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Because he’s done more to fix our healthcare system than any politician.
I wouldn’t say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.
This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump’s cabinet picks.
as we just elected them
That’s because the system is rigged. We can only ever choose between one rich person and another.
You can’t compare Harris and Trump in that regard whatsoever
thats one of the main regards in which they can be compared as similar
Similar in the sense that one has an estimated net worth of three hundred times as much as the other.
Both are equally in the realm of “rich” when compared to people living paycheck to paycheck.
they are both rich as fuck and both help their billionaire friends scam people out of their insurance money.
I mean, Anthem did back down from that stupid policy about time limit anesthesia
To fix is not the same thing as fixed. He’s done more towards fixing the problem. This said, it’s very important to reiterate, as you have, that nearly NOTHING hss still been accomplished.
We need more Luigis for some more fixing.
He can fix us.
No shit… The gaping hole is the fact rich fucks are all we have to vote for. The President that recently won is the biggest example of undeserved wealth and power ever.
Tell ya what. I’m struggling to make rent right now. Working 6 days a week, living alone, just keeping my head above water.
2028, everybody vote for me, and I’ll run on the platform of giving rich people the middle finger.
Like Robin Hood…except vulgar.
You have my vote
And my axe!
You can’t afford to even run. You gonna start a gofundme?
Robin Fucking Hood? RFH!!! It has s ring! Sure I’ll vote for you!
If someone ran for governor of NY on a platform of giving Luigi a full pardon, they would win in a landslide.
In theory, couldn’t Luigi run for president from jail?
In theory, yes!
Yeah. And at this point he could win.
You are delusional if you think that elections are not just a horse race for the rich and that common people have any power. If common people interests were what drives elections you would have had free healthcare, free education, worker right and more like a century ago.
Eh, feels very populist and single issue. What’s your plan for healthcare like?
Give it to the people who need it.
Tbf whatever they come up with will most likely be better than whats currently happening.
You could invent a better political system by tattooing every political idea onto your skin and passing whichever words get zits into law, so obviously it goes without saying
I’d vote for you. Especially if by middle finger you mean 90% top marginal tax rate.
You won me over
We need to bring back “No taxation without representation” because rich fucks sure as hell can’t fairly represent the rest of us.
Well you see the problem is that its ‘no taxation for the represented’ oops.
This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.
This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”
This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.
This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.
No I didn’t read the article.
The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.
Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.
As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
Just curious, what do you mean by “gun arguments aside”?
I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.
Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.
I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn’t mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.
Shit, now I’m wondering. I’m talking about the pseudo apologetic one that talks about printing the gun. Not being the best person to decide this, etc.
Oh, I think that’s the real one. Really short, only mentions CAD instead of actually printing the gun, and refers to Moore who can explain things better.
On that note, Moores reaction is interesting.
For sure, I thought the same thing.
Sure. Can you explain why this guy gets charged with terrorism, but school shooters and Jan 6ers don’t?
Perception management, probably. I thought terrorism applied to upsetting state entities not private ones. How, by any stretch of the imagination, is a private health insurance company part of the United States government? It’s bizarre. Jan 6 would fall under that umbrella for sure.
What do you think?
My thoughts is they’re making an example of him because he went after the true ruling class - CEOs. And the Jan 6 ers went after “the help” so the cops don’t care. Just like when the children of the masses are gunned down in schools. Get a school shooter at the private academy the president’s kids all attend and suddenly the ruling class will care.
“The help”. That deserves more attention.
I’ve been surprised by how many people are celebrating this guy. Just goes to show how strongly the contempt is felt for the American healthcare system.
I think it’s more about class warfare than healthcare specifically. All my European friends are cheering him on too despite not experiencing hardship with healthcare
Everyone in Canada here loves him too. It’s absolutely about class warfare.
I mean…that doesn’t count. Canada loves EVERYODY. It’s the Mr Rodgers of countries. Not that that’s a bad thing. I’m just saying it carrys about as much weight as your grandma pinching your cheek and saying you’re the MOST handsome boy.
You should pay more attention to history. Specifically the wars we have been in…
Lol you should ask Indians how they are being treated in Canada right now
Which Indians, the answer would probably be the same though.
We refer to first nations as indigenous in canada
Aside from the fact that you just offered a stereotype as an argument, you didn’t even get the stereotype right. Canadians don’t love everyone. Canadians are nice. That’s the stereotype.
And we aren’t even nice. We are just spineless and struggle with honesty. It’s all just for show
I’ve now lived long enough to actually meet a couple of Canadian assholes. They exist.
Are you saying I’m not nice :(
…stereotype?
See Starlight Tours for an insight into friendly Canadian police :/
lol we don’t love everyone. Ask a Canadian how they feel about Americans.
My girlfriend was very much in the club of “murder is bad no matter what” until I explained exactly why a health insurance CEO would be targeted.
I’ve been really wrestling with my own anti-violence and the now-obvious fact that violence gets results.
Violence, bribery and blackmail.
Europeans are famously derisive of the American healthcare system though, so for whatever reason they seem to care specifically about his impact on that. I think in general America looms large around the world, economically, militarily, culturally. And certainly online. Having something to feel superior about seems to provide a channel for pent up frustration or resentment. Because believe me there’s no other reason for Europeans to care as much as they do about how much my healthcare costs.
As an American: it’s absolutely both.
the American
healthcarewealthcare systemWhen you remember when “pre-existing conditions” was a thing until Obama stopped it and the fear that it will be allowed again, you absolutely are not going to shed a damn tear. If you really want to be depressed, watch Sicko by Michael Moore. Things have changed a little bit since then, but the attitude of the insurance and big pharma have absolutely not. The no surprises act that went in this year was another step forward, but who knows how long it will stick. People still go to other countries to get medical procedures and medication. People still go bankrupt from medical bills. People still have to spend hours on the phone begging some underpaid drone to get them healthcare because what your doctor says you need is overriden by a fucking corporation.
Some comments from Michael Moore yesterday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/12/16/michael-moore-response-united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione/77020835007/
the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.
Timing: 10/10
Execution: 9/10
Target 10/10
Style: 10/10
We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren’t as common but it is what it is.
the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.
Too bad that’s not trump :(
With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don’t change much, you might create a public outrage, but it’s like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.
Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.
It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man’s freedom for this.
No no, I didn’t say I wish for him to be shot - that’s for separate discussion - I just wish he was the most unloved. Daydreaming…
The key is to publicly wish for his death in a way that no person could actually carry out. Then it’s not a death threat. Wish for him to get cancer. Wish for him to have a heart attack. Wish for him to die from auto-erotic asphyxiation. Wish for him to be struck by lightning. Wish for a giant sinkhole to open up directly beneath his feet, swallow him whole, and close up behind him, as if Hell itself reached up to finally claim him, the Devil finally collecting on some contract signed long ago.
It’s not a death threat if you ask God or the Devil to do the dirty work for you!
I wish 10,000 dolphins dived into his asshole and he exploded with his entrails covering all of congress.
Exactly!
Oh, my bad, sorry! I’m with you on this one.
I don’t know. Trump is special. I’m hoping more "divine smiting’ for him. For a man that so seems to have the Devil’s charisma behind him, what more fitting end could there be than to die by lightning strike?
Him being forced to actually work at McDonald’s to pay for his own rent and food.
But I will accept prison the rest of his life as a consolation prize.
Walking the plank or hanged by the city wall maybe?
I’d like to see him kerb stomped for about 35 minutes. If anyone is taking requests.
Don’t give up hope. He’s had 3 attempts already, hoping #4 is a better shot
If we were the principled society we pretend to others that we are, we would prefer 100 ceos to 1 Sandy Hook. CEO’s would be all for it as well.
But capitalism doesnt breed a lot of impulses to sacrifice for the greater good. “eff those peasants” is practically explicitely baked into it.Personally I would appreciate the irony of school shooters instead going after gun manufacturer executives. I like my justice delivered ironically.
Execution: 9/10
Apart from the fact that he was caught by sitting in a public place and getting recognized, rather than laying low and staying out of public view for a while.
Assuming it’s actually Luigi. Not sure there’s even definitive proof yet.
I wonder. I still talk about snowden being a hero and I get some yahoo arguing with me. heroes of the millenia.
Snowden was a hero. Though, seeing him endorse RFK Jr. was a little questionable.
the pardon talk may have influenced him on that.
Snowden, and Greenwald by extension, are perfect examples of how being right about one thing doesn’t make someone right about everything. I also have serious problems with how Snowden chose to whistleblow, though the actual whistleblowing was necessary.
Definitely made a deal with the devil. I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in his shoes though, and I’m as anti-Russia as they come.
There were a lot of options for non-extradition before Russia. Even the route he took when he fled doesn’t make a ton of sense unless he’s selling the information to America’s security competitors. My guess is he genuinely believed in leaking the information and he got paid to do it by one or more foreign countries.
I’m beyond fuzzy on the details. I’ll have to read a refresher honestly.
Well the US made a sovereign country president plane land with a threat they will shoot it down then grabbed out the president of a sovereign country from his plane and searched the plane for Snowden. There are probably 3 countries in the world the US wouldn’t do this to: China, Russia and Israel. So no, Snowden didn’t have much choice.
Shit. Thanks for the heads up. Still a hero even if he makes mistakes. Must be hard keeping up with stuff across the world.
Yeah Snowden disclosed important information in a responsible way; I don’t question his intentions. Assange on the other hand…
That will be much more relevant in the coming days. Remember, autocrats give no fucks about even pretending to not be doing those things.
What about decepticons?
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true. They may be trying to rewrite the legacy of the CEO, but he was not “one of the good guys”.
Although there is some crossover to the unibomber’s manifesto, in the sense that where this would have been the breaking point in societies of the past waiting for a revolution, the new means of control and technology is being used to keep it under control, from all sides, even and specially those that abused social networks to put Trump in power. Can’t have the status quo of “[I can] stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody [but not you]” challenged.
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true.
By my math, Brian Robert Thompson killed 40,000 people.
Yes and, board members are the ones enabling the CEOs. They need to be targeted as well.
There’s a lot of overlap.
In recent years, around 30% of newly appointed board members in the S&P 500 have been active or retired CEOs.
And:
CEOs and directors with financial backgrounds constitute 59% of the incoming class of S&P 500 directors…
Source, for whatever it’s worth. I admittedly just did a cursory Google search out of curiosity and that’s what popped up, but I had a feeling it’d be a significant percentage.
Yeah this may be a bit of a clumsy comparison but he’s giving me John Brown vibes.
My insurance company just sent me a completely coincidental survey about my views towards them. I’m looking forward to going off on them when I have a moment. I’m sure it won’t do much but at least it should be cathartic.
“How do you feel about our service, with 10 being the highest?”
doesn’t circle 1-10, instead writes in “I have a gun”
Just don’t talk to any police that may call or show up. Because even suggesting that you’re angry at them is enough to give them protection.
See, cops are trained, in basic training to believe that EVERY civilian IS a threat to them. The original idea I’m sure was meant to be more like “every civilian CAN BE a threat to you”. Which is actually true. It’s meant to be more like danger on the streets can come at any time. Instead, it’s now taught as in every single cop IS being targeted by every single civilian with death threats. Which just factually is not true.
But my brain has an overactive imagination. MY brain likes to take absurd concepts and flesh them out to their realistic natural conclusions. What WOULD happen if every civilian wanted to kill every cop? And the answer all depends how far the government wants to go to protect cops. Because without military intervention, the end result is a lot of dead civilians, but also EVERY cop being killed too. And if that happens, or even threatens to realistically happen, do the military get called in to keep the people in line? And how do they handle it?
And there are three outcomes.
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Military says fuck this, and doesn’t get involved.
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Military gets involved, but gets swallowed by the vast overwhelming numbers of civilians. Without a military in place, the USA falls to another power. Maybe even a new internal one.
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The military treats the usa as a police state, and goes to war on itself. I’m talking full WWIII levels of violence. Atomic bombs, flame throwers, drones, they basically go scorched earth on itself.
And all of this can be completely sidetracked if the police don’t treat the people who’ve done nothing wrong as active threats.
What the shit, dude
My head is a very dark place where realism doesn’t die to protect the sugar coated mature of society.
Also, you don’t even WANT to know how life would turn out if cats suddenly gained the ability to talk. It would start would gender clashes among the poverty stricken, and would eventually turn into a world where chickens outnumber humans 100,000 to 1, but they’re just the pawns in the food wars. Shit gets real.
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I need deets on the chicken thing, NGL
As deranged as YaBoiBeefcat, but with better grammar.
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Reminder that Luigi didn’t do it
We support him, even if he’s innocent.
Luigis can’t melt steel beams?
I’m from Australia and I’m quite obsessed with this, so it’s a pretty global feeling.
Am from Germany. I want them to know this is what happens if they ever take our health care away. Pry it from my cold dead hands and all that. Luigi is a hero!
I think for those of us who have universal healthcare, it still has the David vs Goliath appeal.
I’m not from Australia, but every Australian I’ve ever interacted with has been good people.
…so I don’t think your username is apt.
You can be a dumbass and a good person! Cheers for the compliment, but it’s a pretty apt description of me a lot of the time lol.
Will it? I’m already sensing it dying down. I think we need a refresher.
I feel like many people are secretly hoping for a refresher. Nobody just wants to say it out loud.
We need another dead CEO.
I assume that means you agree
Ayup, just couldn’t think of a witty caption so I invoked the Spirit of the Meme.
We’ve had one dead ceo, yes… But what about second dead ceo?
It’s interesting how memes took on different meanings depending on the community you were in when you initially saw it. Some of them are pretty globally recognized, and others are more vague.
I wonder how older ones will transform in a decade or so.
Overly attatched girlfriend just looks like a cute girl. Meanwhile the little girl who burned down that house is going to college. Reminding you just how old you are.
Oh look, it got said outloud.
eats popcorn
Someone should do a second CEO assassination but this time maybe the oil industry so they know that no CEO is safe.
Orrrrr…what if we got a casket industry ceo…you know. For the hilarious irony.
Big Casket is ripping people off with their over priced coffins.
This was already famously a problem back in the times of The Lebowski
Social media companies have been removing pro-Luigi content and people with big built up accounts are worried that too many violations of site standards could get their accounts killed.
I just saw the news that they’ve charged him with terrorism. It’s like they want to keep the outrage going, and give the jury a reason to acquit.
Not guilty. You can only murder human beings. Brian Robert Thompson willingly relinquished his humanity a long time ago. What Luigi did was more akin to using bleach to treat mold in the bathroom. Killing a living thing? Yes. Murder? Certainly not.
Daniel Jackson: It’s obviously fighting to survive.
O’Neill: So do bacteria!
Oh, one Luigi damaged your world? Institute health care reform, or we’ll send dozens of them, one after the other!
God. How was SG1 so damn good? Every few years I do a rewatch of the whole franchise. It’s a masterpiece.
Trek is my usual background show but I’m currently on a SG1 rewatch. It’s funny to see so many people from Trek show up in various roles, I think Hammond of Texas would fit perfectly as a statue in front of Starfleet Academy as a model of humanity’s ideals regarding exploration of the stars. Given access to advanced healing technology, both O’Neill and O’Brien would be busting heads to ensure everyone got a fair shake, they’d both despise a CEO like this one
My theory is that once you have a role as a main character in Star Trek, you’re pretty much stuck in sci fi. The exception to this is if you were already a well established actor prior to Trek. So Patrick Stewart could go back to high theatre, but Colm Meaney ended up mugging Atlantis for a little C4.
Ha! I’d forgot about that one, my favorite role of his outside engineering was the DEA asshole in Con Air who gets his sweet Corvette stolen in epic fashion
I think the Venn of actors doing sci fi shows and actors in the Vancouver area is pretty close, same with how every British show has at least one person from another. Some obviously like the genre, and who wouldn’t?
They can charge him with whatever they want. Proving it to a jury is a whole other thing.
They’ve charged Brian Thompson with terrorism for what he did - or at least caused - to tens of thousands of people each year?
Finally they start to make sense!18 people died since you made this comment due to UHC greed.
Most life insurance policies don’t cover acts of terrorism.
I’m just saying…
Mangione has tapped into something most Americans share: a deep hatred of our health insurance system and of the profiteers who seem so indifferent to our suffering and death. He has still not been mentioned by Donald Trump, who must realize that Mangione’s fandom has no political boundaries.
Wow even DT can’t touch this
Hopefully he’s the first of hundreds.
DDD
DDD
444
Out of curiosity I looked up “444” and there’s a bunch of links saying it means a guardian angel. Appropriate?
4 is avoided in Chinese and Japanese. Although contextually its not too far off the mark in this case.
in JP, 4 sounds like ‘shi’, meaning death. 43 sounds like the word for ‘stillbirth’. (‘shi’ also means particle, or also emoticon) In China, 4 = ‘death’, 14 = ‘must die’, 24 = ‘easy to die’
Yes, but for reasons I don’t remember at the moment, “444” is considered joyful laughter, not danger. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
So we have guardian angel, “death”, and “joyful laughter” associated with 444, that all fits.
It sounds like what you’re reading is an “angle number.” I’m not sure if that’s what’s referenced above.
People love a martyr. Our man Luigi has become one, and it’s exactly what the cause has needed.
Those of us with UHC will not forget. I spent 2 years trying to get mental health help through UHC.
But will it be sustained? Or burn out?
Mainstream media will try to move it to the next news cycle to be forgotten. We will keep the flame lit ourselves.
I can’t speak for everyone. All I know is that every time I notice the deduction in my paycheck that’s going toward my health insurance, I’ll be thinking of this. Same with when I have to pay a co-pay despite having said-insurance. Or when I get a text from the urgent care, months after my visit, telling me I still have “a balance” to resolve…
Really, there is no shortage of reminders for many of us. As long as the system keeps squeezing us, we will have plenty of reminders.
Quest diagnostics wouldn’t let my phlebotomist do the digital part of my bloodwork until I paid my debt to them. She tried everything, and their software locked her out. She was getting quietly furious as she messed with her computer while apologizing to me.
I’ll be thinking about that everytime I need healthcare.
Oh and just so everyone knows, Quest Diagnostics has been in federal court for Medicaid fraud several times and yet their allowed to keep operating. But its definitely “unnecessary care” driving up healthcare costs
https://bergermontague.com/quest-diagnostics-pay-1-79-million-settle-false-claims/
Literally paid an ER bill, then months later got a bill for the exact amount I paid on the night I was there. I’m just not paying medical bills anymore fuck this. Make it make sense.
Well, something isn’t going to stop burning. Remember, when Brian Robert Thompson hit the pavement, he didn’t stop falling. He fell, and fell, and fell, right into the gaping maw of the Pit of Hell itself.
The man died utterly unrepentant for mass murder. On the morning of his death, he was on his way to a conference, a conference where he planned to openly celebrate the record profits he earned from all the people he killed.
If that isn’t enough to Damn a soul for all eternity, I don’t know what is.
I’m not hopeful it will, especially since the U.S. has already gone back to killing children instead.
