So the people who screamed about the scary, scary BLM protesters rioting due to what they (rightly) viewed as a miscarriage of justice now think rioting should happen because of what they (wrongly) view as a miscarriage of justice.
As usual, it’s okay with they do it.
Everything. Is. A. Projection.
Literally everything. They’re afriad of Land Back because they fear the Native peoples will take the land the same way the founders of America took it. They’re afraid of equality because they think when Black people do better it must mean they themselves will be worse off because they cant imagine wealth without exploitation, the way they used to make wealth for themselves.
They took their stupid shot on Jan 6th and then they realized they were mostly larpers. Projection to the point of action.
They took their first (arguably second after Charlottesville or the Bible photo op BS) shot on Jan 6. Don’t think there won’t be a second attempt. They view this guy as a messiah and they view themselves as religious. Him not getting what they want is a dangerous combination. He’s already shown the “greater good” has no place in his world.
Beer Hall Putsch
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It’s kind of wild actually. When Trump talks about this case being “fixed,” and the judge as being “corrupt,” he’s telling us exactly what’s going on in his other trial with Trump appointee and person with no prior trial experience (if I recall correctly) before being appointed to her seat on (looks at notes) huh, the “United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida.”
Wait a second…
The thing I think is the most irreconcilable, incompromisable, consistently demonstrated behavior of The Right in America is the blatant hypocrisy about nearly all of their planks. It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.
- Everyone needs guns to defend themselves from The State, because 2A! (Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong)
- The government shouldn’t be allowed to tell us how to live! (Except for LGBTQ* people, women’s choices about their own bodies, or homeless people)
- The Constitution is sacrosanct! (Except for the part about separation of church and state, we just ignore that part)
It’s the same for their every. Single. Position. It makes me weary, and furious, depressed and pessimistic.
Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong
Don’t forget Philando Castile, a legal gun owner who did exactly what the NRA said you should do when pulled over with a gun in the car and got shot. The NRA made barely a peep about it. Can’t imagine white.
Fuck the NRA. The majority of gun owners who aren’t NRA tit suckin cop fuckers, still are pissed about that injustice, same with Breonna Taylor and Kenneth Walker. Anyone suggesting the police are there for them and want to disarm us all, these cases and a bunch more like them, are why we say fuck no.
While I personallywould prefer a constitutional amendment that overrides the 2nd, I’m not giving up my guns until the cops are no longer armed criminals, and you’re never getting my crossbows.
Castile wasn’t the last of it, either. Roger Fortson recently was gunned down for simply having a gun. He was not brandishing or pointing it at anyone. It was a very similar situation, just not a vehicle stop.
It won’t stop until someone makes it stop. Qualified Immunity has got to fucking go.
Qualified Immunity is illegal according to the law that Congress passed in 1871.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
Can’t imagine white.
Well, that’s it, right? Because not-white.
I wish I could after on the guns things but I should not own a gun! I have a history of depression and I super don’t want to have easy access.
That said, put a gun in my hands and I’ll do my part to end fascism. I’m even a fairly decent shot for having only fired a gun 3 different times. Just please take the thing away from me when I rotate out.
Better yet, get me an fpv headset.
When I joined the militia I had promised myself to kill one Fascist – after all, if each of us killed one they would soon be extinct… -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
I’m not advocating anyone buy a gun, mind you. My general opinion on guns is the same about cars: the only person I truly trust to operate one is me; the rest of all y’all are just generally unreliable.
That said: get a long gun. Any non-Bulpup rifle with a 20” or longer barrel - it’s really hard to commit suicide with a long rifle. You can find a way, sure, but there are far easier, more reliable ways to off yourself than trying to figure out how to pull a trigger you can’t reach when the bangy end is pointed at your head. And the knowledge that most people who try doing this end up still alive but permanently mangled and with reduced faculties may drive you to seek those alternative methods.
Another plus for a rifle is that it’s simply a better weapon for killing fascists. We have a lot of evidence that handguns are almost never used in armed conflicts. They’re far less powerful than rifles (in general), and their effective ranges are drastically shorter. Get a cheap optic, do some practice shooting, and you’ll be better armed and prepared than any open-carry idiot running around armed only with their trusty Colt M1911 with official Trump pistol grips.
I really wish that last part was a joke.
I don’t mean to come across as minimizing mental health issues. I also can’t prevent you from trying to off yourself. All that said, I hope you are able to get help, and get healthy.
Hey thanks, this is an idea that I hadn’t thought much about and I’ll have to consider it. I also need consider storage and how to get to a range without a car but those things are workable.
As for my mental health, I’m doing well and feel in a good place all around. I got married a year and a half ago and have a stable life. I’m doing good. This will have to be a process if I’m going to buy a rifle but your arguments have opened me to the idea.
Glad to hear you’re in a more stable place! I know it’s a constant struggle; rarely do people just “get better” and never gave issues again, but I’m glad that you’re on top of it.
Open carry is legal almost everywhere in the US. You could literally put a sling on it, strap it on your back, and ride your bike to the range. If you shoot a common caliber, you can buy ammo when you get there (assuming it’s a range in or near a store). You’d need to check your local laws about what you need to do to open carry a gun and ammunition; like, can you have it in a protective case?
Anyway, good luck with your journey.
It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.
Nationals and Phillies fans seem unfairly targeted…
St. Louis Cardinals started selling blue ball caps. Not sure if it’s related to the 2016+ phenomenon, but I like to think it is.
Yeah, well, if they’re still wearing that shit during an active civil war - I mean, we’re taking about Phillies fans, so no great loss.
(Note: I lived on The Mainline for 20 years, so I think I’m allowed some ribbing. Phillies fans not only regularly trash Philadelphia in drunken riots after games, they also came to my new state and totally trashed Minneapolis while they were here. I don’t believe there’s a worse bunch of hooligans in the States.)
“But this time the guy was
whiterichRepublicaninnocent!”And if they make that argument, I’ll tell them that means they believe people are “guilty until proven innocent” and don’t deserve a trial by a jury of their peers, which is as unAmerican an idea as you can get.
Not going to be useful. They don’t want a democracy, they don’t want a justice system. They want a king and the ability to use state power to shit on other people.
Trust me, I am in Indiana. I’m surrounded by these flag-waving morons. You call them unAmerican and they lose their shit. And all I have to do is pull up the Bill of Rights.
Either PBS or NPR had a thing a few years back where they’d read sections of the Bill of Right on air, as part of Independence Day celebrations.
The right wing folks who heard it thought it was communist propaganda.
Do they not still do that? I’ve had to listen to a lot less NPR since my daughter decided I’m not allowed to listen to the radio in the car.
I get all this talk about their rights yet they seem so fundamentally opposed to me having mine.
These people are terrible citizens.
No argument from me. As the person above said, they don’t want a democracy or a justice system. They are as bad a citizen you can get without actively sending classified information to a rival power.
They are all members of the cult, just sadly the majority of them don’t realize they are. This is David Koresh on steroids! He has a platform previous cults did not, and has captured a political party to use for recruitment. It has become apparent that at some point the media and the country need to start treating his cult as such, and we need to figure out how to “rescue” millions of people that would do anything for their cult leader because they have broken all tethers to reality. Putting the cult leader in jail is not going to bring these people back, and is going to require mental health resources on a scale the US (and the world) has never had to deal with before. This is going to have repercussions for generations.
They’re downright bad people too. They dont get to do a few good deeds while trying to use political power to do away with human life and human rights without being called the moster they are.
No, according to DJT, “very innocent”, which is as reassuring as “a little bit pregnant”.
Yes. That’s literally the platform. They say whatever they have to to cover their asses because all they really care about it being able to do whatever they want while forcing everyone else to do live by their rules.
They don’t care when you point this out because that is their goal. They’re shameless about it.
Like I said, I’m surrounded by these idiots. They hate it when you suggest they aren’t real Americans.
They know in their hearts that they are Loyalists. Call them the red coats that they are.
“Yeah but this is totes different thing!!!?!?!”
Well… that’s true. In this case, the person who got charged actually went through the court system rather than being murdered by a cop.
Which seems… fairer?
You’ve got to remember, they don’t view the BLM reasons as miscarriages of justice. Because they’re morons.
Funny how they’re calling for riots instead of going to the streets and rioting.
I wonder if they remember what happened to them the last time they tried that shit 🤔.Pepperidge farm remembers. The crowd that was all about “back(ing) the blue” managed to kill a police officer and four of themselves.
Then Fox News refused to air spots the dc police wanted to put up. Fun fact
I didn’t know about that, but I’m unsurprised the fox “news” propaganda machine goes brrrrr.
Here is the as in question on YouTube, don’t give shitter any traffic.
Bonus points if we can get a better alternative to YouTube.
Give them a break
Are you really expecting all the people posting this stuff to pay for the flight from Russia?
And the rubes who believe them here, do you expect them to exert 30 feet without their phones telling them what to do?
There are a lot of armchair generals on the Internet. Unfortunately not limited to the Republican side of things.
But the Republican ones tend to be bigger hypocrites since they usually condemn rioting when anyone else does it, especially if they aren’t white.
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These are likely the same ones that pushed 1/6 and spent a lot of time telling people to do it.
The reason they’re still doing that, is they weren’t the ones to actually show up.
They’re not gonna stop doing it, because they didn’t get any consequences from last time.
All they gotta do is keep making these posts saying someone should do something. And chances are some idiots will do it.
Like, remember that main old guy from American History X?
He got naive kids to do the dirty work, so he was able to spend decades doing it without any consequences.
For real life example, just look at Alex Jones. How long it took for him to even go to court, and how he’s still not in jail or paying any judgements.
But he’s still running his mouth and telling others to do the work.
This was abundantly clear to everyone on January 6th. It was so blatant that, at the time, most conservatives claimed the entire event was actually undercover BLM and “Antifa”.
Then the convictions showed it truly was all Trump supporters, and now none of them are talking about it.
I looked at /r/conservative last night and it was not good for my mental health. Thousands of commenters all agree it was a sham trial that he will win on appeal and that this will only earn him votes.
The last two things, they may be right about and that’s terrifying.
They don’t even realize that that’s not how appeals work. It’s not just “the appellate court says acquittal,” there needs to A) have been a failure in the legal process which B) would have been impactful on the jury’s verdict during the first trial for an appeal to be successful. Appellate courts only address the legal process. An appellate court would only get into addressing the facts of the case if there was an absolutely glaring smoking gun to point to some evidence or testimony having been false.
You know, like Allen Weisselberg does when he testifies.
Even if an appellate court was to side with Trump’s appeal, that just means it goes back to the lower court to be tried again, unless the DA goes “yeah, forget it.”
This right here. I am not a legal expert, but I do know that this is how it typically works. The point I want to make, though, is that the prosecution likely knew trump would want to appeal, thus tried to make their legal process as air tight and by the book as possible
My favorite is the ones crying about how America has fallen into nazism because… Trump got convicted of a crime with overwhelming evidence of it.
And its especially funny considering how down with nazism they have been until its conversationally convenient to suddenly cry about the evil nazi persecution.
At least he can only appeal all the at to the State Supreme Court so the fedsoc six can’t fuck with it.
He’ll try to get it to the us supreme court though, probably arguing that because the fraud was on a us election it’s a federal matter.
They move the goalpost at every turn.
I remember when they said he’d win big in 2020. I remember when they said he wouldn’t be indicted. Next it’s some other silly line in the sand. They’re not exactly great prognosticators.
They call it a sham but I ask, where is the proof? There is, of course, zero.
It’s in New York tho!?! Checkmate, libturds
I haven’t been to that sub, but is there any way to estimate how many there are Russian operatives or bots? I’m guessing this conviction will be fertile fodder for encouraging uprisings amongst Trumpies.
I’ve no idea.
Yeah, what’s been going on this whole time with Trump is gaslighting. It’s extremely bad for all of our mental health.
Our nation is sick, and the first bit of medicine we need is some semblance of justice for one of the most renown white collar criminals to ever hit the American spotlight:
Trump must be published for his crimes. If he is not, then America and the entire world is at risk of destabilizatiom.
I would agree with you. It is quite shocking to read conservative opinions on this though. None of them have a fucking clue what he did wrong but they’re all sure it was rigged.
He’s not going to win on appeal unless the case gets moved to Canon’s district.
At what point do we consider Trump voters as terrorists? Waiting until they actually kill people or destroy everything doesn’t sound like a good idea.
Voters? Never.
Supporters who organize to commit acts of terror like shutting down local libraries via threats of violence? Now. We should be doing that now.
I didn’t fight shit heads in Iraq just to have more shit heads do it here.
Enemies, foreign and domestic…
Why did you fight shit heads in Iraq?
That’s a deep question. But I’m in a mood tonight so fuck it. I got there because I was young and well indoctrinated. I stayed there and went back because Saddam and AQ were massive assholes the locals didn’t deserve. I left because my body couldn’t handle the physicality of the job anymore. At no point was I looking at that stuff going, “you know the one thing we don’t have at home is religious zealots planting bombs, we need more of that!”
The people here who want to fight you herehad a hand in installing those s*** heads in Iraq.
Yeah I know. We knew when they announced Bremer’s orders. Then we got home and found out just how much lying went into starting the war and it became obvious they wanted a forever war. If they had won the election in 2008 they would have found some way to destabilize Iraq again, not knowing ISIS was just around the corner.
Didn’t they march inside some important government building and try to overthrow an election at some point?
They’ve also interrupted public life with threats of violence related to their religion and politics. They have been past the line for awhile and any vet who dealt with the reality of terror campaigns over seas can recognize this trajectory. If we don’t start enforcing this stuff soon we’re going to have our own version of Al Qaida policing our lives.
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities.
The police will not protect you, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.
Iran was a secular, liberal monarchy until almost 1980 when they (mostly) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
It’s hard for me to recommend that because what most people don’t know is the political violence in Iraq reached levels that would have been a civil war if not for the coalition’s presence. And having watched that level of violence once in my life I’m really hoping we can elect someone that puts the government to work stopping this violent far right theocracy movement. On the other hand I can’t in good faith deny anyone the basic tools I had to defend myself in that situation. I just know that every gun in the mix makes violence more likely and violence only begets more violence. If this kicks off we’ll need a real focus on deprogramming and welcoming people back into the normal population. The zero tolerance approach just doesn’t work, you can’t shoot an idea. Only defend yourself from the person who believes it.
Spoken like a person with absolutely no skin in the game. Talking it out is great but what happens when that doesn’t work? What happens when the next one successfully takes power and the congress and judiciary side with them?
Fascists love pacifists committed to talking things out.
Don’t forget planned to murder every Democrat, Republican who didn’t do what they wanted, and the Vice President.
“HANG MIKE PENCE!”
I guarantee the crime rate of maga is greater than the undocumented immigrant population. We already know undocumented immigrants commit less crime than native-born Americans as a whole.
Waiting for them to actually commit a crime is usually necessary.
There have been crimes committed. Armed men have shut down kids events with violent threats. Where’s the arrests?
Good question. If there aren’t arrests perhaps there were no crimes. Just things you want to be crimes.
Are terroristic threats not a crime?
Oh look they are!
So what is your expert legal theory for why no crime was charged then?
The cops are on their side.
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I’ve always considered them as such.
Oh no, they are not terrorists. I know because the cops told me they are very fine people.
Was it the cops saying that, or mostly just the Commander In Thief? It certainly wasn’t all cops.
If you beat cops up you are a terrorist. If you beat up the same people the cops like to murder, you are a very fine person.
I already consider them to be terrorists. Maybe not all trump supporters. but, there’s definitely a lot that are.
After Jan 6 I’d say now. Now is good.
Even if they did do a terrorism and kill people, they’d probably just blame it on trans people and get away with it.
So terrorists.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Francis M. Wilhoit
I was convicted on 34 felony counts
-donald trump
BUt iT WaS a shAm TrIAl!
And the world was shocked because he is someone the law protects but does not bind.
Trump is currently being protected by Supreme Court justices who are literally deciding whether he’s bound by any law. You can bet that same conservative majority would make sure he’s protected by all of them.
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You don’t expect the cops to lock themselves up,do you?
, and then nothing happened because they’re all a bunch of piss babies.
they’re all a bunch of piss babies
Just because his supporters are wearing diapers because Trump convinced them to doesn’t mean you need to call them babies, no? 😂
They’re just happy they finally have an excuse.
Sucklin’ weans, the lot of 'em. 🤌🏾
They can still go after schools.
…thus showing that the “Law and Order” party was never about law, they just want a particular kind of order- that is, a hierarchy wherein people below them on the status-ladder know not to try to hold them accountable to anything, including the law or even plain decency.
To them, the law is the cudgel to keep the poors and plebes in their place- low in the order- never to be applied to them.
That’s Republicanism and that left the US Republican Party years ago.
Now it’s all about Conservatism through any means. And it’s not even pure Conservatism: it’s heavily tainted with Tribalism.
Conservativism is, by its nature, tribal. The two can’t be separated.
They want their perceived enemies to make the first move. They might be calling for violence, but many of them are cowards and also love to play victim and win the sympathy Olympics.
I would not be surprised in the slightest if the right performed a false flag as justification for further violence.
No, they know that Trump supporters are the types of people to actually listen to and heed these calls.
This is stochastic terrorism straight up… Or is just flat out terrorism, they’re not really hiding it. This is the spokesperson of a “social media platform” (lol I know I know) saying this, not just some random casual Fox News watching R voter.
And he knows exactly who he’s talking to. It’s a clear attempt to mobilize.
Goddamn people must really be this stupid. I guess we just need to experience this pain first hand like Germany before we fully grasp what we are allowing to take hold of our government.
But even looking at them these days, it seems like 80-100 years is all it takes for everyone to start forgetting…
Edit: Came back after some thinking and realizing that the communications director for Truth Social probably literally is just some random Fox News watching R. Just not casual I guess.
Unfortunately for them their worst nightmare just started: the one thing they can’t help but try to come attack, Being Gay In Public Season
I hope they do it, and get arrested and convicted so they can’t vote.
Yeah, and I guess the trans people that end up dead in the balance will just be considered sacrifical lambs then?
It’s ok though, we’ll make sure to use the correct pronouns at their wakes.
That’s an odd take. But I guess you do you.
Can I show up to their riots carrying a George Floyd sign and just feign ignorance about what’s being protested? Over/under on getting shot? (I’m white so factor that into the odds.)
40/60, but you better be so white that even Casper the friendly ghost calls you a cracker, and you have sworn eternal
entityenmity towards the sunEnmity
I wrote that twice. Autocorrect has foiled me again.
Those are some risky odds. I’m going to see what materializes locally protest-wise.
Favourite part of the whole article:
A spokesperson for Truth Social said, “It’s hard to believe that Reuters, once a respected news service, has fallen so low as to publish such a manipulative, false, defamatory and transparently stupid article as this one purely out of political spite.”
“You never saw what you thought you saw. And even if you did, it was entirely justified and your interpretation was extreme.”
Ah yes, totally the views of a neutral, third party company that’s just trying to compete with Twitter.
reject the evidence of your eyes and ears
Liberals are going to have to get used to the idea of owning guns. I know plenty do, but still this can get ugly. Or they will just get arrested or shot in the face like that one chick.
Umm, I hate this comment because it’s basically assuming there will be some kind of armed conflict between normal people. I don’t think it’s necessarily going to happen, and we shouldn’t stoke the flames for it. What’s better than saying inane comments like “get a gun” is to reduce voter apathy and hopelessness, educate people on their voting choices, and get them registered to vote.
Social media has a tendency to heighten emotions, and there are many, many state actors who abuse that fact. I squarely lay any blame for Rittenhouse, Charlottesville car ramming victim, and Jan 6th on social media spread disinformation and incitement. Don’t believe everything you read about “supporters of [insert ideological enemy]”.
That said, access to guns is a right for Americans and there’s nothing wrong with knowing self defense. But know that proper gun training and discipline is not scaling with gun ownership. So people are basically creating unsafe environments and situations for their families and others. Don’t do this, don’t be stupid. If you get a gun for any reason (sports or defense), learn safety!
Overall, it’s important to get more progressives in congress and other places of power and authority. Not advocate for armed conflict
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But the MAGA movement has all the hallmarks of a terrorist group. If they don’t win there’s a non zero chance they actually start some shit.
And guess what? They all live in states with very lax gun laws where they can have ammo delivered to their front doors and enjoy range days training marksmanship without being ashamed.
Meanwhile in many liberal states you can’t buy anything but an overpriced shitty bolt action World War 1 wooden stock rifle, ammo is extremely expensive due to state taxes and your blue-haired neighbor shames you for driving 50+ miles to the nearest dogshit gun range with limited lanes, poorly trained racist baby-boomer RSOs, limited allotted time and exorbitant price gouging.
In this case it’s less about red states vs blue states, and more about rural vs cities. Travel this country and you’ll see that’s the real divide, in every single state.
I am a basement troglodyte, just like all the mods on lemmy
I own several guns. I used to have a concealed carry permit because I traveled alone for work with expensive items. I let it lapse after I changed jobs. After sandy hook, I considered getting rid of all of my firearms because American gun culture started to disgust me. I mainly shoot air guns for plinking now. Haven’t shot a firearm in years.
Now that maga has become such a presence, I’m considering getting a carry permit again. Gun culture still sucks. But, we can’t let the crazies be the only ones who are armed.
Fuck around & find out, chuds.
