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The “shift in votes” map on the NYT is INSANE.
The green arrows are absent
Link?
Biden can still execute him as official presidential order
I guess it’s confirmed. Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
a bad of rocks doesn’t have 34 felonies.
I guess people really do want fascism. We talk about it like it’s an obviously-awful thing, but apparently most Americans disagree. Most people around the world seem to disagree, in fact. We laugh about the idiots voting for Trump, but far right lunatics are gaining positions of power all over the planet. It’s not just Fox News-fed Americans.
It feels like we’re building up to something catastrophic.
Fox News is a vestige of the 20th century. Social media is the 21st century Fox News. Everyone knows it’s bad but we have not reckoned with it. Everyone agrees it’s bad then everyone returns to scrolling their echo chamber.
Unfortunately the social media oligarchs side with Trump. We’re all fucked.
The democracy voted. It is what it is.
They don’t see what he’s done and what he’s said. The people that put him over the edge this time were targeted for being ill-informed and tempted by magic wand campaign promises like “no tax on tips” or dumb things like gold sneakers. They aren’t watching informed news or doing research about his past performance. They’re simply voting on vibe alone and have been heavily targeted on social media to make them think everything sucks and he’s the only one who can fix everything when in fact he’s the complete opposite of them.
I can’t fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I’m completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.
I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.
Speaking of driving, that could be a protest measure. Super simple, super legal. Just obey all traffic laws, stay to the right, AND always drive 5 below the speed limit.
Sure it could elicit gunfire, vehicular assault, stalking. But the rear view mirror theater will be to die for.
Under trump i doubt much “freedom inhibiting” transit will be built. And bike lanes are ablist so they are gone. Sidewalks will be gone too as only “poor people” walk so why waste taxes on them. Hell, he might even rip out a railway to build a highway, cause that’s more american.
I’d be way more shocked if he somehow lost.
The dumb bastards just gave Gaza to Bibi and Ukraine to Putin. And that is just a small part.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Taiwan was next now
It will be. The orange shit stain and co. will hand that shit over in no time. I’m betting he’s going to leak military secrets as well because he’s a fucking idiot.
The next 4 years are going to be rough…and mark my words. Every dipshit that voted for him, will be blaming biden somehow for increased costs everywhere.
I don’t understand how this many people see everything that he’s done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don’t want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.
Because of Racism
Still, even the biggest racist should look at him and think: there has to be a better racist.
all that matters in their minds is that the worst white man is better than the best black woman
Aside from plant of other things that have already been said, a lot of people look at it as a team sport. They don’t see it as having real consequences.
From what I’ve seen it’s people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit.
In both cases Putin won.
Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven’t realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn’t afraid of breaking things along the way.
It’s just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it’s only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.
Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.
For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.
Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.
This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says “not like this” is irrelevant.
They’re all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren’t in it.
Important to note here, the status quo is the status quo for a reason. Incremental evidence based change happens slowly. It cannot happen fast, and that’s good. Slow is stable. The clear vision is “the system we have but marginally better tomorrow. And then the day after tomorrow, marginally better than that.” It’s foolish to vote for anyone who promises drastic change, left, right, up, or down. It’s a trick. It’s like changing 5 variables at once in a science experiment and expecting any sort of result better than random chance. We don’t have a perfect system but rolling the dice on a wannabe fascist dictator is obviously not the way forward if you have two brain cells to run together, but an alarming amount of people seem to just not get it.
Just look at history though and you’ll see that most significant changes (both bad and good) happen abruptly and it’s often a bit messy.
Unfortunately it’s just the way that humans work
Exactly. It’s like the (apocryphal?) quote.
There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.
That’s only helpful if you feel like there have actually been improvements over the last few years/decades.
A lot of people feel like crime is constantly rising, morals in general are not being valued anymore and that the economy is constantly in decline. Mixed with a widespread believe that most politicians are bought anyways.
These feelings aren’t rooted in facts but they are there and they make it difficult to simultaneously believe in gradual improvement.
Well, they’re certainly going to get change, that’s for sure. I hope they’re happy sleeping in the bed they made.
No, they won’t. Like it happened in 2020. The problem is that there might not be another chance to rectify this if project 2025 can truly happen.
No, they won’t.
There’s certainly going to be change, just not the change any sane person actually wants.
As republicans taking even more from the playbooks of Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin, they’re going to be told it were the Mexicans, China, the LGBTQ+ agenda, women, neomarxists, etc, that shit the bed, not them.
They will be very unhappy about it. And they will look to Trump to tell them who to blame for it. And they will someday die, self-righteous and ignorant of what they cost themselves.
From what I’ve seen it’s people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This. Both the Biden and Harris campaign were focused on “it’s not actually that bad, but it’ll be worse under Trump”. And for a lot of people, it IS that bad. All they heard from Harris was that it will be more of the same, and the same isn’t working for a lot of Americans.
Fair enough.
But what is it they heard from Trump, then? I can not understand Americans. They vote for a felon who can not make a coherent sentence. What kind of change they expect, exactly?
I mean, what kind of change a black person who voted from Trump expects, for example? I truly can not comprehend.
From what I gather, Trump has said basically everything in response to stuff, and people selectively hear or social media just filters through the message from him they want to hear.
Some of the stunts like swaying to music for 30 minutes and play-acting a McDonald’s worker make him look a bit cute and silly, but Harris isn’t held to even the same dimension of standards – by media, by voters and even by her own supporters.
There are hundreds of things Trump has done that would have tanked any other person’s campaign in the last 60 years. But his case is that he would do all of these things to somehow fix the country. He is selling fake snake oil solutions and people bought it hook line and sinker again.
Which was also influenced by russian campaigns
If that’s what they actually wanted they’d be progressives, instead of voting to take exactly the worst parts of the status quo and make them even worse.
It’s not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.
All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won’t call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don’t suck at all. They “reach across the aisle” to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn’t matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.
Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn’t any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only “alternative” game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.
I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it’s been 8 years. It’s long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.
100% this. And it frustrates me to no end because we’re having the exact same issue in Germany (although we’re still “behind” the US in the timeline). The extremist AfD has been gaining consistently over the past decade because they just present themselves as the alternative to everything establishment, so a lot of voters that are unhappy with the system for whatever reason flock to them (as one AfD politician put it, “the worse Germany is doing, the better for the AfD”). But instead of offering a different, more left-wing alternative to the status quo, all other major parties have been trying a centrist or even right-wing approach (e. g. the current government implementing hilariously useless stricter border controls), hoping to appeal to AfD voters by offering a watered-down version of their authoritarian agenda. And of course the outcome of this strategy is the same as in the US: The AfD just keeps on gaining ground.
Best take I’ve read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it’s all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy
completely agree. probably a lot disfranchised people have lost enough trust in the system to even vote. these people likely vote blue if they actually do something for them. why would they care trump is fascist when noone has addresses to their problems anyway.
Granted I don’t understand those people, but this difference between now and 2020 is lack of support for Harris, not increased support for Trump. I’ll add people sitting at home to the list of people I don’t want to associate with.
Trump is so far outperforming compared to 2020, its looking like he did increase his support. Definitely among younger people his numbers are significantly better than 2020.
No he isn’t. 71 million votes this year. 74 million in 2020. When the tally is done, at absolute best he matches his old performance within a percent or so, and that’s unlikely.
To be fair, at least 50% of the human population is evil. They always have been! That’s why we had 10,000 years of slavery, feudalism, pyramid schemes, religion. Every nasty thing you can imagine.
I agree that people are stupid for not understanding how terrible Trump was and will be. However, I think a big problem was that the DNC didn’t provide an attractive alternative to excite these dummies.
There was very obviously support for Harris early on when the DNC made some progressive decisions. Getting rid of Biden was a progressive choice. Choosing Tim Walz was a progressive choice. The DNC was immediately rewarded for these progressive choices with $1 billion in small donor donations.
The DNC got arrogant and decided to aggressively move in a conservative direction. Harris started talking about how she would build the wall and prosecute immigrants. The DNC welcomed the Cheneys with open arms. Harris told interviewers that she would be more conservative than Biden by accepting more Republicans in her Cabinet.
The DNC actively threw away their progressive supporters and gained absolutely nothing in return because the voters they were courting would never have voted for Harris anyway. Racists gonna vote Trump. Moderate conservatives gonna secretly vote Trump. People who want Republicans in a Presidential Cabinet are obviously gonna vote Trump.
If the DNC just focused on stuff like being pro choice or going into detail about fighting price gouging, that would have been much more successful than trying to attract the mythical “Moderate Conservative”.
I hate to say it, but progressives lose in battleground states. Everyone dreaming of the DNC moving further left is just that—dreaming.
And I say that as a somewhat progressive person living in a battleground state. If you think a progressive is going to run up the votes in rural Pennsylvania, they aren’t.
And if this pisses you off, well, join the club.
Concur with you… And I live in CA where we do vote Democrat. While I would like to disagree, even Democrats I know veer away from politicians viewed as “too progressive”. They fear that true progressive agendas would alienate others within politics and result in nothing getting accomplished. For example, some love the idea of Bernie but believe hes too idealistic, “wishy washy” and that his plans are too. Too much for others within Congress to get on board and ally on the goals. If this is already coming from some Democrats in CA, I’m not surprised by swing states…
I 100% believe you. We may not like the reality but its there.
People thought that the Tea Party would drive away support for the GOP, but they got everything they wanted by being loud and demanding it from the GOP. Conservative voters get everything they want from the Republicans because they demand it. Meanwhile Democrats are constantly trying to snub the Progressives and leftists from the party and then except those snubbed groups to keep voting for them.
No, look at the polls. They absolutely support Trump.
They are morons.
Trump support increased on many levels.
Kamala had problems. But Trump is stronger than any of us are comfortable with.
No it didn’t. 74 million votes in 2020, currently at 71 million for 2024. At best he matches previous numbers and that’s unlikely. Are people just making shit up?
I think that for many of his voters, the system doesn’t work anymore for them. So they want it to change and they only see this change possible with Trump and Vance. Very sad.
Obviously the system doesn’t work for most people with wealth inequality increasing every year without exception and people needing 3 jobs to survive. As long as the system is set up such that there are 2 major parties that fight for media attention by begging for money from rich people there will be no improvement for the working class. The working class knows that and they feel that. However, with lying being so normalised on every news station it’s very difficult to point to the right cause, so people lash out and vote for the candidate that promises change instead of the same spiel.
And yet Trump is the party of more oligopoly and cronyism. Not less.
The is just more of the “drain the swamp” con. People didn’t learn.
Yes it is, but people see change there while the Dems offer none. The problem is that Democrats didn’t learn that continuing the slow neoliberal rot does not work, and both Republican and Democratic media outlets make sure no leftist alternative can gain momentum.
People want change, and the wealthy only allow change to the right. I wonder when will they realize wealth means jack shit without the rule of law.
It’s the ratchet effect. The GOP drives us further to the right while the DNC stop us from moving to the left.
So they want to change back to another shitty Trump presidency?
I believe so. He at least promises more system breaking in his unique way. I believe he will do what he said on the campaign including implementing project 2025 ideas.
But the people who voted for him, believe he will improve their situation, even if it means that it will get harder for them in the near term. I believe things won’t improve for these people.
As a non-american, this seems unsurprising. The Harris campaign seemed to be running the same playbook as the Clinton one did. The main reason anyone gave for voting for her was not being trump, effectively making her the satus quo candidate. If everything is shit for you under the current status quo, that doesn’t encourage you to vote for her.
Apparently it was the same faction of Dems behind her as the Clinton campaign. Nice job guys, thanks.
They like what he says and does. There’s nothing deeper, they’re not fooled, they’re not protest voting. A lot of people in germany liked Hitler, a lot of italians liked Mussolini, a lot of russians like Putin, a lot of americans like Trump.
I think most countries have like 20-30% of people who’d love a fascist leader. They’re why high-school bullies are popular rather than shunned for being anti-social. They’re fine with people getting hurt as long as they can imagine themselves part of the “strong” side, as that’s the only win and feeling of safety they get.
Why they’re closer to 50% in the US is a more interesting question
Wisdom will show you. I watch the democrats for the last 3 elections snuff out the popular vote. They tried to pull a fast one in this election and disrespected their voters. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but the democrats have the dirtier shirt for voter manipulation and suppression. This happened 2 times when Bernie Sanders was the popular vote. We didn’t even get to chose this last time.
Fuck right off with that shit. The “dirtier shirt” is the one that was worn storming the fucking capitol building.
I don’t know either. Maybe everyone should have did more to talk to their shitty parents but who could expect this much BS.
Youth vote leaned into Trump. It’s an across the board / demographics loss for Democrats.
You can’t blame this on the boomers. It wasn’t much leaning but Trump gained support here.
You need to just fully recognize that your brand of politics is falling apart and we need real answers in the next 4 years. It’s going to be even harder after the grifters have even more megaphones drowning out the truth
Trump provides no real answers, just grievances
That is more than the current Dems provide. If you feel you have no future, you will choose the fascist yelling it’s because of brown people over the idiot telling you that you are alright and this rot you’re in is fine.
Every one was focused on their parents we forgot our siblings and children.
For some, it’s just not paying attention and not being happy with the way things are going.
As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can’t believe you guys did it again.
I keep refreshing the page hoping for better results but I cannot believe my country is this fucking stupid
Hey now let’s not blame voters for their actions. There is exactly one acceptable blame target for anything and that’s obviously Democrats. Doesn’t matter the topic, it’s always the fault of Democrats. No matter what
We can’t either
Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they’d go back for seconds. Despicable.
Doesn’t help they ran an unpopular candidate. I voted for Harris but too many racist sexiest people in America in both parties. Hell I heard democrats that joked when they voted for Obama that they voted for his white half. Harris was half black and half Indian. Also lot of black men wouldn’t cote for a woman especially one of color. And I heard a lot of Indian hated that she half black.
Racists aren’t the sexiest in my opinion, and that puts me in the minority…
Oh definitely. The fascists and brainlets that voted for Trump are joined by the racists and sexists who abstained from voting for Harris. Now we all get to suffer the consequences of their squandered democracy.
Seems to me that the election results are showing just how sexists and racist the country is. People voting for trump because they like him are certainly that and people voting for trump because Harris is female and non white are that too.
As a fellow Australian, I don’t understand why you’re surprised.
“Hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil” may be pragmatic, but it doesn’t get people emotionally engaged. It doesn’t get you infectious enthusiasm and passion. It gets you reluctant, dejected compliance, and that simply does not catch fire.
On the other side you have nothing but emotional engagement; god knows it’s not a rational or pragmatic choice there. Trump does nothing but pander to hatred and cruelty and fear and the power fantasies of gullible idiots, and it fucking works. Cheap shallow emotional satisfaction, no matter how stupid an idea it is. You know, like junk food and binge drinking and cigarettes and pokies; things that people know full well are ruining their lives, but they continue to seek them out regardless.
If the dems ever want to win, they will have to make the progressives fall in love with them, and you don’t get that by backing genocide unconditionally, you just don’t.
They didn’t get the oh-god-yes, just a not-no, and that does not equal consent.
Nobody with an eighth of a brain needs that much extra reason to put out a house fire in their own house.
It’s exactly as surprising as they’re saying.
you are ignoring the fact that other option has been already burning their house already. would you buy again from wendy’s if their ad tell you to buys them because burger king is dogshit when they had sold you a moldy burger ?
Bruh, you see the whole world moving towards more shittyness as a whole and you think nobody is that stupid?
We are all stupid, you because you prefer to bury your head in the sand instead of dealing with reality as it has shown itself. I have my own brand of stupidity and we’re all responsible for the way the world is turning out.
From the inside it’s un fucking believable too
As an American…I’m just going to crash on your couch for the forseeable future.
Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.
Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.
At this point, it’s just desserts. The US had it coming for even letting him run in the first place. That being said, Republican backwaters are going to get fucked way harder than metro populations. Poor boomers are going to get wiped out without social security, Medicaid, or kids that love them anymore. The south can enjoy the next hurricane without FEMA aid. Have fun watching your loved ones get deported because you thought this only impacted “illegals”, assholes. I have my popcorn ready.
Fuck em.
I agree with everything except that last bit:
Fuck
emall of us.The splashback on this is going to hit everyone. I’m trying really hard not to be alarmist, but what happens with the American government literally has ramifications for everyone. We might not feel the hit right away, but the ripples will lap your shores too…
Unfortunately it’s worse than this. It seems like the GOP has successfully indoctrinated a new generation if incel supporters in high enough numbers to matter. If this trend continues the boomers can die and we’ll still be fucked.
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Ohh shit, I didn’t even consider the kids canceling the parents.
They will find a way to blame Democrats for it though
If they’re not rounded up and shot…
It’s going to impact an enormous amount of people who didn’t vote for him either though.
Its also going to impact the other 2/3rd of voters that dont give a fuck and dont vote at all. I hate this country so much
It will and they will put it on Biden
It definitely will and they still will blame the other party.
One side of me hopes they outlaw computer games and porn like it’s laid out in project 2025. Unfortunately, it will hit everyone, but I fear that this is gonna happen anyway.
Me too. I would love that positive change in my life.
Jesus fucking Christ not again
here we go again…
Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,
You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.
With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.
And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump’s pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn’t been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.
Where are you seeing they’ll win the house? All I see is a narrow blue control of the house on projected outcomes.
If you are talking about the in progress data, you can’t really assume much from it. Different classes of votes get counted at different times. In person versus mail in, urban versus rural. Some places had their urban in real quick, some had their urban in late.
There’s no way the population that voted Trump in by such a wide margin did not also secure the house, which is generally districted in favor of Republicans anyway
