Is a communist the same as a progressive? A democratic socialist the same as an anarchist? Call me what you want but like I said, it’s reductive and meaningless.
Yes. It’s an American term used to describe those who are in opposition to conservative views. It’s not an ideology.
But please, tell me what being a progressive values compared to any other leftist. What makes a progressive different from a anarchist, communist, or a dem soc who have defined values and beliefs?
And the fact that you bought the abortion culture war bullshit tells me that you’re unintelligent. Do you actually believe a billionaire whose daughter hypothetically gets pregnant from rape won’t find her an abortion doctor?
Wake the fuck up. The ideology you subscribe to wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Or maybe it would, if you are filthy rich. If so, then shame on you. This isn’t a sport, it’s serious issues that affect millions of people who are not you.
But something tells me you would rather die than admit to yourself, and anyone else, that you are wrong.
In regards to American politics, not individuals, they’re correct. The American “Progressive” party is majority Reagan Republicans. You have outliers like Bernie. Well, only Bernie.
I see. Well, if I take what you’re saying as fully correct, then it sounds like communism compared to anarchism, is just “a different path for how we reach the same utopia”.
And this different path passes through more authority (quantity and quality), through the existence and emphasis of the state.
How much authority, is probably what makes the spectrum of Anarchy to Stalin-Lenin.
And well… As an anarchist, deafboy’s comment might be polemic, but I get it. Any authority that can, will get corrupted.
“In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat, or working class, holds control over state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional phase from a capitalist and a communist economy…”
Except, there’s no such thing as a communist economy, so the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to reallocate. Then peoole start to flee across the barbed wire and the facade falls down.
Can you back this claim up? Market economy is a term for a reason. An economy doesn’t have to be market to be an economy. Have you never heard of a planned economy?
the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to relocate
No. The transitional phase lasts as long there is classes that necessitate a state.
You have a very simplistic understanding of marxism that cannot be rectified through a fucking wikipedia search. Read the source material or stfu
I could read the lifework of Marx, but it wouldn’t change the unviability of planned economy. My parents and grandparents lived in one.
If we ever stumble upon some kind of mathematical or technological miracle, able to predict the future, I’d be worth to try again. Until then, socialism is a dangerous cult.
The statement “communism is a conservative authoritarian dogma” being backed up by referencing the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat is… definitely something
To play Devil’s Advocate, communism looks good on paper. The problem is human beings are involved. There will always be narcissistic, greedy, and psychopathic individuals who will abuse the will of the people to take control. There has never been a truly successful communistic system of government. Well, maybe Jeebus and the Apostles, but even Judas sold out for the silver.
No, I hate the term as it’s usually used as a pejorative and is so reductive as to be essentially meaningless. I’m a democratic socialist.
That’s a leftist. You’re a leftist, buddy.
I relate a bit, though. I think it’s cringe when socialists call each other “comrade”.
Is a communist the same as a progressive? A democratic socialist the same as an anarchist? Call me what you want but like I said, it’s reductive and meaningless.
Progressives aren’t a thing, it’s simply an Amaerica counter label to conservatives so they have something to attack.
And as an anarchist, I’ve no problem being lumped in with like minded views.
We’re leftists and proud of it.
Because you say so?
Nonsense.
Yes. It’s an American term used to describe those who are in opposition to conservative views. It’s not an ideology.
But please, tell me what being a progressive values compared to any other leftist. What makes a progressive different from a anarchist, communist, or a dem soc who have defined values and beliefs?
The desire to make everyone’s life better by progressing appropriate legislation.
That’s so vague that a conservative could call themselves progressive because they think it’s saving lives to ban abortion.
Fuck Milton Friedman.
And the fact that you bought the abortion culture war bullshit tells me that you’re unintelligent. Do you actually believe a billionaire whose daughter hypothetically gets pregnant from rape won’t find her an abortion doctor?
Wake the fuck up. The ideology you subscribe to wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Or maybe it would, if you are filthy rich. If so, then shame on you. This isn’t a sport, it’s serious issues that affect millions of people who are not you.
But something tells me you would rather die than admit to yourself, and anyone else, that you are wrong.
State ownership of utilities for one.
What, progressives are in favour of state owned utils or aren’t? Explain yourself properly.
State ownership of utilities for one.
Contrarian semantics aren’t clever.
In regards to American politics, not individuals, they’re correct. The American “Progressive” party is majority Reagan Republicans. You have outliers like Bernie. Well, only Bernie.
Communism is a conservative authoritarian dogma. The exact opossite of progress… or anarchy.
You’re thinking of ML tankies.
Communism is a stateless, classless, system where people enact mutualism and socialism without state coercion.
What makes this thing you’re describing, not anarchism?
I think you’re thinking of anarchocommunism specifically. Which is “not all communism”™.
State-based communism is a thing, that many people usually called tankies by others, do believe in.
The difference between non-ML tankie communism and anarchism is the means of getting there.
Communists want a vanguard state to slowly whittle away.
Anarchists want to skip that step.
I see. Well, if I take what you’re saying as fully correct, then it sounds like communism compared to anarchism, is just “a different path for how we reach the same utopia”.
And this different path passes through more authority (quantity and quality), through the existence and emphasis of the state.
How much authority, is probably what makes the spectrum of Anarchy to Stalin-Lenin.
And well… As an anarchist, deafboy’s comment might be polemic, but I get it. Any authority that can, will get corrupted.
Lol, said confidently by someone who very clearly has not read anything marxist
“In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat, or working class, holds control over state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional phase from a capitalist and a communist economy…”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat
Except, there’s no such thing as a communist economy, so the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to reallocate. Then peoole start to flee across the barbed wire and the facade falls down.
Can you back this claim up? Market economy is a term for a reason. An economy doesn’t have to be market to be an economy. Have you never heard of a planned economy?
No. The transitional phase lasts as long there is classes that necessitate a state.
You have a very simplistic understanding of marxism that cannot be rectified through a fucking wikipedia search. Read the source material or stfu
I could read the lifework of Marx, but it wouldn’t change the unviability of planned economy. My parents and grandparents lived in one.
If we ever stumble upon some kind of mathematical or technological miracle, able to predict the future, I’d be worth to try again. Until then, socialism is a dangerous cult.
The statement “communism is a conservative authoritarian dogma” being backed up by referencing the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat is… definitely something
It’s called the “Anal Extraction” fallacy.
Wrong.
To play Devil’s Advocate, communism looks good on paper. The problem is human beings are involved. There will always be narcissistic, greedy, and psychopathic individuals who will abuse the will of the people to take control. There has never been a truly successful communistic system of government. Well, maybe Jeebus and the Apostles, but even Judas sold out for the silver.
Why must we divide the tribe? I don’t know how leftist who can’t identify as such plans to exercise collective power. But you do you.
Why you gotta label me, bro?
It’s more embarrassing when people use the words “cringe” and “based.”
Eh, it adds variety. I’d grow rather bored of addressing everyone as “friend”, “buddy”, etc.