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Summary
Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.
Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.
Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.
Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.
Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.
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Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was ‘immune’ to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. “Go to the fair and there’s a chance he catches it.” Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.
So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn’t vote in the US are starting to realise what they’ve done.
and then spread to the world
But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.
Enjoy your wiggly kids Republicans
99 dead kids in the ground,
99 dead kids
Remove a vaccine, no longer to be found
999999999 dead kids in the ground
It’s interesting to see how much he will fuck up the country. I mean, terrifying, of course, but interesting too.
Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That’s crazy. Good luck America.
If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad
If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster
Holy shit, is this for real?
Why the fuck are people still surprised?
It’s been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.
It seems like every horrible thing about Trump never gets any attention because of the other horrible things about Trump.
Make infanticide numbers great again
I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don’t know how to salvage someone like that.
Unfortunately, the majority of them are incapable of that regret (or at least admitting it).
You have to age them out there’s no other way, their brains are rot.
I don’t think this is going to work. There are just as many younger trump/cultist/conservative voters now as there have been. Church attendance is not falling off and megachurches are getting more and more popular. People have been saying the same thing about the right-wing die-off as long as I’ve been a voter, and as much as I’d love to see it, I don’t see it happening.
Church attendance is not falling off
It is, but far too slowly.
And it’s falling off faster in the more moderate churches than it is in the noisy evangelical megachurches
I’ll sound like Google, but I think you’d like The Brainwashing of my Dad.
I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/
It’s scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump’s tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I’ve had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you’d be surprised how much success you can have.
This is true in my experience. People are extremely mimetic and validation driven. If someone respects you, they listen and imitate. It can actually be frustrating to me as an adult, because I don’t find the aphorism “imitation is the finest form of flattery” to be flattering in many cases. It can start to look manipulative or lazy when it’s middle-aged adults floundering for approval.
But your point stands: respect is an effective platform from which to share ideas. So many folks close off their minds, because they are lonely or otherwise insecure. If you can positively move either of those needles, they listen. From there, the only question is whether they truly internalize the idea, or whether they are chasing the feels of socialization.
I would never discourage anyone from trying this, but do you think people haven’t already? Most of these people are lost. Their brains have been turned to mush. This shit does not work on them.
This is correct, I use this method a lot in my work with the disabled. Often with clients that struggle with mental health, it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
The easiest way is to empathize with <negative thought or feeling> acknowledging it as worthy of the space it’s taking up and offering up something related that I might worry about. Then redirect with a similar subject, but framed in a way that gives more power over it. Maybe a news article that pointed out how <related thing> is being solved by someone, or overcome, or even simply made fun of.
If you can laugh at something for being ridiculous it has less power.
You don’t need to change their belief in <negative thought or feeling> you just need to redirect it and reframe it, they will then have a different mental relationship with it later, and over time change.
it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
So much this! I used to be a Trump supporter myself and I’ve made some people angry because of my previous political views. I got yelled at for what I said. Even though in hindsight their reaction was somewhat justified all that did was reinforce my views and dig a deeper hole.
Wow! Thanks for the link. You’ve brightened my evening a bit.
“trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr.”
We’re gonna party like it’s 1899
Covid was just a warmup
Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.
To be fair, the price of eggs will likely be more affected by bird flu which will spread uncontrollably, since Trump will abolish all common sense regulations.
But what about the price of pre sliced cheese?
Not to worry, they will probably come up with a near total ban on abortions and birth control, and then there’ll be that many more children, so that enough of them can survive to become wage slaves for the billionaire class.
They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.
As is tradition!
As long as the liberals kids die too they’re fine with it.
Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It’s the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.
All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?
Doesn’t matter if enough people aren’t vaxed for herd immunity
How does that help them? It’s a vaccine. If just you have yours, it doesn’t work very well. It still helps some and objectively improves things so it’s still a good idea, but it’s not like having it when everybody does their job.
You are thinking like someone who gives a damn about other humans. Yes, everyone benefits when everyone who is able to gets the shot and we can keep the overall spread down.
But what if you are the type of person who thinks that everything is a zero-sum game, and you’re not really a winner unless you have more than the other guy? What advantage is there to you, personally, if everyone benefits? It’s much better if you get the benefits, and people you hate do not.
Who exactly do you think voted for Trump? lmao
I feel bad saying this, but part of me wonders if this is what they need. A real wake up call, a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get if you throwaway the guardrails in place that was there to keep the very government in check and allow them to outright eat the poor to supplement the rich.
I just hope it doesn’t destroy the country before they realise what’s taken from them.
These are not people who will learn from experience. They’ll just look for more scapegoats.
a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get
How many people died from Covid from refusing to wear masks and refusing to get vaxed during Trump? Then Trump claimed credit for getting the vaccine made.
Yet here we are.
I have a deep yearning for this to happen. But logically I find it far more likely that they’ll just blame anything going wrong on Biden and Obama initiatives.
With the Supreme Court in play, They might just start locking up people for criticizing the government. It’ll be fake news soup to nuts
The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.
That’d be fine if they weren’t dragging the rest of the world along with them.
A wise man once said - never go full retard.
Words to live by.
Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can’t read or just don’t care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.
Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can’t hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.
End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don’t force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.
Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.
Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can’t get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don’t have a gun to protect yourself.
I’m could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800’s where the rich control and own everything.
Don’t let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It’s just that one side doesn’t give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.
I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn’t free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.
Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
- Thomas Jefferson
He wanted to kill patriots?
No, what he meant is that tyrants die when toppled in revolutions and patriots die in the process toppling tyrants. Thus for liberty to thrive both are sacrificed.
Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for thefirst2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it’s parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.First time in history? Did we forget about the Herman Cain awards already?
You are right, it already happened during Covid. I made an edit.
Ubekibekibekibekibekistanstan
Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.
Was cool while it lasted.
