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    Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven’t realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn’t afraid of breaking things along the way.

    It’s just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it’s only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.

    Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.

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      For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.

      Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.

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        This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says “not like this” is irrelevant.

        They’re all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren’t in it.

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      Important to note here, the status quo is the status quo for a reason. Incremental evidence based change happens slowly. It cannot happen fast, and that’s good. Slow is stable. The clear vision is “the system we have but marginally better tomorrow. And then the day after tomorrow, marginally better than that.” It’s foolish to vote for anyone who promises drastic change, left, right, up, or down. It’s a trick. It’s like changing 5 variables at once in a science experiment and expecting any sort of result better than random chance. We don’t have a perfect system but rolling the dice on a wannabe fascist dictator is obviously not the way forward if you have two brain cells to run together, but an alarming amount of people seem to just not get it.

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        Just look at history though and you’ll see that most significant changes (both bad and good) happen abruptly and it’s often a bit messy.

        Unfortunately it’s just the way that humans work

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          Exactly. It’s like the (apocryphal?) quote.

          There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.

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          I’m definitely not disagreeing with that, my point is like you said, both good AND bad changes come out of drastic shakeups, and you don’t know which one you’re going to get.

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        That’s only helpful if you feel like there have actually been improvements over the last few years/decades.

        A lot of people feel like crime is constantly rising, morals in general are not being valued anymore and that the economy is constantly in decline. Mixed with a widespread believe that most politicians are bought anyways.

        These feelings aren’t rooted in facts but they are there and they make it difficult to simultaneously believe in gradual improvement.