I’m not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” when it’s approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it’s used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It’s also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn’t prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
That’s why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they’re telling you to take horse dewormer, since that’s the only way to get it. It’s not out of a general ‘disrespect’ for ivermectin.
I’m pretty sure there were actually some doctors who were prescribing it
Yeah, and those (handful of) people were not taking horse dewormer.
Everyone else on ivermectin though…
Yes, and most were disciplined because they were describing medication that was not intended for nor effective at treating covid. Still, there were very, very few doctors who did so.
There’s a depressingly non-trivial number of doctors who aren’t above making a quick buck through quackery.
Are ivermectin’s feelings hurt when it’s disrespected? Or does it kind of get off on it? And why are all these people posting at great length to remind us all that it has some other use than the one we are talking about?
Presumably to avoid people from believing the opposite: that Ivermectin is a quack drug that doesn’t do anything, which might lead them to reject the drug if prescribed for some parasite or other ailment that is treated by ivermectin.
It actually is something of a wonder drug
And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the “throw everything at the wall” period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn’t got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn’t have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it’s rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom’s hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for “More Freedom™”
Was your boss dodging some creditors, by any chance?
Nope. Just didn’t like how Florida was handling COVID and the future of education for his kids if I remember correctly.
That’s what the blue is for
People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won’t prescribe it. That’s why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.
Sure, but still a false equivalence and a strawman at best. The few people who bought horse dewormer to get ivermectin doesn’t discredit those who “smartly” bought the correct human dose for ivermectin.
When most conversation is asynchronous, it usually turns out:
[Ivermectin Mentioned]
“That’s horse dewormer.”
[Person internally: No it’s not, it’s a real drug. Scrolls past your conversation thinking ‘this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about’]
Both people then go away having learned nothing.
The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.
in this corner, the challenger, using a B vitamin complex.
And our returning champion, Methylene Blue!^DING!!^
yeah, but don’t give it to someone on antidepressants, the mixture can lead to serotonine syndrome, which is a medical emergency
And taking it along with various psychedelic drugs can extend the trip, often far beyond what any sane person would want. MAOIs inhibit one of the pathways the body uses to clear those drugs from the bloodstream. Instead, they hang around.
I personally know/knew one of the main guys promoting Ivermectin in the news and on rogan. It was 100% a grift and he knew it. The point wasn’t the medicine but subverting public health efforts. That is why it is derided as horse dewormer.
Same with ketamine, horse tranquilizer. Also a powerful fast acting anti depressent among a other very positive qualities
Also it’ll burn the lining of your bladder and make you piss blood. And dissociatives including ket are nasty, dirty drugs that cause lots of mishaps when used in non-clinical settings.
It’s because they buy the veterinary products as a way to circumvent existing reasonable limits for human use of ivermectin. It’s implicitly against doctors’ recommendations and prescriptions.
Alternatively, they’re buying ego-boosting pills/pastes that feed the fantasy that they’re special/chosen people who are in the know about “secrets hiding in plain sight” like a common antiparasitic drug having incredible curative properties.
Thank you for this. I hate all the caveating you have to do on the internet, but this taught me something I didn’t know and now I’m slightly less of an idiot :)
There were so many calls to “Let Mel come back,” promising that his outbursts weren’t a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don’t believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn’t done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can’t come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
It’s like these people got trolled by 4chan and believed every single word they said.
Wait. Can we solve this by sending Joe and Mel a crystal growing guide?
Maybe convince them that they can get pure cat pee and mix that with bleach to create chloramine.
When inhaled, it can cure them of any respiratory illness. Permanently!
The government is hiding the fact that homemade bath salts and huffing spray paint kills most cancer patients.
Its like slightly worse than talking to marxists
How is it only slightly worse?
Well they’re both insufferable but i think only one is brought on by lead exposure
As if he only has one house
Don’t get too excited, there’s insurance for houses
I just hope insurance is one of the many things he doesn’t believe in
But it’s a huge inconvenience to him at best anyways
Exactly what I was thinking of. 🤣
That’s his god fucking him up
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
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See, it’s more natural since horses are natural and it’s used on them.
Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven’t in decades, but maybe I’d understand if I did nowadays.
I’m not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it’s just giving “brother, eww”. Can’t fully put my finger on it.
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Was gonna say he wouldn’t have to nod along if he didn’t talk to the crazies, but then I remembered it’s precisely what he’s getting paid such absurd amounts to do.
Yeah, while I don’t doubt Rogan would swallow it hook, line and sinker; just nodding along is what most people would do with someone that’s a guest but batshit crazy.
I’d also say that JRE is entertaining, not education. I don’t listen to it myself, never have and probably never will, but I can see why people do.
I listen to a true crime pod which incorporates actual audio from police/court hearings and it can be great fun to listen to someone absolutely unhinged try to explain why they’re innocent.
Which podcast?
Rättegångspodden, it’s all in Swedish though
I mean, it is entertaining watching a train wreck (in the slang form, not the literal).
I’d probably just not have a crazy old man as a guest, but hey ¯\(ツ)/¯
I know it’s dangerous, but it’s important to at least tell them people ignoring them aren’t silently agreeing with their bullshit. So, if you think you can manage the risk, you should tell them.
He can later edit that part tho
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?-? I just said that instead of showing himself nodding to the crazy man he could instead edit out that part.
Not sure where you get I’m “defending” anybody, when I’m saying that he had the option, the journalistic duty and every chance to not showing himself agreeing with Gibson’s rants.
I suggest you a camomile, avoiding social networks for a day and a walk in a forest or similar natural environment.
Sure, they were cured of cancer… until one day suddenly dropped dead, for no reason at all
Death is the ultimate cure for cancer.
“The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world” Mel Gibson guy?.. he has been into conspiracy theories for a while
What’s up with Mel? Does he have Parkinson’s or something similar? Or is he just strung out on cocaine? He was insanely, constantly twitchy the whole interview.
Probably something to do with all that ivermectin.
And the crazy Catholic-offshoot cult he’s in.
Drugs
Cocaine
We are all going to die
This should not be legal.
I am always disheartened when I see his podcast is always at the top of the charts, even left leaning reasonable friends i know listen to it
Some episodes are good. Dave from megadeth for example.
The problem with the podcast is Joe agrees with everyone.
Maybe they’re good? I’ll never know cause I refuse to give views to such a toxic person, and Dave Mustaine? Two toxic morons talking to each other? Sounds like a blast /s
wait, im out of the loop, what did Dave Mustaine do?
this is why I dont like to dig too much into musicians lives, they always disappoint me.
Yep. I have a friend who is very much on the left, but he’s also really naïve, so he doesn’t see the problem with listening to Rogan.
I really enjoy when he has physicists on. That’s about it.
You’re part of the problem
Yeah my bad I shouldn’t be single handedly propping up the biggest podcast in the world like that I really dropped the ball.
I haven’t watched it in years. I just think he has good conversations with real scientists. Cope harder and be useless.
Watch the physicists when they’re talking to someone intelligent. Much better.
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don’t stress science literacy, what people didn’t notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn’t read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
The problem is… funding.
But most people have always been science illiterate. It’s just that now we’re (as a a whole) explicitly electing/listening to people who don’t value that literacy either.
It’s not funding directly, that’s just a symptom in the chain. Governments globally are intentionally stupifying their populations.
Just throwing money at schooling without addressing the rise in fascist authoritarianism will just end with generations being taught absolute nonsense (creationism, flat earth, etc.)
Thanks for the background - that’s fascinating. I never knew there was a sliver of reality behind the craziness
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they’re calling it an animal product. It’s sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it’s ‘‘it cures cancer THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’ Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ‘‘supplements’’ (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I’m not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he’s SURE the Vit C did something. It’s like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ‘‘tire store change tire = 20% lower mph’’ so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
I think they’re just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
It doesn’t do people’s argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it’s a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
It is approved for use in humans, but its primary uses are all as an antiparisitic drug. And primarily worms.
Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
Medical professionals who promote quack uses should not only be mocked, they should have their license to practice terminated.
Remember that nobody is protected against conspiracy theories. This shit is going everywhere.
To be fair, Mel Gibson has been a racist, homophobic piece of shit for decades now. The fact that he’s waded into right wing conspiracy and grift, should be a surprise to no one.
Ever notice how Mel Gibson kept getting cast as insane people or creepers or both at the same time?
This was my point too. You don’t believe in this shit like that. But also, it’s always a good reminder for everyone to be careful and that everyone can be concerned.
It’s okay when it’s clearly labelled a theory. They can be entertaining thoughts. Some may even prove true some time, but it should be clear a theory is not a fact and should not be treated as such.
