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      Yes. It’s an American term used to describe those who are in opposition to conservative views. It’s not an ideology.

      But please, tell me what being a progressive values compared to any other leftist. What makes a progressive different from a anarchist, communist, or a dem soc who have defined values and beliefs?

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          That’s so vague that a conservative could call themselves progressive because they think it’s saving lives to ban abortion.

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              Anarchism wouldn’t piss on me if I’m on fire? Doubt.

              I’m a hardcore burn the state down and send the rulers to the gallows if they resist leftist.

              “Progressive” is not a system of beliefs, it’s not an ideology, it’s a term Americans used to describe differentiate from their conservatives because they can’t just use the label “leftist” because surprise surprise most of them are filthy capos.

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          What, progressives are in favour of state owned utils or aren’t? Explain yourself properly.

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            What makes a progressive different from a anarchist, communist, or a dem soc who have defined values and beliefs?

            State ownership of utilities for one.

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              Yes and what about it?

              Socialists would be in favour of state ownership of resources.

              Anarchists and communists wouldn’t be in favour of a state.

              What do progressives value about state ownership of utils, are they for it, against it?

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                What do progressives value about state ownership of utils, are they for it, against it?

                If you can’t answer such a simple question yourself, I’m not sure there’s any point continuing this discussion. Have a great day.

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              Communists believe in state ownership of utilities as well as many other things atleast until the state withers away

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              This isn’t about clever sementics, it’s about them not being able to define what something is.

              Progressive isn’t an ideology, you can’t lump it in with leftist ideals because it doesn’t stand for anything.

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                  Progress to fucking what? Progress looks very different depending on which direction you want to progress in.

                  Likewise the opposite of conserve is not a fair go, that’s semantic bullshittery on your behalf. It’s change and change is neither good nor bad, much the same as conserving is neither good nor bad.

                  Various forms of socialism, communism, anarchism, and other leftist beliefs generally have a set of defining traits. What sets “progressive” as different from say georgism?