MADISON, Wis. – Four independent presidential candidates have filed signatures and paperwork to appear on the November ballot, the Wisconsin Elections Commission announced Tuesday.
MADISON, Wis. – Four independent presidential candidates have filed signatures and paperwork to appear on the November ballot, the Wisconsin Elections Commission announced Tuesday.
That’s been said every fucking election on the last 50 years. Variations of, “Oh no, we need change, but not THIS election. THIS election is too important!”
So guess what? No more waiting.
I’m voting for who I want to win, not because I am scared of who might win. Also, even though this article is about a socialist candidate, I’m personally voting Green Party this year.
Just because you are sick of it doesn’t mean FPTP magically has less of an impact on third-party votes this particular election. If you’ve been around that long you are well aware of how meaningless and potentially dangerous it is, and yes it sucks but the way to combat a two-party system is not voting third party and hoping for the best. Doing that is only creating a mental out for feeling morally superior.
Of course not. But I’m practicing the change i wanna see. I’m down listening to you guys keep saying, “next time! Next time, we’ll fix it. Promise!”
Nah, fam. No more next times. I’m voting for who I want. And so are my friends.
I don’t even know why you’re upset tho, Democrats will probably win this year anyway. Hey! So then are you all gonna fix FPTP issue? Hmmmm. if I were a betting man…
No, what’s dangerous is our system being run by a duopoly. I won’t support it anymore. Many of my friends agree.
If you are worried about it, choose a better democratic candidate. I don’t like Harris. And I don’t like Trump. Soooo I won’t vote for Harris. And I won’t vote for Trump. See how that works?
First, let’s be clear: voting is a fundamental American right, and every citizen has the right to vote for the candidate they believe in, without being accused of ulterior motives. The idea that supporting a third party is somehow working for Trump or any other major candidate is both historically inaccurate and logically flawed.
Throughout American history, third parties have played a crucial role in shaping political discourse and pushing important issues into the spotlight.
The abolition of slavery, women’s suffrage, and labor rights were all advanced by third parties before being adopted by the major parties.
By voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party, I am supporting a platform that aligns with my values, particularly on issues like environmental sustainability, social justice, and democratic reform.
The notion that a vote for a third party “dilutes” the vote is rooted in a fear-driven mentality rather than in democratic principles.
It assumes that votes are owned by the two major parties, which they are not. Our electoral system is supposed to represent the diverse views of the electorate, not just those of the dominant parties.
You want to get rid of FPTP? Have 3rd parties actually win?
Ignore the presidential race completely. It’s literally irrelevant to third parties and you are wasting your breath with a symbolic vote that isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. I’m glad it’ll make you feel better when the rabid fascists successfully suppress enough other progressive votes to win the rest of the election up and down ballot, and then oopsie you can’t vote anymore teehee how’d that happen?
Start at the local level. Campaign for ranked choice voting at the county and state level. Get independents and progressives in at the lower city, county and state wide offices that actually DO have an impact on setting election policy and can build the groundwork that actually lets 3rd parties get a chance. All of this tunnel vision on the high profile presidential race has forever ruined every 3rd party’s chance of even existing, because they absolutely refuse to put any kind of effort into the races that matter.
RCV is on the ballot in Oregon for November. I have high hopes it will pass, given our state’s general electoral leaning. These kinds of movements have been brewing for all those years you are bitching and moaning about “ohhh but next year” but never get much traction due to hand-wringing about the national bullshit. So shut the hell up and MAKE IT HAPPEN LOCALLY, QUIT BITCHING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE!
and with that in mind, maybe you should vote for the candidate most likely to support a change to RCV and actually win.
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I’ve also started 10 communities in that time that range from college communities, to communities about teaching assistants, one about a food replacement shake, and even a socialist community. All in an effort to help build this awesome fediverse and make Lemmy a contender in the social forum arena.
So doing my part by posting and creating content right after I joined up, is a bad thing? Is that what you are implying? Feel free to clarify if I misread your tone.
So curious, how long was I supposed to wait after starting an account, to post things I believe in? What is the time period you are looking for? I mean, we can post on the same day we create an account. Do you think there should be a waiting period?
How long did YOU wait before your first post after you started a Lemmy account?
But you are right about me liking Jill Stein. Just as you are a Biden/Harris stan. Right?!
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I don’t know what a forum slider account is. Can you explain?
Ok so let’s go over one of many possible examples.
say celebrity A has some dirt turn up and start making the rounds on social media. They usually retain a media management service which employ content farms staffed with media spin people with the express intent of mitigating the reputation harm this dirt is bringing to their client.
The celebrity doesn’t know them, the agent doesn’t know them, they are employed usually by contract with the social media management company. Both Depp and Heard had armies working for them during the trial and they both were terrible and obvious. If you want real examples go back to old reddit threads on around that time and you can clearly see which are the worst forum sliding offenders and then just start looking for those kinds of posts elsewhere.
There is an old playbook available from any number of places called ‘The Gentleperson’s Guide To Forum Spies’, and they begin to employ the techniques listed there usually to great effect because humans are gullible and self-focused. Modern techniques have expanded upon the techniques listed there to include platform denial, positioning forum actors as mods (reddit has suffered a fucktonne of this since 2015) and even SWATting.
A forum slider’s job is to bury the comments that expose the client and amplify the comments that idolize the client, while subtly shifting the conversation through intellectual dishonesty usually framed as ‘just asking questions’, or concern trolling.
It’s not simple to give you a comprehensive understanding because not all forum sliders are paid agents, some are just bored or anarchy driven people that thrive on chaos. But the most visible and effective are paid state actors and social media spin doctors.
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This sub takes civility seriously. That’s why your comment was removed.
You can disagree with me, but no false accusations allowed. And be civil, please. Thank you.
I’m not doing any of that tho. I am posting what I believe in. And I’m voting for a party you don’t like. That doesn’t make me a forum slider. lol
Considering that lots of comments of your are being removed by the mods, I guess you are realizing that this community adheres to the civility rule. And has shown you that I am not a forum slider. Which is why your comments got removed.
I have no idea why you are so angry. I have done nothing to you, and I wish you no ill will. Hopefully since your comments have ben removed, you can realize how uncivil you are being. And I hope that you can learn and grow from it. :)
yes I realized that after typing this comment and i decided i should actually look at their profile lmao
And that persons comment got removed because they are incorrect. And uncivil.
Just because I don’t vote for who YOU vote for, doesn’t mean I have done “nothing but fight leftists”
And by the way, I started a Socialist community, and a Green community and one for 3 different colleges.
Pretty left.
And if you looked at my profile and noticed those communities, you’d realise that I don’t “fight” “leftists.”
I stand up for myself in comments, but I’m not “fighting” anyone.
And that person has had several comments removed.
I have not.
What makes you think I haven’t. I totally stumped for my local green party. And the green party has won local elections: Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).
Oh, I am. I’m voting for Jill Stein as president this November. Proudly so. I have the shirt, the bumper stickers, I volunteer. It’s awesome.
I applaud your frustration at our voting system because I share that frustration, but the whole crux of it is that it results in a two party system. Your green party vote, in the grand scheme of things (at least in terms of making an actual difference), is a wasted one.
I honestly don’t know how we will ever make this change. It’s going to require people like Joe Biden that are willing to give up tremendous power in order to make a change for the better.
Politicians in general aren’t really good at letting go of power. One of our dominant parties especially will never allow this to happen - they cannot even accept the outcome of a fair-ish election (even though they were assisted by their gerrymandering and voter suppression and voter roll purging). It won’t be until the US has a very progressive phase that we have a chance of making this change.
Until we can make meaningful changes to enable us to make a change to our voting system, any vote for someone not in one of those two parties will be seen as an attempt to dilute the vote, and will also realistically have people be very suspicious towards you. This is especially the case if one were to post continually to this community and keep pushing the idea.
To recap - fundamental, core changes need to happen first before we have a remote chance of being able to make a difference outside of the two dominant parties. You should, however, vote for who you want, that’s your right!
You’ve got it exactly right here. The big key is that this critical “core change” only happens at the local level. RCV has to be implemented in countywide and statewide election systems, proving that it works, before any third party can hope to effect change and pressure for RCV and reforms at a national House/Senate/President level.
People like OP who bitch and moan about not wanting the two party system and wanting a (wasted) third party in a high profile race like POTUS simultaneously refuse to notice or care that all that change has to start BELOW. You can’t just keep your head in the sand for 4 years, then pop up to vote for Jill Stein and expect everything to be hunky dory. You have to be on the beat for every office, even ones as low as ward representatives for your city, trying to support and promote candidates who want to implement RCV and 3rd party independence. Targeting the big race with a no-name candidate is a waste of resources, and always has been.
I have supported the green party in my state for a while. Through ballet initiatives and access, to local elections. What makes you think I just pop and vote just in Pres elections?
I’ve been voting for longer than you have been alive, comrade.
And always will be as long as people like you belittle people who are trying to make a change. I’m voting Green Party, as is my right, and I’m proud of it.
I’ve made donations, I’ve volunteered for my local Green party, I have my bumper stickers and even my Green Party shirt, friend. And I’ll keep working for what I believe in. Even if you’re upset that it’s not YOUR candidate.
Voting for who I want, even if YOU don’t like that person, is not a wasted vote. If the democrats are so worried about “spoilers,” then they need stronger candidates.
I’m voting for who I want to be president. And right now, that’s Jill Stein.
You misread my comment. I directly said you should vote for who you want and truly mean that. What I said was that your vote IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME is a wasted vote, and that is a fact that comes with the FPTP voting system.
But since you snapped back with throwing shade at “my candidate” your posts and comments are even more suspicious.
I’ll be blocking your spam from here on out. I really do think you should vote for who you want though. It’s just not going to make a damn bit of difference in this election.
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The reason your comment was removed is because you have no evidence for that. Please remember to be civil.
How is my bio nonsensical? What part don’t you understand? Is there some Lemmy bio etiquette that I didn’t hear about?
I’ve also started 10 communities in that time that range from college communities, to communities about teaching assistants, one about a food replacement shake, and even a socialist community. All in an effort to help build this awesome fediverse and make Lemmy a contender in the social forum arena.
So doing my part by posting and creating content right after I joined up, is a bad thing? Is that what you are implying? Feel free to clarify if I misread your tone.
So curious, how long was I supposed to wait after starting an account, to post things I believe in? What is the time period you are looking for? I mean, we can post on the same day we create an account. Do you think there should be a waiting period?
How long did YOU wait before your first post after you started a Lemmy account?
I’m a Green Party/Socialist. That’s about as far away from the “Old Don” party as you can get. Just because I am not voting for YOUR party doesn’t mean I am a republican.
And I have never evaded a ban on here at all. And I am reporting you for breaking the rule of civility and falsely accusing me of being a ban evader.
I will. And it’s Jill Stein
Not wasted at all, because I am voting for who I want to vote for. As is my right.
Spam? I don’t think that word means what you think it means. But yes, feel free to block me, because you haven’t changed my mind. At all.
If you are that worried about spoilers, then you should have a stronger candidate. I, and many others, don’t support her. That’s how democracy works.