Unfortunately, as Keynes noted: “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”
And my god, they’re committed to irrationality right now.
But that’s where the money is!!
(Until it’s not)Your Return of Investment can be someone else’s investment.
One might call it a pyramid scheme
And the suckers w/o means to participate can live and die for generations knowing only disadvantages of it.
But participated or not, their lives will still get even more rounded one the system collapses.
Your Return of Investment can be someone else’s investment.
Lul, just realised that that might be a bit more based than the regular god (aka capital) intended version - the return on my investment can be someone else’s labour.
Nvidia has to be the most obvious thing to short in this whole mess, except for that quote. If the AI bubble popped tomorrow, you’ll make a lot of money. If it pops in a year, you may lose it all before then.
To be fair, I watched a ton of crypto bros use that quote to justify holding shitcoins while they crashed to zero.
What trillion dollar problem is it solving? In the minds of investors, that “problem” is paying people for labor.
Even when the same people need to get money from people they don’t wanna pay (or there aren’t any buyers), this is still the case.
So if GDP doesn’t come from nature (which it shouldn’t, at least net shouldn’t), the system cannot work with financial wealth being the only goal.
But it can work long enough to destroy much of everything everywhere.
Yeah I’m far more worried capitalist tech morons ending humanity, than I am about AI deciding to off us.
And this absolutely will not change the course of AI investment whatsoever because it still driving a huge amount of profit.
The only thing that will finally change the course of AI investment is when the bubble finally burst which will cause the collapse of our economy because, by that point, so much money will have been invested in it. There will be no other possible result.
And why? Because these assholes only care about one thing: short term results at any cost.
Too big to fail, too big even to jail - it’s worked before, they seem to be counting on it working once more.
But I could be giving them too much credit - perhaps they really do believe in it.
You think it’s too big to fail now, wait until they start wondering what they built all of those extra data centers for.
“profit” is gonna need some qualifiers there.
Firing the staff & reporting “earnings”? Goosed stock price on the above + hypey garbage? Enforced “features” no one wants? AI hardware makers? Okay, that one’s legit, but ironically not AI.
I wish i knew of a good way to profit off of this bubble. I could work for a company in the AI space, but I think it would be well above my “executives hyping the smell of their own farts” threshold. And shorting Google and Microsoft is a dangerous game.
If you knew of a good way, you probably already would be.
Also, you probably wouldn’t have a soul
You got me thinking a bit on this one. One possibility is if you want to make a bet on it failing to deliver value in the near future, look at the companies whose stock prices have fallen on the fear of AI putting them out of business. For example, Concentrix does call center outsourcing and their stock is down significantly from their 2022 peak, partially on the expectation that AI is going to take business from them. Now, their profit margin is tiny and they don’t seem to be growing much, so I don’t know that they are a great investment, but there could be upside if the negative cloud of AI is removed. There are probably better examples out there, this one just came to mind.
Note: I have not done any research on this idea or on Concentrix and don’t know if this is a good idea, but at least less risky than shorting the AI hype.
Number 3 drives me hair-tearing insane, I have straight up seen AI cultists say AI will fix the power grid but only if we keep pouring resources into it so that it can fix all our problems. ಠ_ಠ
“I’ll finally have he strength to kick this heroin habit if I just do more heroin.”
That is, entirely unironically, how deep addiction makes you think. Just need enough to get to normal…
“we should all do heroin to support the habit and mainstream it.” - every fucking company pushing AI onto society when it’s dangerous, janky af and ridiculously expensive.
I’m very confident that with carte blanche the electrical engineers already overseeing the grid could solve the problems it faces. We don’t need an ai miracle, we need to remove bureaucratic and funding obstacles for critical infrastructure.
And this is it: Many of those “AI will be so smart that it can solve these problems for us!” arguments refer to problems where having a “smart” enough solution isn’t the problem… Getting people to care/notice/participate/get out of the way is.
The great AI decrees that you must increase solar and wind subsidies! And pay no attention to the electrical engineer behind the curtain!
An intelligent entity told us to do it. Humanity: Nah
An artificially intelligent entity told us to do it. Humanity: Well shit let’s get to work!
“AI, how do we solve traffic?”
- “Build more trains.”
“well our AI is clearly broken”
e/acc. The dumb MFs believe burning fossil fuels as fast as possible will lead to technological advancements to mitigate the problems. It’s all wishful thinking and convienant blind faith.
That’s what Altman himself claims.
Bitcoiners make similar arguments about using energy being “good for the system”
If AI is a trillion dollar investment, what trillion dollar problem is it solving?
Why, the trillion dollars not yet in the pockets of the companies that think they can take advantage of AI of course.
The naked truth is that #4 answers #1. The biggest utility AI might provide would be replacing paid workers. That’s a trillion dollar problem if your ultimate goal is to hoard wealth and sit atop the highest pile of gold like a dragon.
So again, we have a solution to a problem only the wealthy elite have, being marketed as an advancement for the greater good of society, to justify stealing the massive resources it consumes, in order to not have to pay that directly to their workers.
Capitalism.
I love that Ed Zitron is getting more popular. He is on a ferocious rampage against the rot economy and I’m all here for it.
Maybe he should buy Red Lobster, force them into unfavorable contracts for supplies, sell out their land from under them, and lease the land back to them about it.
Okay, yes true. But have you considered that Big Number Go Up? Do you really want to miss the boat on this massive speculative opportunity?
That’s probably why Goldman Sachs is against AI all the sudden: They didn’t invest much in it and now everyone else is reaping gains in the stock market that they failed to take advantage of.
They didn’t invest much in it
Goldman was strongly bullish on Microsoft in mid-2023, right before it went on a historical run, precisely because they had enormous faith in the OpenAI project. This is a huge heel turn relative to their multi-billion dollar investment in the company from last year.
AI will get better
Aren’t LLM already pretty much out of (past) training data? Like, they’ve already chewed through Reddit/Facebook etc and are now caught up to current posts. Of course people will continue talking online and they’ll continue to use it to train AI. But if devouring decades of human data, basically everything online, resulted in models that hallucinate, lie to us, and regurgitate troll posts, how can it reach the exponential improvement they promise us!? It already has all the data, has been trained on it, and the average person still sees no value in it…
Your mistake is in thinking AI is giving incorrect responses. What if we simply change our definition of correctness and apply the rubric that whatever AI creates must be superior to human work product? What if we just assume AI is right and work backwards from there?
Then AI is actually perfect and the best thing to feed AI as training data is more AI output. That’s the next logical step forward. Eventually, we won’t even need humans. We’ll just have perfect machines perfectly executing perfection.
What if we invent inbred robots?
That’s pretty much what neural networks are
It already has all the data, has been trained on it, and the average person still sees no value in it…
And that data that it has been trained on is mostly “pre-GPT”. They’re going to have to spend another untold fortune in tagging and labeling data before training the newer ones because if they train on AI-generated content they will be prone to rot.
Me too.
The last part is wrong. They aren’t imagining improvement. They know this is it for now and they’re lying their asses off to pretend that they’ll be able to keep improving it when there’s no training data left. The grift is all that’s left.
Wait until these models start to poison themselves by consuming their own generated content…
The trillion dollar problem is paying billions of pesky workers to work
I like to read AI as Al (i.e. Allen) and pretend he’s just some guy stealing ideas, lying, and generally fucking up at his job. Al is an asshole
Weird Als Twitter account is worth a read: https://x.com/alyankovic/status/1670113967497433090?lang=en
Link to the article please?
No, not the research, the article they’re referring to by the tech reporter. But thank you.
Edit: This is the article: https://www.wheresyoured.at/pop-culture/
Commenting to save this for later
Haven’t found the specific article yet, but I believe this is his site. I’ll keep looking, but this should be a good start.
Edit: I’m big dumb. It looks like it’s the first one on the list.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Also, since the title of the article is “Pop Culture,” I’m not surprised you missed it. Direct link: https://www.wheresyoured.at/pop-culture/
Edit: Holy shit, read this article! Don’t just do the TL;DR.
This is all true if you take a tiny portion of what AI is and does (like generative AI) and try to extrapolate that to all of AI.
AI is a vast field. There are a huge number of NP-hard problems that AI is really really good at.
If you can reasonably define your problem in terms of some metric and your problem space has a lot of interdependencies, there’s a good chance AI is the best and possibly only (realistic) way to address it.
Generative AI has gotten all the hype because it looks cool. It’s seen as a big investment because it’s really expensive. A lot of the practical AI is for things like automated calibration. It’s objectively useful and not that expensive to train.
In my career I deal a lot with random, weird problems that servers have when doing work. Having an AI that’s just able to monitor logs and stats and then help with diagnosing issues or even suggesting solutions would be terribly useful.
That’s a great use case. Splunk does something along those lines. Logs are particularly nice because they tend to be so large that individual companies can often have the AI trained to the specifics of their environment.
The AI makes the art. The art is made into an NFT. The NFT goes on the blockchain. We all get rich. Climate is saved. End of story. How are people not getting this??? 😂😭
You have a tl;dr of this?
Edit: this was supposed to be a joke.
This IS the tl;dr of the article first off, and second, just read the top “paragraph” (in quotes because it’s only like 2 sentences). It’s basically the tldr of the tldr
I can summarise it with AI:
Ed Zitron, a tech beat reporter, criticizes a recent paper from Goldman Sachs, calling AI a “grift.” The article raises questions about the investment, the problem it solves, and the promise of AI getting better. It debunks misconceptions about AI, pointing out that AI has not been developed over decades and the American power grid cannot handle the load required for AI. The article also highlights that AI is not capable of replacing humans and that AI models use the same training data, making them a standstill for innovation.
