What is a request for time off? I am informing you I will not be there. There is no request.
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Request denied. We are informing you that should you choose to ignore your contractual obligations by neglecting to perform, we will be forced to recover any potential damages because of your actions through binding arbitration. We thank you for being part of the Amazon family and your continued dedication to our family.
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What wonderful country do you live in and can we all move there?
I think its called “the Rest of the Western World”
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If you still use Amazon, you’re supporting this kind of capitalism
better late than never, cancelled my subscription last week!
Unfortunately it’s very difficult not to support Amazon indirectly because they make a lot of their money from AWS, which a large fraction of the internet runs on.
don’t let perfect be the enemy of evil. punching back a behemoth corporation whose policies actively hurt people is significantly better than just letting them steamroll you.
I wouldn’t be surprised if an AI handled the schedule.
I mean, yeah it would be on brand to change out a handwritten program that says “If request(leave): deny()” with an AI.
“The wrong amazon is burning.”
- quoting some comment I read somewhere
An Amazon spokesperson told HuffPost on Friday that the denial was due to an error in Scott-Windham’s time off request and said she has the company’s “full support.”
What sort of reasonable “error” could possibly deny something like this?
It’s a PR lie to save face.
The same thing insurance companies say when people go to the media about them.
It’s the “we didn’t expect the news to pick this up and start reporting on it. We don’t want this kind of bad press” error.
Really though it does sound like a retarded mistake I don’t think anyone was sipping on a whisky, smiling and hitting the deny button.
It’s clearly an automatic deny button.
You understand how thats worse right?
Yep
The sort of error that only occurs when it might become bad PR.
The small error that when they decided to violate FMLA laws, they didn’t realize anyone was watching.
I don’t know how Amazon works but I imagine it’s some sort of form submission and she chose the wrong option.
Don’t think that makes it okay, time off requests should be considered by a human who actually interacts with the employee, in my opinion, but I can see it happening. Dealt with that when I worked for Walmart. I definitely got a few days off that I submitted through the automated system online and have no idea if anyone ever approved.
My entire impression of HR at amazon warehouses is HR is there to onboard new hires and occasionally act as an equivalent to t1 tech support. You go to the amazon worker subreddit and about half the posts talking about a problem have comments like ‘yeah just call corporate HR they’ll fix it’ because onsite HR fucked something up.
edit: Also worth noting, that same subreddit is pointing out that medical leave of absence is always approved by default with 30 days to provide proof so yeah she probably put in for the wrong type of leave.
Most people who have worked at an amazon warehouse will tell you the same story: yes amazon sucks, no not for that reason in the news. Amazon was the 2nd best warehouse I’ve worked at, but that’s more a condemnation of the industry than praise for amazon.
She made the error of neglecting to go public.
We’re burning the wrong Amazon
I still find it crazy its a “request for leave” which they can deny rather than “im not coming in today, I need to go to the hospital”
Request for leave is for longer term absence.
Still shitty
„I am not coming in until at least the xx.xx.xxxx as I am still sick.“
There you go. That’s how it works here. The employer can then collect the doctors confirmation online.
After six weeks it requires a bit more effort, as the employer no longer needs to pay wages and you need to apply for sick pay from the insurance, which is 70% for up to a year and a half.
The very thought of an employer not allowing you to be sick is just ridiculous.
This is one of those open and shut FMLA violations that even shitty companies can’t get away with though and they know it.
The lady will be canned one way or another once they get back to the office because they violated some bullshit policy about how you can’t talk to the press or some bullshit. Will probably take a couple months and involve a PIP for “poor performance”
Very few Amazon warehouse workers qualify for FMLA. They intentionally have a system designed to use up people and spit them out in just under a year so they don’t qualify.
There are entire industries of low-skill jobs that intentionally try to keep worker retention low to keep from having to comply with labor laws.
If she’s been there less than a year or worked under a certain number of hours in the last year she doesn’t even qualify for FMLA.
Appropriate, as Amazon is one of the major companies trying to have the NLRB,which gives unions a modicum of pushback against corps, declared “unconstitutional”. Id expect a full press on that in the fist year if successful, id expect major portions of the NLRA itself to be targeted.
Lots of blood and sweat and tears of the 19th and 20th century being washed away right now that will have to be shed again to get these rights back.
I’m pretty sure this is D.O.G.E. main goal
Even if it’s a weird computer or paperwork fluke, it’s emblematic of the company, so there’s no version of this where they don’t go fuck themselves.
As soon as I read “Alabama”, somehow the rest of the news became unsurprising.
Same but “Amazon”.
From the article:
“The Amazon warehouse where she works originally denied her request for a leave of absence, but the company said in a statement Friday that they’ve since spoken with her and given her time off with pay.
“We wish her a full recovery and look forward to welcoming her back to work once she’s able,” said Amazon spokesperson Kelly Nantel.
Yep, all you need to get reasonable time off is for your specific plight to make national news…
I feel like a good bit of people don’t understand how FMLA worksI actually dont know how FMLA works and have been corrected, apologies lol.
An FMLA violation would be dependent on if the FMLA claim was even opened which usually falls on an insurance agency not your company. You can’t violate something that hasn’t happened yet, right? A request for time off is not the same as using time available on an intermittent or continuous FMLA claim. No one has an intermittent claim for medical leave in case they are shot and hit by a truck lol
So even in a normal circumstance of not being shot say you’re taking care of an individual at home. You open an FMLA claim. But you still have to call off. You try and call off but it’s denied because Ricky the dick from packaging is already off. Well you’re obviously not going in so you get points either through an automated process or a supervisor with no spine that won’t exercise discretion in the name of floor coverage. In the meantime you call your insurance agency responsible for your company’s FMLA claim handling and they process your claim. Once your claim is approved by a case manager and supporting documents then your points go away and you can choose to consume paid time off or have excused unpaid absences and any point accumulated from this leave is negated.
This tweet was captured on 1/3/25. Today is 1/4/25. Claims do not process this quickly to have the potential of being violated.
No. Your insurance company doesn’t have to file an FMLA claim. You request the forms from HR and then your physician(s) complete the paperwork. Insurance has nothing to do with it. You may be confusing FMLA with long or short term disability insurance. FMLA is unpaid leave for family/medical reasons. Short or long term disability insurance would pay part of your wages for a medical leave. It is completely separate from filing for the FMLA leave which is what was denied by Amazon.
talk about me being confidently incorrect huh? i definitely confused the two.
Don’t feel bad, if they wanted people to use it they’d have made it easy to use.
FMLA is a federal and state right. It protects your job for situations like this. If it’s denied the job is no longer protected. I deal with it all the time.
You can’t make this shit up. Reality is so horrible, especially with mega corporations.
