• Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I was talking to my dad about my job and how people don’t know how to use Linux. He said “Yeah, nobody uses that UNIX stuff anymore.”

    Then I pointed out that his phone and his computer both run flavors of UNIX, since he’s been using Apple products since I made him switch by not supporting his issues with Windows, and that most of the websites and apps he’s using are running Linux on the backend.

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      Well, he is correct. Linux is not UNIX. It is UNIX-like system. And Android is abomination.

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            I looked it up. macOS is still unix certified.

            BSD is usually not unix certified, so has to refer to itself as unix like.

            What is and isn’t unix is kind of up to what definition you’re working with (pedigree, legally, practically).

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              And what always gets lost in these discussions is if that old Unix stuff was so amazingly good that we should automatically assume Linux is inferior for not doing it. Even though all the old Unix vendors are basically dead now and replaced by Linux. That might have happened for a reason.

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              BSD is usually not unix certified, so has to refer to itself as unix like.

              Wait, really? Not POSIX? Huh

              Also another reason I doubt current version macos is certified is:

              “Because it’s an expensive and lengthy process. And every version will need to be re-certified.”

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      Jim: “what’s your favorite district” Mike: “Android of course” Jim:

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      Thats like saying your favorite type of cheese is American, sure its technically cheese but its so processed and removed from cheese that its just not the same as mozzarella.

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        I made grilled cheese for my father in law in India where it was not insignificantly difficult to find “American” bread and processed cheese. It’s comfort food that crosses borders and cultures.

        Edit: You United Statesians got that weird cheese thing right and I will die on that hill.

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    I am constantly amused about how “next year” has been “the year of Linux on the desktop” for 20+ years. Meanwhile, Linux & BSD have pretty much completely taken over the whole world except the desktop in that same time.

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      Wish they didn’t. DIY opnsense/pfsense boxes are much harder for finding compatible NICs because they’re on BSD. Conversely, used enterprise-level NICs often have better drivers on Linux than Windows.

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        usually if it doesn’t have good working drivers on BSD, there’s a good reason and it’s probably better that you didn’t use that hardware in the first place. if it was a well-established, reliable adapter then typically it would already have a driver.

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          How about an HP NC523SFP? Keep in mind, this is HP enterprise stuff, not consumer level. Dual SFP+, pulled from server hardware. Doesn’t work on FreeBSD.

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                But you said FreeBSD… opnsense is not the same as FreeBSD proper even though it is based on it… for example they don’t include all the drivers that FreeBSD has… like qlxgb. Not saying you’re moving the goalposts but I feel like this may be an unfair conclusion being drawn.

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    Huh, I don’t follow supercomputers very often. I didn’t realize in the last 10 years UNIX dropped off the map of supercomputers entirely in favor of Linux.

    Pretty cool.

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      I worked in resales for super computers about 10 yrs ago. For x86 based designs we flogged red hat

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        it’s still mostly red hat even for arm, though Cray (who still supply a lot of machines here in the UK) ship a horribly butchered version of SLES

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      Actual desktops are going the way of the dodo for the mass market and Linux netbooks are quite popular. With Microsoft’s current strategy of making a product that is worse and worse for low powered devices, I honestly think it’ll happen sooner, except for businesses.