Questions are growing? Haven’t they been out already for fucking years??
I’ve been questioning it since the day Mushk said “We don’t need fancy pants LiDAR, regular cameras are all you need!”
As if a safety critical system shouldn’t have backups or alternative sensors for verifying shit
Also things like adverse weather conditions exist, and I think sometimes the sun goes out.
Yes and because cams see so well in rain and fog 😅
That, and every time I see video from one somehow the inbuilt cameras on a Tesla produce worse picture quality than a $30 Amazon dashcam. And why do they tint everything brown?
Yes growing. They were birthed years ago, and Elon has done his best to nurture them so they grow big and strong
Tesla’s Full Self Driving does not exist. If it did, it would be used in the ridiculous loop they built in Vegas which is literally like 10% of the complexity of driving in a real road… yet it is not even good enough to be piloted there.
Tesla’s biggest issue is Musk.
Tesla held a commanding lead over the other automakers in the self-driving segment a few years ago. Now they’ve all mostly caught up thanks to Musk’s unhinged firings. Tesla lost some of its best talent for no other reason than not wanting to work for an egomaniacal billionaire nut job.
Tesla needs to fire Musk before he runs it into the ground just like he’s done to Twitter.
They’re only ahead of everyone else because they were prepared to release a product that was untested and quite possibly unsafe, whereas the other car manufacturers realized that would be detrimental to their business, both in terms of reputation, and the inevitable lawsuits. Tesla just does whatever though.
other car manufacturers realized that would be detrimental to their business
Ummm do they? I don’t care enough about cars to remember the details, but I’m sure I’ve heard some controversies about safety for at least a couple of brands
All the other self-driving cars are still very limited in their interactions with the real world. Only allowed in very limited locations and on predefined routes.
Tesla is the only people running self-driving car tech in the wild as far as I’m aware.
Level 4 exists in the form of Waymo, who operate on roads with shoddy regulations (random US municipalities), so probably not proper Level 4. Also exists in Japan, which does have proper regulation but from what I know it’s still a pilot.
Level 3, conditional automation, is becoming quite standard in the upper market segment. Things like traffic jam assist: You can actually take your hands off the wheel and eyes off the road, when traffic clears up the car will alert the driver to take over again, or, that failing, pull over on the shoulder and presumably call emergency services.
Tesla’s stuff is Level 2, needing constant monitoring by the driver.
This times 50x with SpaceX. There’s ample justification to nationalize it at this point with Musk’s erratic behavior.
SpaceX still has the benefit of being run by someone who is at least somewhat less unhinged (shotwell)
Well, and neurolink… It is so fascinating but every time musk starts talking again all the hype is lost with all the BS he is talking…
Tesla has never, ever, had anything remotely resembling a lead in autonomous vehicles. The actual AV industry doesn’t consider them part of it.
Yes to fuck musk, but also…
“Commanding lead” equals other manufacturers also didn’t have a functioning feature (and still don’t now).
Because they weren’t willing to open themselves up to the lawsuits for rushing a half baked autonomous driving function. Their systems likely work just as well as Tesla’s, which is why they wont advertise it as full self driving because it kills people.
Tech bros underestimating the complexity of real life yet again
Is the self driving in the room with us right now?
Shhhh! I accidentally opened this thread while my phone was connected and EVERYTHING IS FINE RECALCULATING ROUTE.
It’s not safe
Humans are not safe. 40k of them get killed in vehicle accidents every year in the US alone. Self driving doesn’t need to be flawless. It only needs to be safer. If perfection is the only thing we’ll settle for then that’ll cost us hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more lives untill we get there.
If we replaced every vehicle on US roads with self driving cars that were twice as safe of an driver as average human is, there would still be 50 deaths every single day. That’s 50 daily news articles on Lemmy about how “not safe” self driving cars are despite them saving additional 20k lives every year.
There is no independently verified data that shows Tesla self driving is actually better than humans.
I never claimed it is.
Yes you did: https://lemmy.ml/post/19661763/13303063
You should stop lying.
That was posted after replying to you and I’m making an entirely different claim there. Half as good as a human driver =/= twice as good as human. It’s also just my opinion, not a factual statement, only what I believe to be true.
Not a single lie was told.
Let us know when it even gets to half as good as a human.
About a year ago probably. Humans suck at driving so that’s a low bar to reach.
Citation desired.
It’s not a fact, but my opinion which I cannot prove any more than you can disprove.
The Tesla ones don’t use lidar and seem pretty shotty, when I was in Tempe I took a Waymo on 2 occasions, and that was better than the majority of drivers I have ridden with. Not perfect though, it seemed to mostly struggle with sub 5 mph tight spaced things in parking lots. (It would stop then go again if there was any chance something might jump in front of the car, where a human would assume a person wouldn’t do that). Understandable though, as I have watched kids do it
Honestly there’s so much shit about Tesla’s software on the Internet. I own a model y with “FSD” and I can confidently say that the current version (12.5.3) is a 90% solution. Is it perfect? No. Can it do everything? No. Can it drive me to work and back, to the grocery store, and whatever else I need without me intervening? Yes it can, and has no issues 90% of the time. Obviously for it to be considered level 5 or whatever it needs to work 99.999% of the time, but it’s good enough right now for me to not only use it regularly, but to also enjoy using it.
It’s an awesome piece of software and it still blows my mind to watch my car drive me around. We are living in the future.
I recently rode in a Tesla on FSD for over 26 hours of freeway travel. It was flawless the entire time.
On city streets? 90% was about right. It once took too sharp of a turn at a double right turn and spooked the driver next to us (although it didn’t cross into their lane, just got close), and another time decided to only change lanes halfway into the left turn lane.
I agree that it needs to be near 100% on city streets before it’s ready for launch because that 10% difference is HUGE when it comes to safety. If their “level 5” taxi isn’t using some vastly improved software, it needs to be kept off the street.
Same. I love my FSD and I’ve watched it go from 80% a few years ago to around 95% now.
To every even slightly educated person on the matter it’s immediately obvious that the majority of people commenting on these threads don’t have up-to-date information about how far FSD has come and their opinions are based on how bad it used to be and / or how bad they wish it was.
Everyone is free to go to YouTube and watch videos of people intentionally pushing the limits of this system. Like you said; it’s not flawless, but damn it’s good.
but guyz musko said tesla is an ai company now
/s
I don’t even want to turn on the speed limiter because I’m getting random fantom breaking, it’s really infuriating.
So funny that all the musk brigaders on here, in full force, can only collectively muster 4 downvotes…
You are the wet farts of humanity.
YouTube videos of FSD make it seem way better than it used to be (if they’re real) and it’s surprising that no one was paying attention until now.
There was an story a while back where it was discovered that Tesla focuses their efforts on the routes taken by creators (and other influencial people), to intentionally make self driving look better than it is.
I have it and it is legitimately a great driver aid. But you need to understand its limitations to use it safely. It’s a really awkward place to live in, because I get an immense amount of value out of it, but I would not just throw my mother in the car and trust her to use it safely.
I’m considering buying one but lately I’ve been thinking about maybe getting a Mustang because the BlueCruise seems more honest. However, Ford doesn’t seem super committed to electric and it’s all hard to justify when my Honda just won’t die.
Blue Cruise is legit as well though significantly more limited than FSD, and Ford is unlikely to push new updates the way Tesla does.
Absolutely a Mach E over a Tesla.
I suppose the ones where people die are never uploadet.
But other than that, feel free to judge on anecdotal data.
At least they have it. It’s incredible to see videos of the FSD on highways, and Waymo robot taxis in the USA.
I wish we had technology in Europe.
