this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That’s how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they’ve had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see… Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas
No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.
Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.
“It’s a big club, and she’s in it.”
Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.
A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.
If you think either party under it’s current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you’re deluding yourself.
The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)
Universal healthcare is not a newly proposed issue, either. Going at least as far back to FDR’s administration, his Secretary of Labor (and architect of The New Deal) Frances Perkins even advocated for public healthcare.
I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.
Maybe if she gets a few felonies.
Hey, here’s a thought. You know about the guy that shot a parasite in NY? AOC could try that too. She’d need enough vocal (and armed) popular support to avoid conviction (and retaliatory assassination) and it might turn into a civil war, but it might also work.
you are playing into eurasias plan wtih a civil war.
Too late, we’re already in it and pretending it hasn’t happened yet.
Ideally, the support would be so overwhelming that it doesn’t come to actual protracted violent conflict. But if the alternative is an erosion of civil rights by a greedy oligarchy, I have little faith that they’d actually oppose “eurasias plan” either, so it doesn’t seem like there’s much to lose here.
you mean the oligarchs that exist in Russia today?
Sure, if that’s what you want to look at for comparison, though America has plenty of its own (as do other nations). Pretty sure extreme wealth knows no allegiance but to itself. Nations are pawns to them, nationality a way to draw lines, nationalism a way to make people fight over those lines instead of fighting the vampires making bank off of that conflict.
Whether you’ll end up under Russian exploitation, American exploitation, European exploitation, Chinese exploitation or literally any other oligarchy you could come up with doesn’t really matter.
Better to fight for a chance at freedom than fall for the deception that a particular flag makes one parasite better than the other. And if it should come to violence, maybe it will at least train a force of veteran resistance fighters if the eurasian powers come knocking. We’ve got a live demonstration of how a motivated resistance can give an imperialist invader a hard time.
War is a waste of lives and resources and regrettable in any circumstance. I hope that changes for the better can happen without resulting in bloodshed and destruction. I hope for a better, happier, more prosperous future for all of us.
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Burn the Democratic party to the ground. Their complicity has resulted in this state of affairs.
none of the contemporary democrats have experience fighting fascists.
usually because they don’t recognize their financial advisors as being fascists
“I’m probably going to die before my term is over, but I need to ratfuck the next generation of politicians so fascists get even more chance at fucking over more Americans.”
Might as well just vote yes on everything Trump says, Pelosi.
Bingo
No surprise there.
Establishment Democrats would rather have power held by Republicans than by progressive Democrats.
And AOC has been kowtowing to Pelosi for the last few years in hopes of going along to get along. Hopefully this will wake up progressive Democrats to realize they will never be accepted by corporate Democrats, no matter how much they move to the right to appease them.
AOC 2028.
I wish people would stop saying this. She would lose. I like her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she is not going to be president.
She’s a real feisty one who’s only willing to go so far into being “corporate.” With the inevitable loss of Bernie, she will become the most recognized face of progressives in Congress. Her sharp tongue and wit, combined with an excellent ability to get her points made succinctly would serve her well in any attempt to run. She’s more lively and personable than Harris ever was.
I’d say she has an excellent shot at the White House if she so chooses.
Why would she lose?
The normies would project whatever fantasy they want onto her, and she’s hot so it could be positive delusions.
She’s also brown, a liberal, and from New York. Even if she had the cure for cancer White America would rather crucify themselves than let her become president.
See, this is why I don’t buy the “Harris lost because she’s a woman of color” crap. Centrists don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, and it has the added bonus of being an excuse to shut out AOC.
She didn’t, we know why she lost. The number one issue in polling was the economy and she didn’t convince people she was better on the issue. It turns out that saying nothing will change while homelessness is at a record high (since the Great Depression), and groceries have double or tripled in prices in a couple years is not a winning message with the working class.
Well, now we’ll all get to find out what happens when someone fucks it up as hard as possible instead of just doing nothing.
Why would she lose?
I mean, there is no way she would get through the primaries. The party would disband before running a progressive for president.
Everyone says that can’t happen until it happens. We’re getting very close to the era of millennial dominance
Do tell. Which dull advocate for an untenable status quo should we run instead?
I’m not them and I’d happily campaign my ass off for AOC, but I expect Whitmer. Who I’d take over the likes of Shapiro or Newsom any day.
I didn’t say AOC wasn’t the best person for the job, only that she won’t win. If I had a better answer, I would gladly offer it up. That said, I’ll keep voting as progressive as i can.
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Conventional logic also said Trump would loose but here we are.
Fuck Nancy Pelosoi and fuck corporate-owned democrats, and fuck the DNC.
All comes down to $$$
AOC is fine when she’s getting trotted out on Twitch-Plays-Pokemon to beg for dollars. But actually giving her power? Fuck that. No business interest would ever donate to the party again if they thought she was what they’d be buying into.
You’re… not making me say fuck the DNC any less with this comment, I hope you realize.
No. But its worth understanding why AOC has survived in her seat longer than Cori Bush or Jamal Bowman did. She’s been following the Sanders entryist playbook, thinking she can eventually get a seat at the table. But every two years, she gets played as a sucker - raising the party a ton of money, then getting stuffed back into the box when her usefulness has passed.
Bush and Bowman couldn’t bring in that kind of coin, so they’ve been punted from the organization and replaced with more doctrinaire loyalists. AOC gets to hold her seat just so long as she finds enough people to keep bankrolling the consultant fees.
At some point, she needs to recognize she’s being strung along or she just becomes another part of the problem.
Didn’t Harris bring in half a B with non-corporate donations within a few weeks of getting the nomination?
non-corporate donations
She unlocked hundreds of millions from bundlers who’d been sitting on the sidelines due to Biden’s tanking poll numbers. But this was money Biden should have already raised up until Harris entered the race. He just wasn’t in a fit mental state to be phone banking and glad handing the big money, like he’d managed back under the Obama campaigns.
Biden actually raised $3.2B back in 2020, thanks to his fundraising network. That he and Harris barely got over a billion (a number Obama matched back in 2008) suggests a huge draw back in support over Biden’s four years as president.
Wow I can’t seem to figure out why Democrats keep losing elections
Because of course she is.
The “Lessor evil” party folks.
I mean… Yes. They are less evil. Way less evil. It’s not even close.
Pelosi is a giant piece of shit, but she doesn’t make the top 75% of conservatives.
Also AOC is a goddamn gem. Conservatives have previously zero of those.
Are Democrats anywhere near where I want to be? No. But I can’t see how anyone could say they’re the same.
There is a seemingly, almost intentional obtuseness to internal criticisms of the DNC from folks on the part of Democrats.
Fundamental to why the right has been able to organize a fascist takeover of this nation is actions like this from the Democratic party. Fascism in this country wouldn’t be ascendant if the DNC didn’t rat-fuck Bernie, twice. Health care CEO’s wouldn’t be getting gunned down in the street if the DNC forced M4A instead of the corporate sellout of Obamacare in 2016. Trump would not have won if Democrats had focused their efforts and spent their political capitol on issues that would make a fundamental difference in peoples lived experience in the period of 2021-2024. We wouldn’t be in this position if Democrats didn’t slow walk the prosecution of Donald Trump, effectively sitting on their hands until an election year to start taking action.
The state of this country is a direct consequence of the managerial class politics, which is all that the DNC has come to represent in a post 2024 world. They enable and empower the ratchet effect that allows the rightwing to become more and more fascist, because they are only ever willing to be a lessor evil.
All of this
IAWTP
They’re rich and using rich advisors from the corporate executive sector. Is it any wonder they act like they don’t care about the working class and don’t care if Trump wins? They probably don’t believe he will do half the stuff he says he’s going to do. They’re used to losing and making millions of dollars off GOP trickle down policies. Crying right into their bank accounts. This is why we need more people from the working class in Congress. Why we need to uncap the House of Representatives. If we let the House of Representatives float a ratio like we used to a couple things happen. One, we can have cheaper, smaller campaigns that aren’t off limits to the working class. Two, we can further reduce the cost of running for office by using telework stuff. Anything classified can be done in any government building or military base that has access to the government’s secure intranet. This isn’t 1940 anymore, there is no more argument for freezing the number the seats in Congress.
Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.
You know she’s a great candidate for the people when her own party leaders don’t want her in power.
The Republican party didn’t initially want Trump. I don’t think your logic holds up.
And the Democratic establishment fucking LOVED Clinton and still do. She lost to Trump. Your logic is perfectly sound if you just want to lose.
I didn’t state any sort of logic… You are reading something I damn well never said.
I didn’t state any sort of logic…
If you want to admit that your comment has no logical underpinning, I’ll not disagree.
Because there wasn’t any logic. It only pointed out the flawed logic in the comment it was replying to. You’re acting like this is a gotcha when there is nothing there… It’s such a nonsensical thing to think that pointing out bad logic somehow means I support some other tangentially related thing.
Yet they quickly jumped on board and never took a stand against him. They are lock step now, so just because he didn’t get a warm welcome, they sure do love him now.
Sounds like an endorsement then… enemy of my enemy and all.
Funny that lemmy.world keeps whining about .ml types trying to get people not to vote when these fucking neoliberal ghouls are a better argument against it than anything they could ever say.
I vote Democrat because the other option is a Fascist, Democrats do this shit like breathing and it only makes me hate filling the bubble of “Not the open fascist party” party.
I’ve always wanted to ask how nice that sheriff was. I’ve read that he let you take visitors in his office and whatnot.
“We should do a post mortem but first, fuck you specifically AOC.”
goddamn nancy it’s going so well so far, keep squeezing it’s almost dead.
