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        It’s called a plutocracy … a system built on power and those who hold power.

        Whatever it is … it isn’t a democracy.

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        When people talk about the illegitimacy of democracy under capitalism, this scarecrow and her late husband are why.

        How can democracy co-exist in an economic system where orgs are run like dictatorships from the top down, and individuals hold more wealth, power, and influence than entire nation states — despite those orgs employing, and being dependent on, thousands or millions of workers?

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          I’m no fan of capitalism, but this type of electoral dysfunction seems to run particularly deep in America. There’s many other democracies in capitalist nations that have the basic sense to treat such brazen bribery as a crime.

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        It’s not. At the end of the day, their vote is still just one of many.

        Fucking vote. Get your friends to vote. Volunteer for a campaign. There are a ton of liberal groups that call people or knock on doors to get out the vote.

        The only thing she has is money which hires… people to get out the vote. Commercials, endorsements, etc. none of that was enough to get Hillary elected. GOTV is what works. Fucking do it.

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        Exactly, for all literal and realistic practical purposes, their opinion is absolutely more valuable than the rest of us. It’s not that they “think” it is, it’s a simple matter of fact.

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          and yet their necks are all roughly the same size as everyone else’s.

          How very curious.

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        It will go down as one of Republicans most favorite rulings and also the worst ruling the scotus has made… (Insert homer and Bart meme: worst so far.)

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    Seriously - how can any person be so brazenly and thoroughly warped?

    I can only assume that, like so many of the fabulously wealthy, she’s profoundly mentally ill, such that she really can’t grasp the enormous human cost that fulfilling her petty, selfish and ultimately pointless desires would entail. It can only be the case that she genuinely can’t grasp the fact that the millions of people who would be made to suffer or die for this are actual people - actual beings with lives and loved ones who are every bit as important to them as hers are to her.

    It’s either that or she’s genuinely evil, in the purest sense of the word, and on a scale the world has rarely seen.

    So which is it Ms. Adelson? Are you insane or simply evil? There’s absolutely no doubt - none at all - that it’s one or the other.

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      Psychopathy.

      To get that rich, one needs to be able to think of other people as things. “Human Resources” as such.

      If other people are things then there’s no moral problem “decommissioning” them be it redundancy or killing.

      What would make her evil is, if knowing this, she makes no effort to mitigate it. Given she’s a billionaire: evil.

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    Original title: Miriam Adelson’s Unfinished Business What does the eighth richest woman in the world want?

    The article shows how aggressively anti-peace she is and her beliefs about the land to support the above claim

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        Sheldon Gary Adelson (August 4, 1933 – January 11, 2021) was an American businessman,[2] investor, political donor, and philanthropist.[3][4][5] He was the founder, chairman and chief executive officer of Las Vegas Sands Corporation, which owns the Marina Bay Sands in Singapore, and the parent company of Venetian Macao Limited, which operated The Venetian Las Vegas and the Sands Expo and Convention Center before selling the properties in early 2022.[6] He owned the Israeli daily newspaper Israel Hayom, the Israeli weekly newspaper Makor Rishon, and the American daily newspaper the Las Vegas Review-Journal.[7][8]

        Adelson created the Adelson Foundation in 2007, a private charity focusing on healthcare and support of Israel and the Jewish people. He was a major contributor to Republican Party candidates[9][10] and was often dubbed a “kingmaker” due to the size and frequency of his donations.[11][12] He and his wife Miriam Adelson were Donald Trump’s largest donors, providing the largest donation to Trump’s 2016 campaign, his presidential inauguration, his defense fund against the Mueller investigation into Russian interference, and the 2020 campaign.[13][14][15][16][17][18] He was also a major backer of Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.[19]

        In 2020, Forbes listed his net worth as US$29.8 billion.[20]

        He died in 2021

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          If anybody reading this is voting against Biden because of Palestine (effectively a vote for trump under fptp) these are trumps #1 fans and bill payers

          Pro trump is not pro Palestine.

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            This article should make it even more patently clear to everyone that the situation in Palestine would get much worse if Trump wins.

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        Funny how you can basically buy those. Just gotta be filthy rich and ethically bankrupt.

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      I mean… is it really anti-peace if she wants to end the war? Generally there’s peace for a while after someone completely wins.

      Would people who supported the US joining WW2 so they could wreck the Axis be anti-peace?

      Things to ponder.

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        The eradication of millions of civilians is definitely anti-peace.

        A similar situation would be the US joining WW2 on the Axis side. I mean once Britain, France, Russia, China, and the Jews were finished off, there’d be peace for a while right?

        Ponder what unconditional support for Israel would mean for Palestinians in our current landscape.

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          You joke about the WW2 thing, but yes, that would have resulted in peace as well. Peace is peace, regardless of who wins.

          There was peace after Genghis khan conquered most of Asia too.

          I don’t ponder what unconditional support for Israel would mean for Palestinians in our current landscape, it would mean them being displaced to neighboring countries. Almost exactly the same as is happening in a half dozen other areas of the globe right now. You could displace every single Palestinian and it would still cause fewer refugees than the current number of refugees from Syria’s civil war, which has killed over a half million people.

          I haven’t heard of a single university protest over Syria though.

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            Lots to unpack, let’s hit the big ones. Do any means justify peace? Is mass murder of entire countries okay because it would result in less overall friction afterward? How long does peace need to last after for it to make it worth it?

            Displacement. Is it fair to the people who have lived in a country for generations to leave because of other’s actions? Moreso, many of them currently /want/ to leave (really really bad) but can’t, what should they do? And also, how is that fair to neighboring countries, they’re just required to take in refugees because Israel wants more land? (What if there weren’t neighboring countries?)

            Finally, (please educate me), are universities very invested in Syrian companies/industries? That’s what the current protests are about, divestment from Israel. Are you required to care about all atrocities in order to care for one? What line marks which bad things in the world protesters should inclusively be knowledgeable about?

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              I’d argue that if Israel is attempting mass murder, they’re absolute shit at it. Sure they’ve killed a couple of tens of thousand Palestinians, but there’s something like 5 million of them, they’re having babies faster than Israel is killing people.

              As for Displacement, most Palestinians haven’t lived there for generations, a lot of the current population comes from immigrants/internal migration from the surrounding region during the British Occupation, and also from the wars (Egypt owned Gaza for 20 years after the british left) The population of Palestine has grown so fast in the last 30 years that the median age is 19.6 (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/#:~:text=The population density in the,2%2C311 people per mi2).&text=The%20median%20age%20in%20the%20State%20of%20Palestine%20is%2019.6%20years.)

              How is it fair to neighboring countries? You mean the ones that invaded Israel because they weren’t happy with the UN drawn borders after the wars? The ones that occupied those territories and brought people in? Most of the people are THEIR people to begin with.

              If there weren’t neighboring countries, Palestinians wouldn’t exist. They would have been removed entirely 70 years ago without the invasion by those arab countries.

              Most universities aren’t heavily invested in Israeli anything… Israel only accounts for something like 40 Billion in total foreign direct investment, while Canada, the US, Mexico are each measured in Trillions of dollars. Unless a specific university went out of their way to pick up an Israeli-attached portfolio, it likely accounts for less than 1% of their total investments.

              Here’s a quote from the encampment people at my local university with their divestment demands: the university leases space to a marine company that has in the past helped produce equipment for Israel, the university has $4.3 million invested in Blackrock (a global asset management company) that in turn invests part of its funds in companies like Lockheed and Boeing which have relations with Israel, and the university has 250k invested in Scotiabank, which is in turn an investor in a single Israeli weapons company. The total endowment for this university is over 500 million dollars, so less than 1% is invested in companies that are themselves only partially invested in Israeli-attached companies.

              If a fraction of 1% is enough to cause an encampment, then yes, there’s likely some Syria-attached companies in the mix there too and nobody gives a shit about that (and it’s been actively killing more people per year than Israel for more than a decade)

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                How long will that rate of death last when they’re also causing mass famine while controlling the borders? You know starvation can cause number of deaths across a population to skyrocket, right?

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        It would be the same as ending the war Ukraine by letting Russia keep what they stole. Zero incentive not to keep doing it and it validates the side of the aggressor by saying “wow you both need to stop fighting”.

        Right-wingers love to cite self-defense as reasons why they should own guns and be able to shoot people who simply knock on their front door but the second a brown person does it after years of being systematically oppressed/genocided suddenly they’re just as guilty as the oppressor, if not more so.

        In short, wanting peace in that way is a pretty little lie meant to legitimize terror campaigns and invalidate the damage done to the victims. It’s full of horseshit.

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            In the same way that North Korea has “Democratic” in the name, sure. It’s all so surface level as to be essentially meaningless. While I agree that fairness does involve some arguing of that kind of a technicality it really only serves to validate the idea that Israel is justified in any way.

            Israel wants to eradicate an entire culture and their people. They want to steal their land and are doing so with the help of major world powers. They bomb hospitals, shoot civilians, and terrorize Palestinians on the basis that they’re somehow owed that land. Hamas retaliated and now Israel is complaining by obliterating the entire country. The “peace” this lady wants is the peace for Israel to continue to do these things without retaliation. She doesn’t want peace, she wants submission.

            The mega rich are just terrified of consequences and try, every day, to get their poor behaviour and lack of humanity written into laws and precedent so that they don’t have to ever to take blame for any of the rotten shit they pull.

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            Sure, if you consider the complete destruction of an entire ethnic group of people to be “peace”. Can’t fight if they’re all dead. But if you truly do think that way, you are the problem and I recommend a long walk off a short pier.

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        The current war is in Gaza (controlled by Hamas), she’s talking about starting a new war with the West Bank (controlled by the Palestinian Authority).

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          The current war is in multiple places, it’s hardly restricted to only Gaza. Even other countries (or at least nominally the “terrorist groups” in those countries) are firing missiles across the border into Israel. Lebanon, Syria, even Iran sent that massive drone attack.

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    I’m no anthropologist or anything, but I’m pretty sure the annexation of the West Bank would guarantee a permanent guerilla terrorist force operating within Israel’s borders for the foreseeable future. Israel would never know peace. In 200 years they’ll probably still trying to snuff out terrorist cells constantly killing civilians.

    Just with this war they have created thousands of fresh new volunteers for Hamas both within and outside the general area of the conflict.

    The way out of this is more empathy for the Palestinians, not less.

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      To be completely fair there is no way out of this.

      Both sides will accept nothing but the COMPLETE destruction of the other side.

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        No? Israel is and has always been the deciding factor in whatever happens with Palestine. They refused a legitimate 2 state solution, continuously have stolen land from the west bank and Gaza, and are openly genocidal towards Palestinians?

        How can you both sides this in a comment thread under an article about a zionist literally trying to pay off an American politician to support the Israeli government in committing crimes against humanity?

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          Bullshit, if you think Hamas would have kept the peace on any level. Or the terrorists that pre-dated Hamas…

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            “Would have”

            Cool, but I don’t care about this weird hypothetical world you’re talking about that we do not live in and have never lived in. The Israeli military is armed by the United States with american weapons. The IDF, with American guns and missiles and planes and tanks, is in no way threatened by what a group of disenfranchised Muslim extremists can cobble together. It’s never even been close, not in 1949 and not for one second since then. They are essentially prisoners of the state. They are disenfranchised. They do not have access to land to till and raise animals in. They do not have freedom of movement. The water they have is controlled by Israel, the electricity they have is controlled by Israel, the medical supplies they have are controlled by Israel. The strip is an open air enclave. The west bank is and has been slowly being annexed by Israel (crime against humanity) over the last 60 years.

            You’re talking about a population of 2 million people with 1 struggling to operate hospital. Who have been mass murdered thousands of times over the last 100 years by the IDF and Israeli state. This road does not go both ways and it never has. They literally mowed starving Palestinian men women children and elderly down with machine guns. People following a truck carrying flour because they are desperate for food. There are children starving to death in hospitals. We have people who need medications to survive dying because the IDF and the Israeli state and the zionists are doing everything they possibly can to prevent them for getting those things.

            It’s time for you to open your fucking eyes. You’re trying to both sides a genocide, equating the genociders with the victims.

            You referred to “Arabs in the area” in another comment of yours too, equating hamas with all Muslim people in the middle east. Ask yourself why you’re generalizing a population of hundreds of millions of people and claiming they are all genocidally antisemitic.

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        I’m guessing that’s because no adequate partition of a continuous extension of territory with an equitable distribution of viable habitable construction space and access to resources and the Mediterranean has not been made yet since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

        I can assure you even the most militant, radicalized Hamas members would leap at such proposal with smiles on their faces. Even if it benefited slighly Israel more, they’d still do it, no problem.

        Do you truly believe any proposals so far have been in any way, shape or form even approximately fair in the same measure for both parties ?

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          Of course not, Israel wants the rest of their ancient land. And the Arabs in the area want them gone completely.

          Anyone that claims differently is being disingenuous, or out right lying.

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            Yeah maybe it started out that way for sure, but after so much death people on both sides are starting to consider other options. You can see that in Israel right now, people who are rejecting this narrative of either us or them. Maybe the crazies will always think this way, but over time people will be willing to make concessions. After all what good is it to rule a pile of rubble constantly under attack ?

            A half promised land at peace is better than an entire promised land constantly in war economy. It’s not only quality of life we’re talking about. The entirety of the Jewish people is being blemished and shamed by the current actions of Israel.

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              I hope your right, but the pessimist in me is seeing more crazies in control not less. (Same here in US, shit is scary)

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      Not if you push out the people living there, which has been how Israel has historically done it.

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      it’s important, critical, to remember that Israel didn’t blunder into this conflict; they were warned by internal and external intelligence that Hamas was going to attack, that it was going to be big.

      Any rational actor would have readied their defenses, Bibi didn’t care. This is because Bibi needed the conflict to stay in office. And now Bibi’s jerking around POTUS.

      Bibi’s been growing Hamas for decades. It serves his needs.

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      You’re basically describing the situation we’ve been in since the Nahkba in 1948.

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    alternate headline: the adelson’s give billions to republican candidate again like they did every cycle.

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    She’s from Israel, she’s 78 and she’s got his (American, not relevant) husband’s money. She already supported Trump, who gave her some medal once elected.
    Bye bye Miriam, despite your (husband’s) money, you will be forgotten

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    trumps top supporter in 2020 election has threatened to… support trump.

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    A real eye opener for everyone (except Trump supporters) where some of the rich want the world to go to … (or am i right?)

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    i love it when these people get their names exposed in the media. i might not have even known who she was. now we can put her on a list. did you put her on a list? you should.

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    Billionaires gonna bill ya for air

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        Yes, the one that has said for 50 years he will always support Israel no matter what…

        Like,remember when he had that falsified report claiming no evidence American weapons had been used in the genocide?

        He said that was why he could keep providing munitions…

        Then there was an indisputable evidence of American munitions used in Raffah…

        And he’s done…

        What exactly?

        Besides continuing to break US and international law by providing munitions used in a genocide.

        Biden can draw asany lines as he wants, Bibi seems to enjoy leaping over them immediately. And it’s not like Biden has anything else he could be doing.

        Edit:

        Did you even read that two sentence article?

        It doesn’t really provide any info, so not sure why you’re linking it.

        But Biden’s “deal” is literally what Israel wants, it’s not even a permanent deal…

        And Hamas isn’t accepting that, they accepted a deal that leads to a permanent ceasefire, not a 6 week pause.

        That’s what Biden is pushing, Hamas gives up everything, and Israel tries to avoid killing civilians for a month and a half.

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          Did you read about the Trump peace deal (organized via his kids!), which would require only Palestinians to make concessions, giving up land, giving up freedoms, being subject Israel’s security forces, giving them no rights, and which gave all power to Israel (and which obviously fell through)?

          Biden applies political pressure on Netanyahu to push for ceasefire:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/02/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-biden/

          Trump plans to pressure Palestinians:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

          The plan proposed a series of Palestinian enclaves surrounded by an enlarged Israel,

          Netanyahu announced that the Israeli government would immediately annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank settlements while committing not to create new settlements in areas left to the Palestinians for at least four years. U.S. Ambassador to Israel David M. Friedman claimed that the Trump administration had given permission for an immediate annexation, stating that “Israel does not have to wait at all”

          The plan itself places no conditions on Israel with regard to proposals to “annex parts of the West Bank”.[8]

          The plan puts the Palestinians on probation, establishing a set of conditions they must meet and adopting Netanyahu’s view that a shrunken Palestinian entity will be a state in name only; Israel will control of its borders, air space, electro-magnetic spectrum, foreign policy and security

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            Yes…

            It’s bad when trump supports a genocidal regime…

            It’s bad when Biden supports a genocidal regime…

            Now, here’s the big one. Get up and stretch, take a nice long deep breathe.

            Ready?

            It’s bad when literally fucking anyone supports a genocidal regime.

            Here’s another big one:

            If you excuse Dems for doing something because trump does it too, then if you don’t slow down and look around, you’re going to be supporting someone just like trump, because republicans found some asshole even worse.

            Republicans won’t magically get better

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              I don’t excuse the dems, but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

              Netanyahu would not be angry at Biden for his demands if Biden was fine with everything they do.

              Netanyahu would not prefer to have Trump back if the two were equal.

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                but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

                No I don’t, because he obviously is.

                It’s just neither of them are good enough to be president.

                Like,you know there’s not really a valid reason to run unpopular neoliberals just because trump is in office right?

                We could just runnwhat Dems historically do very very well with:

                A young charismatic person running a progressive campaign.

                There is literally no reason to be running someone the majority of registered Dem voters don’t want to be president, just because they don’t want the Republican.

                How does that system make any logical sense?

                How will shit ever improve?

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                  Ok, then tell me who that candidate is who can win instead of Biden.

                  I’m waiting.

                  I am not super fond of Biden, and wouldn’t mind seeing him replaced. But my top priority is harm reduction, and switching to a candidate who can’t beat Trump would send USA into turmoil

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            Biden has helped clear away 115 sq miles of Gaza land for Trumps kids. Its fucking insane how groups if people will overlook whats actually happening and be terrified of what might happen,

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              Have you seen Trump’s history of actions? It’s not what “might” happen, it’s a certainty he’ll make it worse

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                Yes, and I’ve also seen Biden’s history of actions, evidence that neither one of them represents the working class.

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                  Biden who canceled tons of student debt and supported unions, not supporting the working class?

                  Do you favor the Trump who supported companies above unionizing workers?

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          The Biden who had nothing to do with this article but you felt the need to bring up just to shit on anyway?

          We all get it dude, you hate Biden. You can stop mentioning it in every fucking thread.

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        We are talking about the biden that is only talking peace deal to save his election. We all know he wont follow through with it and Israel has already said they dont approve.

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          Politicians are mostly assholes. We got this one to move in the right direction… his opponent is still advocating for “ending the war quick” and would likely start sending over war-crime munitions.

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            Out of one side of his mouth, Biden talks about peace out of the other side of his mouth, he talks about sending more money and weapons. One side is lying and it’s not the side about sending money and weapons

            We got this one to move in the right direction

            What direction is that, he didn’t listen when they said defund cops, didn’t listen when we said universal healthcare, didn’t listen when we sent cease fire, didn’t listen when we said expand marginalized rights.

            So what direction did you move them?

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          Can you provide a link to this “save his election” Idea? I’m having a hard time finding anything that’s communicating his thoughts about that.