MADISON, Wis. – Four independent presidential candidates have filed signatures and paperwork to appear on the November ballot, the Wisconsin Elections Commission announced Tuesday.
MADISON, Wis. – Four independent presidential candidates have filed signatures and paperwork to appear on the November ballot, the Wisconsin Elections Commission announced Tuesday.
I applaud your frustration at our voting system because I share that frustration, but the whole crux of it is that it results in a two party system. Your green party vote, in the grand scheme of things (at least in terms of making an actual difference), is a wasted one.
I honestly don’t know how we will ever make this change. It’s going to require people like Joe Biden that are willing to give up tremendous power in order to make a change for the better.
Politicians in general aren’t really good at letting go of power. One of our dominant parties especially will never allow this to happen - they cannot even accept the outcome of a fair-ish election (even though they were assisted by their gerrymandering and voter suppression and voter roll purging). It won’t be until the US has a very progressive phase that we have a chance of making this change.
Until we can make meaningful changes to enable us to make a change to our voting system, any vote for someone not in one of those two parties will be seen as an attempt to dilute the vote, and will also realistically have people be very suspicious towards you. This is especially the case if one were to post continually to this community and keep pushing the idea.
To recap - fundamental, core changes need to happen first before we have a remote chance of being able to make a difference outside of the two dominant parties. You should, however, vote for who you want, that’s your right!
You’ve got it exactly right here. The big key is that this critical “core change” only happens at the local level. RCV has to be implemented in countywide and statewide election systems, proving that it works, before any third party can hope to effect change and pressure for RCV and reforms at a national House/Senate/President level.
People like OP who bitch and moan about not wanting the two party system and wanting a (wasted) third party in a high profile race like POTUS simultaneously refuse to notice or care that all that change has to start BELOW. You can’t just keep your head in the sand for 4 years, then pop up to vote for Jill Stein and expect everything to be hunky dory. You have to be on the beat for every office, even ones as low as ward representatives for your city, trying to support and promote candidates who want to implement RCV and 3rd party independence. Targeting the big race with a no-name candidate is a waste of resources, and always has been.
I have supported the green party in my state for a while. Through ballet initiatives and access, to local elections. What makes you think I just pop and vote just in Pres elections?
I’ve been voting for longer than you have been alive, comrade.
And always will be as long as people like you belittle people who are trying to make a change. I’m voting Green Party, as is my right, and I’m proud of it.
I’ve made donations, I’ve volunteered for my local Green party, I have my bumper stickers and even my Green Party shirt, friend. And I’ll keep working for what I believe in. Even if you’re upset that it’s not YOUR candidate.
Voting for who I want, even if YOU don’t like that person, is not a wasted vote. If the democrats are so worried about “spoilers,” then they need stronger candidates.
I’m voting for who I want to be president. And right now, that’s Jill Stein.
You misread my comment. I directly said you should vote for who you want and truly mean that. What I said was that your vote IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME is a wasted vote, and that is a fact that comes with the FPTP voting system.
But since you snapped back with throwing shade at “my candidate” your posts and comments are even more suspicious.
I’ll be blocking your spam from here on out. I really do think you should vote for who you want though. It’s just not going to make a damn bit of difference in this election.
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The reason your comment was removed is because you have no evidence for that. Please remember to be civil.
How is my bio nonsensical? What part don’t you understand? Is there some Lemmy bio etiquette that I didn’t hear about?
I’ve also started 10 communities in that time that range from college communities, to communities about teaching assistants, one about a food replacement shake, and even a socialist community. All in an effort to help build this awesome fediverse and make Lemmy a contender in the social forum arena.
So doing my part by posting and creating content right after I joined up, is a bad thing? Is that what you are implying? Feel free to clarify if I misread your tone.
So curious, how long was I supposed to wait after starting an account, to post things I believe in? What is the time period you are looking for? I mean, we can post on the same day we create an account. Do you think there should be a waiting period?
How long did YOU wait before your first post after you started a Lemmy account?
I’m a Green Party/Socialist. That’s about as far away from the “Old Don” party as you can get. Just because I am not voting for YOUR party doesn’t mean I am a republican.
And I have never evaded a ban on here at all. And I am reporting you for breaking the rule of civility and falsely accusing me of being a ban evader.
I will. And it’s Jill Stein
Not wasted at all, because I am voting for who I want to vote for. As is my right.
Spam? I don’t think that word means what you think it means. But yes, feel free to block me, because you haven’t changed my mind. At all.
If you are that worried about spoilers, then you should have a stronger candidate. I, and many others, don’t support her. That’s how democracy works.