• Anarch157a@lemmy.world
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    According to the open-source intelligence (OSINT) site Molfar, Ukraine has sunk or damaged nearly 60 ships of the Russian Navy.

    How, for fuck sake, Russia managed to lose 60 ships to a country that has NO NAVY ?!?

    Holy! Shit!

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      Drones and missiles. Air power long ago surpassed ship power and a landmass makes one hell of an aircraft carrier.

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      Marine drones. Basically remote control exploding speed boats, some with rockets on them. They basically attack like hyaenas bringing down a zebra.

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      That is genuinely amazing, losing 60 ships to a country without an actually big navy. Invading Ukraine to have warm waters for your navy, and you still lose.

      This is Russia’s “don’t invade Russia in winter”. Don’t launch a naval assault on Ukraine, apparently.

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      You really gotta count how many cheap boat Ukrainians lost trying to sink 60 ships. Ofc they (suicide boats) are much, much, much cheaper and cause no crew casualties being remotely controlled. So it is super cost effective, And most importantly safe, but if you count pure numbers i am sure Ukrainian losses of those boats are massively higher.

      But the fact that russians can still use their missles ships to launch missiles is a big issue. Even if there are fewer of those ships, its not 0 :(… Yet

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        You really gotta count how many cheap boat Ukrainians lost trying to sink 60 ships.

        That’s like counting cruise missiles as aircrafts.

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          You missed the point (and i should have perhaps been clearer), the chap was saying “no navy”, i am pointing out that suicide drones are still part of that navy and Ukrainians had 15000 personal at the start of the war in the navy.

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        In the time it would take the current Russian defense industry to build and deploy one of these new missile ships, Ukraine could build and deploy a thousand of these little RC Boat Bombs from 1/1000th the cost.

        They’re literally making these boats out of rebuilt engines and 3d printed parts. Russia won’t recover from this war in our lifetime as long as they embrace Putin style leadership.

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          If they keep this war up, with the current losses in manpower, for another 8 to 9 months, they won’t have enough Russian males to repopulate the country. Putin may be effectively killing Russia as a country. Unfortunately Ukraine may hit that point sooner since they have fewer people.

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          Thats why i said, they are amazing value for money. But sould be interesting to know just how many boats it takes to take out 60 or so ships

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            From previous videos I’ve seen it seems like they send 3-6 of these vehicles at a ship each time.

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    That’s impressive.

    I’m now wondering how fucking useless the Russian navy would be fighting a nation that also had a navy.

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    He [Putin] also said that the fleet is being replenished with new ships, equipped with modern weapons, and that domestic shipbuilders will hand over more than 40 vessels to the Defense Ministry this year.

    Sure, do that.

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      Is 40 a lot? That seems quite ambitious but I have no idea how long it takes to build one.

      Edit: Russia’s built ~16 of these Karakurt-class ships since 2018 lol. So no, it won’t be 40 missle boats.

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          Russia’s high tech side of their military industrial complex is incredibly weak compared to the old USSR days

          They’ve been screwed since like the '60s because of the gap in microprocessor tech.

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            Yeah, let’s face it: the USSR collapsed for a reason, and its MIC was already failing by the time it did.

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        Yeah I can believe they’re getting 40 vessels in the next year if they include literally everything they’re getting. They certainly aren’t getting 40 corvettes.

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          It really depends on the kind of vessel though. China for instance has a ton of ships but less than tonnage than the US, and if you restrict that to ships that could realistically conduct long range opperations that tonnage is buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo even lower than the UK and Japan (not combined). So Russia could just be launching 40 new patrol boats next year, or maybe 2 actual ships and 38 patrol boats.

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        Depends. 40 RC sail boats? No, not very impressive. 40 supercarriers? Yes, very impressive.

        At this point, I wouldn’t put it past Russia to claim 40 RC sail boats as “new ships in the fleet”.

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      No way they’re replacing the bigger ones, like the Moskva. That one was built in a yard that’s now in Ukraine, and Russia hasn’t gotten that part back. Even if they did, Ukraine hadn’t really maintained it.

      It was also launched in 1979, and they haven’t built anything that size since the USSR fell.

      They’d have to rebuild the infrastructure needed to build the ship. These losses are irreplaceable.

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        iirc they did build one for Admiral Kuznetsov. It also left that dry dock not that long ago so it’s open now. They’re having trouble funding anything larger than the Adm. Gorshkov class though. Which is about 50 meters shorter. So even if they did decide to throw down a 180M long guided missile cruiser they wouldn’t be able to fund it. In fact they’ve been trying to get something called the Lidar class going and the Russian Navy is just like, “Nyet.”

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      I’d be willing to take a wild guess and say that at least 30+ of those new vessels are small support boats.

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        We put Kalashnikov on Sergey’s rowboat, Ukraine cowers before invincible Russian engineering!

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      Well, they seem to be replenishing their submersible fleet in the Black Sea with lots of new under water vessels: for every ship they lose they get a new sub…

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      Good thing Putin is just as confused as whoever the next US President will be. Good thing these guys are in charge of the nukes.

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      Yeah, except that per the Montreux Convention, because Turkey has recognized that Russia is “at war”, Russia is not allowed to transit any warships through the Bosporus Strait, so any new combat ship they make has to be made in the Black Sea.

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    I know they’re saying Ukraine sunk those ships…but the headline makes it sound like Putin is saying “Now where did I put that military ship? Was it in the baltic sea? Did I harbor it in the Atlantic? Oh who can keep track of these things???”

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      There’s this one time my brother was playing some Total War (I think?) And he told me he lost his army. I gave my condolences and he said “No, I lost lost it. I don’t remember where I placed them and now I can’t find them.”

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    Russian Propaganda: “Our Glorious Nation has acquired a brand new submersible to help its fight against NATO in Ukraine”