lol. If we changed our foreign policies to win elections every 4 years we’d have exactly ZERO allies.
Israel is America’s most important ally in the middle east. We ain’t giving that up for a single election.
Edit: Ruffled some stupid feathers. Proud of your protest vote?
ally
America doesn’t have allies, we have vassal states and economically enforced consrcripts lol.
Why do you think all these 3rd world countries want BRICS to actually fly? They’re tired of being held hostage with USD.
I mean they straight up declared themselves police of the world in the 90s after the USSR fell. And we all know the police definitely aren’t just some systemically corrupt protectors of the wealthy.
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Who? People go on about how if we just told Israel to drop dead, voters would turn out in the millions, but what actual numbers are there to back it up? The majority of people willing to left the world burn as protest are young and statistically, they don’t vote, the issues be damned.
The simple reality is that this “Silent majority” of far leftists Internet pundits want the Democratic Party to appeal to does not exist. Biden didn’t try to appeal to these people, because they were never really going to turn out.
These numbers
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
By a more than three-to-one margin, Biden 2020 voters who did not vote for Harris say they would have been more likely to have voted for Harris if she “pledged to break from President Biden’s policy toward Gaza by promising to withhold additional weapons to Israel” rather than less likely.
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There is no reality in which America jeopardizes its relationship with its most important ally in the middle east.
Simply not an option.
So now we get to watch Dipshit Donny give Netanyahu free reign to turn Palestine to dust.
But if you’re implying that Dems should have lied like Republicans lie and told their constituents that they’d stop supporting Israel in order to get re-elected, then yeah, they absolutely should have done that to prevent what we’re about to experience.
Israel is not an ally to the US.
Allies don’t need to spend millions in donations to Congress and presidental candidate.
Allies don’t launch and support campaign to attack (anti-apartheid) protesters and candidates.
Allies, don’t attack US military and blame it on Arab.
Allies don’t protect pedophile and refuse to sign a extradition agreement.
Perhaps they weren’t, but they’re certainly an ally of Trump, so congratulations anyone who didn’t vote for Harris. You won. Israel has their best friend in office
There is absolutely no difference between the two when it come to Israel.
There obviously is, thus all the threads like this where trump does something to empower israel that biden didn’t, causing rational people to go “we told you so”, and people like you to go “lalala”
On October 13, 2023, The US called up Egypt and suggest that Palestinians in Gaza go to the Sinai Peninsula. Egypt refused so did Jordan. Many people don’t follow what happen day by day, so they miss these news. This exact topic, was going on for a while until Egyptian military build a wall and made it clear they are not going to change their position.
The plan was openly discussed at least since the 1980s ! so saying that Trump is worst, is not accurate because all US presidents made it clear they will do whatever Israel ask for. It just the democrat wanted Arab votes on the “illusions” they are better because they don’t say the quite part out-loud compare to Trump.
I hope you’re right.
I’d hate for this to be right
Sadly it looks accurate in fact and very plausible in prediction
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Trump claiming credit for ceasefire and then destroying the region was always Bibi’s plan. The propalestine protestors were against the administration for refusing to acknowledge that the israeli’s were not negotiating in good faith. Had they played hard ball things might have been different.
Good thing they got rid of Genocide Joe to pave the way Death dealing Donny
Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad … just once, you don’t even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.
The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.
Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know
Exactly what freaked me out in the later months of 2023. He wanted to tank Biden, the guy sending billions, because the next guy would be worse.
So , like always, the problem is made worse because single issue voters lack the mental capacity to think about more than one thing at a time.
If you think the Dems were only a bad choice on a single issue then you might be interested in this bridge I have for sale.
Yeah, and the last several days hasn’t told us anything about how different things would have been.
Fucking delusional…
The delusional ones are still dreaming about how different things might have been if they turned out differently.
The clear-eyed ones have been preparing to run, hide, or fight since long before November.
Maybe, maybe not, but either way now we have a situation where anyone who’s not a white+male+cis+het+christian just got a big target painted on them in no small part due to those protest votes and the push to have democrats stay home.
Democrats didn’t stay home, that’s pure cope. They failed to swing undecided voters.
I totally agree that voting in your broken system is just harm reduction at best; but Kamala could have walked it in if that was the goal.
I totally agree that voting in your broken system
Are you not a US voter?
Oops.
In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)
Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
Nah, they get lumped right in with the people that stayed home. They knew they were throwing their vote away because they knew there was zero chance of their party winning the election.
The real issue is that all the protest voters and protest non voters enabled this guy, on purpose, and they know it:
Kilmeade then asked Trump: “Are you on-board with the way the [Israel Defense Force] is taking the fight to Gaza?”
“You’ve got to finish the problem,” he said.
i’m super excited to see this same strategy with no changes fail a second time XD
By then it will be the third time.
oh wait yeah
Then it sounds like you’re super excited to see an ignorant electorate make stupid decisions again.
We can blame Democrats all day, every day, or we can accept that Americans are pretty fucking dumb and awful at voting.
do you know what sarcasm is
It’s the fault of these idiots. Not the Democratic party.
fault doesn’t matter. what matters is influence. the democratic party has SO MUCH MONEY to use for influence, and they used all that influence to basically make the perfect case to voters to conclude that they might as well stay home.
their conclusion was wrong of course, but to the working class american, that’s the image that was successfully projected into their minds.
the democratic party has SO MUCH MONEY to use for influence
How much does money influence matter in an election when you’re up against a party utilizing extreme propaganda and hate/fear as their tools to convince a generally very ignorant electorate?
A lot. It has a lot of influence. I wish the Dems would do propaganda. Instead they catered to suburban conservatives who were already locked in for Trump, all while capitulating to neo-Nazi fearmongering over trans people and the border. Isn’t that just a great use of their resources?
I wish the Dems would do propaganda.
I mean there are consequences to utilizing fear based propaganda to win an election. You need look no further than the Republican party for proof. They are locked in to courting racists for votes now and that’s absolutely detrimental to our society. Two parties giving up the high road and going all in the the low road would lead us down a very dark path.
But then again, how do you run a clean campaign against a dirty campaign and win when Americans are easily influenced by propaganda?
Can vouch for Michigan, writing was on the wall as far back as 2023 when the Gaza thing started.
Although I think it still would have been close, Detroit auto was not happy with Biden handing out free money for layoffs.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College.
Doesn’t matter. They voted not knowing if they were going to be the deciding factor or not.
all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican’s campaign.
It’s not the campaign that’s the issue. It’s stupid Americans voting against their own best interests because they fell for propaganda and because they always hold the Democratic party to a higher standard. The brunt of the blame lies squarely on the American electorate. Our government is a reflection of our ignorant electorate.
They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican’s campaign.
And a much more hateful campaign than the same party’s campaign four years ago. Feel like leaving that out invalidates everything else you are trying to push.
How did they run a hateful campaign?
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If only they’d put this much effort into getting one person to change her mind on the issue, instead of trying to get 10 million people to change their morals.
It appears especially ghoulish now after it came out that even her campaign’s polling showed that it was a losing position.
Morals are morals, but they shouldn’t be completely uncompromising
In this case we had the status quo on one side and on the other, someone who was itching to throw the dial to 11 across the board.
At this point, any blood spilled as on their hands just as much as the DNC.
What status quo was there when Dems allow the rollback of everything even when they’re in power without even the suggestion of a fight? Unless you mean the status quo of everything continually getting worse under either party’s admin.
the status quo of everything continually getting worse under either party’s admin.
I always vomit a little in my mouth when I see comments like this.
Completely unaware of things like Dems providing cheap healthcare to vulnerable people (Obamacare) and lowering the cost of prescription medicine, and banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports, etc etc etc.
Only someone completely unaware of everything going on around them would state that the status quo for Dems is everything getting worse. Paying attention to the smallest degree destroys the lazy take that both parties are the same.
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Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.
refused to give them a reason to vote for them
If stopping fascism isn’t enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that’s a you problem and not a them problem.
definitely win us the next election.
How quaint, you think there’s going to be a next free and fair election at this point.
What do you mean “next”?
America has never had free and fair elections.
As evidenced by the cases of Bush v. Gore, Wilding et. al. v. DNC Services d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, and the lack of a viable anti-genocide candidate during last year’s election.
You still think there will be a legitimate next election. Amazing.
That still leads to the question of what’s the point of blaming voters for the democratic party’s failure.
Do you think it might be possible that more than one party can be blamed for Trump getting into power and that things aren’t so simple that you can point to the Democrats and say it’s 100% their fault and absolutely no one else’s?
For example, the people who repeatedly said not to vote for Harris? Do you think maybe they have a tiny bit of culpability? Or is this a “just because we told people not to vote for Harris doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have voted for Harris, this has nothing to do with us” sort of thing?
I want the democratic party to change so it makes more sense to put my efforts into trying to change them rather than fruitlessly smashing my head into a wall over that which cannot be changed.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said. I didn’t even ask what you wanted.
By not voting for genocide, they cost us the election! /s
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They ignore it because they never cared,
A friend of mine died in Lebannon.
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Dem cheerleaders are blue maga.
Nah.
Personally, I’m someone who accepts that for the foreseeable future only two parties matter and has been paying attention for multiple decades and actually bothered to look up both party’s voting history and know, as a fact, that Dems frequently vote in favor of the middle/lower classes, that our economy is always healthier under them, and that our rights are more secure.
So when it comes down to voting I always champion them because the only other viable option is fucking awful in comparison and I’m not stupid enough to waste my vote on a fantasy scenario that simply won’t happen.
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Why would you even bother posting this dipshit response?
You’ve added nothing to the conversation other than to confirm you’re incapable of understanding basic concepts.
Posting the words “blue maga” in and of itself is a condemnation of your lack of intelligence.
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Ok cool, except I’m not one.
Now is the time. We’ve been selling this two party, lesser evil thing, my entire life. If you never make the leap you never get change.
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You WON, you got what you wanted.
This is like yelling at a geologist after they warned about an earthquake.
No one wanted what the Dems were offering that’s why they lost.
Fucking exactly. I was on this site a month before the election saying, “Why is she campaigning with Liz Cheney? Who is this for?” Of course, someone jumped in to explain how I didn’t understand that it was actually very smart, because each Republican that flipped was worth two votes, because Trump lost a vote and Harris gained a vote, and it was just good strategy, and blah, blah, blah…
Now that these arguments have been completely and devastatingly debunked, their proponents are looking for anyone else to blame: the handful of leftists who voted third-party or stayed home; the Arab and Latino Americans who didn’t know what was good for them; anyone who criticized their decisions or gave them anything less than their full-throated supprt. They weren’t warning them that their path was leading to their inevitable defeat! No, they must have caused their defeat! That has to be the answer, because the alternative would require self-reflection and change.
