MADISON, Wis. – Four independent presidential candidates have filed signatures and paperwork to appear on the November ballot, the Wisconsin Elections Commission announced Tuesday.

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    You want to get rid of FPTP? Have 3rd parties actually win?

    Ignore the presidential race completely. It’s literally irrelevant to third parties and you are wasting your breath with a symbolic vote that isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. I’m glad it’ll make you feel better when the rabid fascists successfully suppress enough other progressive votes to win the rest of the election up and down ballot, and then oopsie you can’t vote anymore teehee how’d that happen?

    Start at the local level. Campaign for ranked choice voting at the county and state level. Get independents and progressives in at the lower city, county and state wide offices that actually DO have an impact on setting election policy and can build the groundwork that actually lets 3rd parties get a chance. All of this tunnel vision on the high profile presidential race has forever ruined every 3rd party’s chance of even existing, because they absolutely refuse to put any kind of effort into the races that matter.

    RCV is on the ballot in Oregon for November. I have high hopes it will pass, given our state’s general electoral leaning. These kinds of movements have been brewing for all those years you are bitching and moaning about “ohhh but next year” but never get much traction due to hand-wringing about the national bullshit. So shut the hell up and MAKE IT HAPPEN LOCALLY, QUIT BITCHING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE!

    and with that in mind, maybe you should vote for the candidate most likely to support a change to RCV and actually win.

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        You’re arguing with a 2 day old Jill Stein stan who has done nothing but fight leftists since they joined

        I’ve also started 10 communities in that time that range from college communities, to communities about teaching assistants, one about a food replacement shake, and even a socialist community. All in an effort to help build this awesome fediverse and make Lemmy a contender in the social forum arena.

        So doing my part by posting and creating content right after I joined up, is a bad thing? Is that what you are implying? Feel free to clarify if I misread your tone.

        So curious, how long was I supposed to wait after starting an account, to post things I believe in? What is the time period you are looking for? I mean, we can post on the same day we create an account. Do you think there should be a waiting period?

        How long did YOU wait before your first post after you started a Lemmy account?

        But you are right about me liking Jill Stein. Just as you are a Biden/Harris stan. Right?!

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              Ok so let’s go over one of many possible examples.

              say celebrity A has some dirt turn up and start making the rounds on social media. They usually retain a media management service which employ content farms staffed with media spin people with the express intent of mitigating the reputation harm this dirt is bringing to their client.

              The celebrity doesn’t know them, the agent doesn’t know them, they are employed usually by contract with the social media management company. Both Depp and Heard had armies working for them during the trial and they both were terrible and obvious. If you want real examples go back to old reddit threads on around that time and you can clearly see which are the worst forum sliding offenders and then just start looking for those kinds of posts elsewhere.

              There is an old playbook available from any number of places called ‘The Gentleperson’s Guide To Forum Spies’, and they begin to employ the techniques listed there usually to great effect because humans are gullible and self-focused. Modern techniques have expanded upon the techniques listed there to include platform denial, positioning forum actors as mods (reddit has suffered a fucktonne of this since 2015) and even SWATting.

              A forum slider’s job is to bury the comments that expose the client and amplify the comments that idolize the client, while subtly shifting the conversation through intellectual dishonesty usually framed as ‘just asking questions’, or concern trolling.

              It’s not simple to give you a comprehensive understanding because not all forum sliders are paid agents, some are just bored or anarchy driven people that thrive on chaos. But the most visible and effective are paid state actors and social media spin doctors.

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                  This sub takes civility seriously. That’s why your comment was removed.

                  You can disagree with me, but no false accusations allowed. And be civil, please. Thank you.

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                    I apologise. I was overly suspicious due to the widely reported russian bot and troll farms influencing the 2016 election, [1] [2] many of whom promoted Jill Stein. [3] This was exacerbated by U.S. intelligence officials already warning of Russian intent to influence this election as well. [4] I don’t have any evidence of you personally being part of a troll farm and shouldn’t have implied it.

                    I understand the need for concrete evidence. That’s why I have never definitively claimed Jill Stein to be an outright russian asset, for example, unlike claims in collections such as by Thirdway.org [5] These are anecdotes and not evidence - though I can’t say that collection would make me want to vote for Jill Stein.

                    I guess she was right about Biden’s age though, I’ll give her that. But then again even Trump was.


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                Considering that lots of comments of your are being removed by the mods, I guess you are realizing that this community adheres to the civility rule. And has shown you that I am not a forum slider. Which is why your comments got removed.

                I have no idea why you are so angry. I have done nothing to you, and I wish you no ill will. Hopefully since your comments have ben removed, you can realize how uncivil you are being. And I hope that you can learn and grow from it. :)

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          And that persons comment got removed because they are incorrect. And uncivil.

          Just because I don’t vote for who YOU vote for, doesn’t mean I have done “nothing but fight leftists”

          And by the way, I started a Socialist community, and a Green community and one for 3 different colleges.

          Pretty left.

          And if you looked at my profile and noticed those communities, you’d realise that I don’t “fight” “leftists.”

          I stand up for myself in comments, but I’m not “fighting” anyone.

          And that person has had several comments removed.

          I have not.

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      Start at the local level.

      What makes you think I haven’t. I totally stumped for my local green party. And the green party has won local elections: Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).

      maybe you should vote for the candidate most likely to support a change

      Oh, I am. I’m voting for Jill Stein as president this November. Proudly so. I have the shirt, the bumper stickers, I volunteer. It’s awesome.