Trump can have one more felony, as a treat

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    Honestly, those families of fallen soldiers can go fuck themselves. They dishonor the memory of their children that made the ultimate sacrifice for this country. They don’t get to invite Trump to wipe his ass all over the graves of soldiers. Their children deserve respect, but they deserve scorn.

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      This was my thought as well. Can you really have loved your family member if you sell them cheaply to be used as political fodder? Is that what their memory is worth to you?

      This is the same level of disaffection that you saw from the pa firefighter widow who wouldn’t accept a phone call from Biden.

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      Oh, it’s even worse than that. My understanding is that the families that invited him are specifically families of soldiers who died during the pullout from Afghanistan. Y’know, the pullout that Trump announced out of the blue with zero prep work in the last year of his presidency and dumped on Biden’s lap. They are celebrating the man directly responsible for their kids’ deaths.

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        Democrats desperately need to impose a nationwide public school curriculum if/when they get control. This shit needs to stop, and it’s going to take literal decades to correctly educate the next generation…

        Lately I have started to grasp why nations, in the past, have imposed “re-education” upon their adult citizens… Obviously it can easily be misused, but I feel like it is exactly what this country needs. And it will never happen.

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      Those children made " the ultimate sacrifice " to expand and maintain American imperialism and violence worldwide. Just because we hate trump there is no reason to defend the American empire and its willing enforcers.

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        Ok, I’m not going to debate that with you. I don’t know these kids, their motivations, their missions, or how they lived and died. I’m talking about every body laid to rest in Arlington, and far too many that still lay where they fell, all of the soldiers, living and dead, are deserving of a certain modicum of reapect. They deserve to not be used as props in a campaign photo. Their families deserve to not see their tombstones used as an arm rest in a photo op.

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          I would be horrified if someone asked to visit my parents’ grave for a photo op. I can barely go there without breaking down. My family’s grief is private.

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        Oh yes all those soldiers from, (checks notes), fighting the Nazis and Japanese.

        Yeah them. Horrible people, the absolute worst amiright?

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          This incident was with the parents of people in section 60 specifically for people dying post 9-11 “War on terror” soldiers in other words. Stop obfuscating.

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            Oh okay the ones who got rid of Saddam and helped Iraq hold free and fair elections?

            Those guys?

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              Oh you are an Iraq war defender I’m not going to bother getting into an argument with you it’s not worth it to argue with someone literally defending the Iraq war as bringing “Democracy” to Iraq with all the current information freely available about the true motives and the lists of war crimes.

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                Hey you’re talking about the soldiers. The guys who actually went over there. If you want to talk about Bush then talk about Bush. And the “list of war crimes” is just that, a list with a fraction of the people who served in Iraq.

                And yeah I’m going to talk about bringing democracy back to Iraq. Because that’s exactly what happened. Are you going to try and tell us they weren’t the first free and fair elections since Saddam seized power?

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                  Let me guess, you were there and killed a bunch of people, and this is what you have to tell yourself in order to make it day to day.

                  That sucks. But if you’re going to post publicly defending the Iraq War, then you better be ready for criticism.

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              Whoa… There’s something you don’t see often in the wild.

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          Afghanistan may be among the most humanitarian deployments the US military has done. The infant mortality rate fell significantly while the US was there, and women had the freedom to go to school and participate in the economy without violent oppression.

          Our mistake in Afghanistan was that we didn’t build a lasting change. We gave arms to the wrong people. We should’ve been training and arming the women to fight back and protect their democracy. Not men who were going to be fine either way.

          • You have no Idea how much I agree with that statement.

            I am from Switzerland, where everyone has to serve. I always thought that this was a stabilizing factor in our country, since the military power in the country is also the democratic power in the country.

            So I never understood why they wouldn’t arm the very people who are most likely to be suppressed and instead arm the people who are likely to do the suppressing.

            Women would have been inspired for the cause, they would have been willing and motivated. The men apparently weren’t.

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    I’m just exhausted at this point. Nothing he does phases me anymore. Just gotta say my piece at the ballot box and hope for the best

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      I’m actually impressed a former president currently running for reelection managed to fuck up pandering to the military so bad the Army called him out for it.

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      Normalization of this shit is how the fascists get a foothold. In this very story we see that the victim is not pressing charges because she is afraid of MAGAfash. The absolute minimum thing you can do is stay angry. Enjoy passive opposition while it is still an option.

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        the victim is not pressing charges because she is afraid of MAGAfash

        Does she say this or are we making it up?

        Seems like she’s not making a big deal out of it because she’s in the army and someone shoving her a bit while rude isn’t a big issue in her day?

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      I’m just exhausted at this point. Nothing he does phases me anymore.

      Yup. There’s no point caring, he’s a broken record of hatred. Just move on.

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      Yeah I’m so fucking tired of watching him break federal law out in the open with zero consequences over and over and over and over

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    Everyone posting quotes from the trump side, so here’s what the Army said:

    “This incident was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. ANC is a national shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces, and its dedicated staff will continue to ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation’s fallen deserve,” the statement said.

    So the Army sided with the people at the cemetery, and tge following paragraphs indicate the Pentagon does as well.

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      Barely… They don’t even condemn the people who did it. They say it was “unfortunate.” Give me a fucking break.

      Imagine if this was a Democrat.

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        The US military is very apolitical. They don’t get involved with campaigns or politics. I think it may actually be illegal for an active serviceman to make statements with any political leanings. Certainly in uniform I think.

        So for them to say this much is actually a big deal.

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          Agreed. It even says in the article that the army stays out of politics and such a statement was a very rare occurrence. So we can infer the fact that they made a statement at all carries quite a bit of weight.

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          Let’s see how “apolitical” works when fascists are running the country.

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            Actually, surprisingly not badly. US generals like Milley took precautions to prevent Trump from doing even more disastrous things. Military leadership is generally respectable.

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              And yet they continued to voluntarily work directly with a fascist administration.

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        their campaign would have ended and you’d still be hearing about it in 2028

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    “For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed [sic] grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country,” LaCivita continued.

    Wow. Just a fucking gross response. Every chance they get they try to insult the person who was doing their job.

    “We had given our approval for President Trump’s official videographer and photographer to attend the event, ensuring these sacred moments of remembrance were respectfully captured and so we can cherish these memories forever,” the families said.

    His idiot followers would think their invitation bests federal laws.

    A different article said that the reason the beleaguered employee wasn’t pressing charges was fear of harassment by his sycophants. His toadies make life hell for descent people, thus shielding him from repercussions. It’s time to put this man out of the spotlight so the wheels of justice can run him over.

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      It’s sobering to think about how far US politics has fallen since I’ve had the power to vote. There was a time that I can still remember, where something like this would do more than kill a campaign. Republicans would be condemning their own candidate, and the candidate’s PR team would be working overtime putting out, “we apologize for the misunderstanding and meant no disrespect to the fallen soldiers” statements to try to quell the backlash.

      Nowadays? Nope. They double and triple down, and their base loves it. I hate this so much.

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        I cast my first vote in 1990. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Republican. Please forgive me. I was eighteen and raised under Reagan. I didn’t yet know better.

        Anywho, I concur with your assessment. We’ve fallen so very far.

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    The army stated that they consider the matter closed according tovthe article. I doubt any legal action will come from this.

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      That’s not the point. Lots of people now see how tone deaf the entire campaign is.

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          It turns out that the police will absolutely rise up but the military is all about protecting and following the chain of command. I used to think as you do but I’ve since seen so many times when they have expelled the crazies. There’s no union protecting bad soldiers from consequences.

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            I’m pretty sure they’re saying his followers are a cult, not the Army. His followers will easily take the word of him and his campaign over the Army and Arlington National Cemetery.

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              I’ve reread the comment a few times and still think that they were talking about the army. I do see what you mean though.

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            Well, at least the brass at Joint Base Henderson Hall, one of the cushiest appointments in the service, located in one of the bluest zip codes in the US.

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          You say that yet everyone except the “base” is fleeing. Trump is limited to down ballot voters and whackadoos.

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            Audio leaked of him admitting he sexual assaults women because he feels he’s entitled to, and he won the presidency. The “look” of anything Trump does is irrelevant.

            The one true thing he has ever said was that he could shoot someone on fifth ave and not lose any support.

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              I disagree.

              There’s certainly a lot of people that will just vote for Trump no matter what, but this election will be won or lost on the hapless fools who are still bobbling around in the middle easily distracted by phrases and headlines.

              The “look” of anything Trump does is irrelevant.

              It’s true that his loyal fans are blind to his egregious flaws, but this statement is nevertheless hyperbole. If it were true he wouldn’t need to bother campaigning.

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                Campaigning in the USA is all pageantry. He’s doing it for his own ego. Anyone who hasn’t made up their mind about Trump in the last eight years isn’t going to be swayed by this picture. It’s like the hundredth least worst thing he’s done.

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                  Whoever hasn’t made up their mind about Trump in the last eight years is precisely the type of idiot who will be swayed by these types of things in the weeks and months before the election.

                  This isn’t going to be the foundation for a landslide against Trump. My point is, it’s not good for him.

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    “For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed [sic] grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country,” LaCivita continued.

    This is vile.

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    The US Army published a measured response to the implicated poor behavior of an on duty servicewoman at ANC.

    The Army would very much object to this being categorized as “against” Trump. Rather in defense of their service members and their correct actions.

    The Army is careful not to overextend itself on political rhetoric and invite too much politics directly.

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      Yeah for them to say this much is a big deal considering they like to stay out of this stuff. It’s pretty much a harsh repudiation coming from them.

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    Lol. Dude most likely to attempt a coup in the US just pissed off the armed forces. You love to see it.

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      Good point. However, why would it have taken this long? This man has been nothing but insulting toward our military.

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      Not only that — what is the penalty for violating Section 60?

      The army acts like the employee being assaulted was the only issue.

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    Where can I read in full what the army said? I couldn’t find anything in their official press releases