FYI @rumschlumpel@feddit.org @breadsmasher@lemmy.world @Pfeffy@lemmy.world @superkret@feddit.org @Pending_Jokester@lemmy.world and a few others
A rage bait post they just restored: https://lemmy.world/post/24282976. The initial removal was about rule 3 - no rage baiting. That rule has been removed.
Another rage bait comment against vegans: https://lemmy.world/comment/14535452
Yeah the carnivore communities suck 🤮 They kept popping in my /all feed so I blocked them. The rage bait post is particularly nauseating to me. They don’t see animals as having the same sentience as vegans view they have, it is incredibly disheartening. These communities are going to be controversial, you either think it is wrong to abuse/rape/kill an animal for consumption or you don’t.
That’s why the vegan instances are great, you won’t see this shit ever. You’re free to talk about veganism without someone coming in to troll. The carnivore diet is just a diet, one that is harmful IMO, but veganism is so much more than a plant based diet. I still come across comments making fun of instances that require content warnings for meat, dairy, and eggs. They just don’t get it and I’m tired of trying to reason with unreasonable people.
I don’t expect .world to do anything about them. I’m actually surprised people seem to be on the mod’s side here, they certainly weren’t when beaver banned people for downvoting.
The bait post does read like a 9 year old just learned the words pipi, caca, boudin or something.
I might not have all the numbers because it’s a remote community (to me) and it seems the bans and some of these downvotes might not all have federated to us, maybe from a lack of SJW subscribers at some point in time.
Those I can see have single digits total votes, so that wouldn’t really meet my ban threshold even for a small community.I do ban mass-downvoters now and then on SJW. At some point, if your only interaction with a community is repeatedly, exclusively downvoting stuff, either learn to curate your feed or GTFO, but I do have a much higher bar than this.
Yeah no your war on this community is pointless. They are allowed to exist just like you and if you don’t like it you can hide them and move on.
Coming to the community, especially a small one, just to downvote without posting a single post/comment is antisocial as fuck so stuck your rage where the sun don’t shine, sweetie.
Your reference to “respectful dissent” shows you don’t understand what the rule means - it is to encourage participation, ie posting and commenting. Blanket downvoting has exactly opposite effect discouraging participation.
Well, this is one where the subject is kinda beat to death.
Blanket down voting is a shitty thing, and it is completely appropriate for mods to ban people that do it
However, they should have a definitive criteria for what thresholds they use to determine what is and isn’t blanket down voting.
Myself, I down vote stuff on there that’s either off topic for the place, or stuff that’s utter bullshit, and/or stuff that’s YouTube drek because the YouTube drek is never sourced well. A link to a video is way too likely to be bullshit when it comes down to fad, niche, or weird diets.
Which means I end up down voting more than I do otherwise.
And, there’s very rarely any posts worth engaging in.
By the apparent metrics, I should have already been banned. Which means that the apparent metrics don’t match what’s being used in practice.
However! I think that’s less PTB and more “clueless” mods that don’t have experience running a controversial community. The more controversial the subject is, the clearer you have to be with how, when, and why you’re going to take action, unless you want to end up on a community like this one, lol.
Gonna have to say YDI here sorry. Blanket downvoting is a bannable offense in any community because it denegrates the platform as a whole.
I also want to apologize to the carnivore community for my previous assumptions about the diet as a whole. I had unquestioningly believed a post that labeled the diet as unconditionally dangerous, and I commented encouraging people who had that opinion to report the community. After doing more research, I realize I was mistaken.
While there are risks associated with the carnivore diet, and it certainly shouldn’t be marketed as “for everyone,” when approached mindfully and appropriately, the diet is not necessarily dangerous.
Gonna have to say YDI here sorry. Blanket downvoting is a bannable offense in any community because it denegrates the platform as a whole.
Ironically, I’m not even banned myself, as I participated (and generally don’t downvote that much anyway, whatever the community)
What isn’t really clear here is that users seems to have been banned for one single downvote? Seems a bit extreme.
Nope.
Only users not participating and either blanket downvoting multiple posts or downvoting specifically this ONE moderator’s post banning downvoting without participation were banned.
You are actually the best example here - you have participated and are not banned.
Coming to the community just to downvote is toxic. Since banned users don’t contribute, they have no interest being there.
You don’t like a certain community - block and move on with your life. Don’t behave like a dick.
i’m aware; i said YDI because thats the colloqualism in the sidebar. “you” means the modded users here :P
if you have evidence that it was truly a single downvote ban i would post that because that’s a real issue of algorithm manipulation — but way different from blanket downvoting bans.
How can mods or admins see this?
For people tired of this topic, feel free to hide the post, except if you’re on Lemmy.world which is still running on 0.19.3 (that feature was introduced later)
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com , @unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com , @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat could any of you have a look at the votes on this post?
Another comment getting instantly 5 upvotes, and my post and comment getting 3 to 5 upvotes at a low traffic time seems suspicious
Apparently someone created an account just to comment on this thread in defense of the mods 👀
Hm… I’m not sure it is worth bothering too much about, honestly. That said:
There is a little bit of a suspicious pattern. Three different accounts, all active during the same short span of time (space of 6 minutes) during a quiet time, all giving one downvote to the post, and then a couple downvotes and upvotes in the comments boosting a particular point of view in slightly different ways.
One of the suspicious voters seems to be to be clearly a bad-faith political propaganda account, which is interesting. I have a theory that some of the political propagandists like to incite pointless drama related to specific mods, or specific hot-button issues like veganism, just to add noise and unpleasantness to the system, and give a vehicle if they want to attack some particular user or get them riled up to motivate moderator action against them.
Just a little bit of correlation doesn’t necessarily mean anything, of course. Sometimes random data contains stuff that looks like patterns but isn’t. On the other hand, two of those accounts are on the same instance, which means it’s easy to send a DM to one of the admins pointing it out so that they can check to see if they’re coming from the same IP or other indications that they’re the same person doing voter fraud.
Do you think it’s worth bothering? A small amount of voting fraud is kind of the nature of the beast, and it’s hard to be sure about this kind of thing.
Hello @Serinus@lemmy.world,
Do you know when the announcement will be made about the new “respectful dissent” policy? This seems to fall under this scope
You don’t understand what the rule means - it is to encourage participation, ie posting and commenting. Blanket downvoting has exactly opposite effect discouraging participation.
