What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

If you do not like the faiths, why?

If you DO, also why? Does this come from your family? Maybe something went bad during your life?

I get that Lemmy might have the same stereotype in Reddit that there are loads of atheists, but there’s a good reason why despite criticism of religion, it is still here.

P.S. I am not religious or anti religious in any fashion, I am agnostic.

  • @zxqwas@lemmy.world
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    Attitude: I generally don’t care unless they try to tell me what to do based on their religion. This is generally never a problem, I’ve had more vegans and environmentalists bother me.

    Getting along: we have some high faith denomination of Christianity here. I’ve worked with a few and generally don’t notice unless they drop something heavy on their foot and don’t swear.

    Thought of believing: not since I was 12 or something.

    Do not like faiths: I acknowledge they can create a sense of community and belonging. I have a dim view of the dogma that tends to come with them.

  • @fubo@lemmy.world
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    Imagine if that person did all the same things they do, but without the label of “religion” being attached.

    Charity? Awesome! Habitat for Humanity is an explicitly Christian organization and does great work. In my neighborhood, the local Lutheran and Quaker churches give out free food to the poor, and they don’t sneak any Lutheran or Quaker cooties into it. If you’re good to others because you think God wants you to be good to others, that still really does count as being good to others.

    Prayer? Okay, take “religion” off of it and they’re meditating, thinking, or talking to themselves. That’s good. Unless they’re thinking and talking about torturing their neighbors eternally, or something creepy like that. (But even then, better to keep those fantasies to yourself than to act them out in public.) Die Gedanken sind frei — thoughts are free.

    Going to worship services? Okay, they’ve got a weekly social event where they sing songs and listen to speeches. Sounds great, unless the songs are about “everyone outside this room is a terrible person and deserves to suffer forever” and the speeches are about hate politics. If they’re about how wonderful it is to be nice to each other, or being brave and standing up against oppression, or something else that would be positive even without the label of “religion” on it, great!

    Dietary rules? It’s okay to have preferences, distinct cultures, cuisines, and so forth. For that matter: my family isn’t Jewish, but when I was little, we ate kosher beef hot dogs, because my mom expected the rabbis would care about the meat being sanitary. (Unfortunately in retrospect, kosher slaughter is, shall we say, not clearly better than secular slaughter.)

    • Snot Flickerman
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      I like this interpretation but last I checked the vegans aren’t going to vote for a despot who will kill all non-vegans, and that they don’t view the death of all non-vegans as a positive thing. (Most vegans I know are keenly aware they can only participate in veganism because of modern agricultural, distribution, and economic systems. They know veganism is an elitist choice that a lot of the world cannot make.)

      I think that’s the major difference here.

      • @fubo@lemmy.world
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        Sure. Voting for religious genocide is just as bad as voting for non-religious genocide: e.g. on the basis of nationalism, pseudoscience, or the like.

      • @jerkface@lemmy.ca
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        Wow, you sure did manage to slip in a bunch of self-serving misinformation about veganism for no fucking reason. Who are you actually trying to convince, I wonder. (I’m being sarcastic, I know perfectly well.)

  • @HarriPotero@lemmy.world
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    I treat religion like my penis.

    It’s ok not to have one.

    It’s ok to have one.

    It’s ok to be proud of it.

    But don’t display it in public, and don’t shove it down people’s throats.

    And NEVER whip it out in congress.

  • @Shou@lemmy.world
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    You aren’t born religious. You are indoctrinated. I grew up in a cult. It wasn’t nearly as bad as cults get, but it has its own insane ramblings “teachings”

    I escaped my indoctrination because I took it too seriously. I wanted to adhere perfectly, which resulted in finding out how convoluted and hypocritical it is. It is impossible.

    So in my confusion, I started to look more critically at the hows and whys. The result, religions all use the same dirty tactics to get people to believe. False promises, comforting lies and empty threats that will seem real to those who were taught magical thinking.

    I reject religion.

    But I cannot hate people who are religious for just being religious. They were a child when taught, or an adult so downtrodden they needed a fairy tale to continue life. Or perhaps just are a bit naive. It’s a slippery slope. So… I can’t blame people. I get it. I know what it’s like and it saddens me the older people get, the less likely they’ll ever escape the mental constriction religion brings.

    I sure as fuck hate a religious person for commiting hate crimes. They can go to hell.

  • Vanth
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    Raised Catholic, and I definitely see organized religion through that lens. I see charismatic leaders manipulating followers. I see systems to keep people, especially women and children, subservient. I see followers giving up responsibility for their own actions and beliefs. Even if a religion doesn’t start out that way, the way they organize makes them susceptible to the power-hungry who will corrupt it.

    Am I extremely sceptical of organized religion? Yes, doubly so of people who seek positions of authority within organized religion.

    Do I recognize some people who follow an organized religion are good and well-intentioned? Yes.

    Do I call bullshit on the people who think the only way to be a good person is by following an organized religion? Heck, yes.

  • molave
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    I don’t care unless they force me to believe the way they do.

      • @shapesandstuff@feddit.de
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        If you’re trying to make an analogy here, that’s incredibly short sighted.

        Forcing religious values down other ppls throats is trying to dictate their life.

        “forcing” aka asking to be referred to with certain pronouns is asking to have your own life respected.

        One is about having your beliefs respected, the other is demanding others to act as if they were part of your faith no matter if they believe or care.

        • Some religions believe that they should proselytize as many people as possible, so really not letting them convert you is disrespectful to their beliefs.

          I agree that there’s a difference, but I’m not sure a simple argument like this really works since it is difficult to say one belief is ‘better.’

          • molave
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            Proselytizing: You can say no without repercussions.

            “Forcing Their Beliefs:” You have to follow the religion or you will face legal/societal consequences.

          • @shapesandstuff@feddit.de
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            Not really the same thing at all though is it?

            Also bit of a weird constructed example. A faith like that can only lead to it’s followers taking offense or religious totalitarianism.

            Which is not something I’d engage with so idk why i would tolerate something so intolerant.

            The comparison is also kinda failing since one is a belief and the other isn’t.

            A more fitting comparison would be ostracising someone for their faith vs insisting to misgender someone despite better knowledge.

      • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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        I’d tell that person they’re being intolerant and offensive, and to fuck off.

        And I’ll tell you that that is an unrelated question to the topic, and that you are being offensive by injecting that question in such a manner. You can pick your religion. You cannot pick whether or not you have gender dysphoria.

      • molave
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        It’s not analogous nor related to the topic, but since you asked, this scenario requires a lot of assumptions.

        Is said person intentionally misgendering? I’ll make it quick. “Please respect [trans person]'s preferences.” It’s not my business to force them to comply or not.

        • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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          Taking a WAG at the number, I would say that 90% of people in your belief group would use soft power against someone that wouldnt go along with using their new pronouns. This includes things like banning them from social media, kicking them off youtube, debanking them, ect. Do you think that using influence like this is approapraite to get people to not offend the trans people?

            • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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              Okay then it sounds like you are like what normal christians are. The problem is that most of the people in your group will start yelling and use their soft force to get people to comply, which most christians dont do. So in the end your group is the one that is trying to use force to get people to follow their ideology.

        • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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          I wouldnt say anything. Modern christians in america are much much more accepting than those of the “woke” philosophy.

        • Mubelotix
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          It’s very different. Misgendering is illegal where I live, but you can’t be forced to care about someone else’s dumb beliefs

  • Zier
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    All religions are made up. No one has ever proven that a “god” or supernatural entity exists, no one, ever. It’s all mythology, fiction and “supernatural” nonsense. Ghosts, angels, demons, gods, spirits, pick a name, pick a flavor, none of it is real. It’s like insisting that Harry Potter, James Bond, Tinkerbell, Captain Kirk or Superman are actually real living people / spirits / entities, and they have the ability to control you now and after you die. Just because you, or someone claims it’s real does not make it factual. You are allowed to believe in whatever you want to, but you are NOT allowed to force others to believe that same thing. If you truly believe in your “religion”, you would research it in every way possible, reading pro and con information to get a balanced understanding of what you decided to believe in. You will learn where all the stories of your religion originate from, and that will actually decide what you choose to believe in. Religion is a lifestyle choice.

  • EleventhHour
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    Those who believe in an invisible sky wizard (or any other delusion) belong in psychotherapy.

    • Fluffery
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      It’s ok, I’ll pray for you /j

      I have a spiritual need and that’s liberation from this discrimitory bullshit /srs

  • @shapesandstuff@feddit.de
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    I don’t mind them doing their thing at home, but I could do without them shoving their lifestyle in everybody’s face in public.

    • @GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
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      I don’t tell non-straight people they can’t have their pride parade, I don’t tell people they shouldn’t kiss or hold hands in public, I don’t tell religious people they can’t have public displays, either. What I object to is if any of those groups insist I join them, or insist I don’t.

  • @klemptor@startrek.website
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    I’m atheist. My mom is a devout catholic (and raised me that way) and my dad is an atheist Jew. I never truly believed and mostly think religion is dumb, but I’m fine with everyone believing or not as they see fit. I’m not fine when others’ religion is forced on anyone else - e.g., abortion restrictions, the 10 commandments being displayed in Louisiana classrooms.

  • @daltotron@lemmy.ml
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    Mostly I find them annoying. I mildly understand the need for human meaning as it kind of, tends to come up later at night, or for the elderly, or when life really sucks or you tend to even just be really really bored right.

    I also understand some of the benefits, right, like. As much as people will despise to admit it, you don’t get, say, the number zero without the Muslim science guys, and you don’t get science without the enlightenment which stemmed out of some weirdass Catholic Christian theory guys. and then everyone’s all like, oh no well you can’t attribute that to the Catholics and if anything they hampered progress, and I’d say, well, maybe, maybe, but also maybe science sucks as we commonly understand it and maybe also you can’t really divorce any part of things from their cultural context, or else things get fucky.

    On the other hand I find them annoying and I find that all to be totally null and void because the vast majority of people are just using it as an opiate to placate literally all of their anxieties about the world with a bunch of meaningless thought terminating cliche style statements, and even actively reinforce their own participation in some of the worst aspects of their own culture and society even at points in which they really don’t want to or know that it’s horrible and is causing them pain.

    So I dunno, mostly it sucks.

  • @lud@lemm.ee
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    I don’t really care if they believe in something.

    I would never try to convince them to stop or anything like that.

    I think the type of people that frequent Reddit and Lemmy and constantly complain and mock religious people are the worst.

  • I just don’t support dogmatic thinking and indoctrination, especially when it creeps into politics, which is inevitable at the scale of the most popular religions.

    In theory I have no problem with other people’s faith, but in practice it degrades the critical thinking capacity of our population and, paradoxically, the moral capacity as well. That’s a net negative in my opinion.

    Charities exist without religion. I think religions often teach good moral frameworks, though very traditional. But those come with a huge caveat that you cut out a big hole in your brain for the belief that God exists and cares about how you behave. That one idea leads to so much trouble, from false prophets to normalized misogyny and hatred of gay people.