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Thanks for the 4 years tuition though!
I could see them barring them from walking for their degree, but to hold it completely is messed up. Bullshit that ‘the corporation’ overruled the faculty vote.
The fun thing is that people say “I graduated” or “I’m graduating” but it’s technically more correct to say “I am being graduated (by the university).” I might be mixing it up a bit, but the idea is that the university always has the final say over whether or not you get that important piece of paper at the end.
One of my teachers in high school taught us this, but I never actually thought I’d see it in action. It’s cruel.
Which is bullshit. If you got the grades and paid your tuition, a university should not be able to withhold your degree. They can ban you from the graduation ceremony, but that’s it.
It is crazy that a university hold such power over someone.
Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Harvard doesn’t give grades. You either pass, fail, or pass with honors, more or less entirely at the whim of your professors.
It’s much more of a social club than a school, and being denied a degree is more akin to having your country club membership revoked than your credentials refuted.
It’s almost pro-forma, as the real benefit of attending Harvard is rubbing shoulders with the children of billionaires. The goal is to find someone willing to become your financial patron, not to hold a piece of paper confirming that you did all your homework.
If these kids are on the outs with the school board, they’ve already been blacklisted by anyone that matters.
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Yeah, it’s in the TOS.
Personal attack instead of considering the point. It’s easier than addressing the reductio ad absurdum that undercuts the whole argument.
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Headline is misleading. The article notes that they arent necessarily withholding them permanently, but because they are going through the disciplinary process, and so currently not in good standing, they can’t get them at graduation.
Similar to Israel telling Palestinians that they can’t have a state “right now” and have to come to “agreeable” terms first.
If there is no term given it means permanently.
But they did “give the terms”: they are not in good standing right now, and when the disciplinary action is complete then a final decision will be made.
As long as the students are not allowed to graduate the headline remains correct.
It might be technically correct because bar does not necessarily mean permanently, but it implies that, and your claim that it means permanent is definitely false, especially if you’re basing it on the logic you used to claim it’s permanent.
Technically are permanently barred unless overturned. But the title never used the word permanent.
Technically are permanently barred unless overturned.
The articles notes that they are not in good standing because they are in the process of disciplinary action. So considering this is not a ruling against them that needs to be overturned. If you have some kind of evidence otherwise, I would like to see it.
This is what happens at Harvard when you try to do good. Look at their alumni. Filled with IRL super villains.
Super villains and comedians. Sometimes combinations of both, as in the case of BJ Novak.
BJ Novak is a supervillain…?
Nah, just being silly lol.
The REAL Harvard educated comedian who’s also a super villain is Conan O’Brien, of course 😉
How dare you insult the 11th president of Finland like that.
I’m just going by his own admissions about his alter ego “superhero” Whirligig and his general self-description on Needs a Friend 😁
I have actually heard, from someone who has worked with him, he’s extremely difficult to work with.
I think it’s a reference to when BJ Novak played Alistair Smythe in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Blow Job Novak?
I don’t do (letter period letter period). It’s a conscious style choice.
I will reluctantly admit that there are good activists who come from Harvard. I work with some and know of many more. But the vast majority is just like you describe
Tom Morello graduated from Harvard
Fucking pathetic
Look, the most important voices are the non-scholastic billionaire donors. Why would you care about the opinions of those engaged in pedagogy? This is a business, not a school!
Vile. I hope those students sue those bigoted, genocidal pigs into the dirt.
Outrageous.
McCarthyism is well alive.
Nah, To many republicans sucking Russian Dick for McCarthyism to be doing anything but spinning furiously in its grave.
This is the New McCarthyism, there’s a different enemy now didn’t you hear?
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia…
Yeah, they’re Russians now, not Commie USSRians
That is Islamaphobic.
High time people use this word
I don’t even think you have to go that far. You paid money, you earned grades, you graduate. It’s almost like a contract?
Islamophobic discrimination, breach of contract and just generally being a bunch of reactionary Zionists who learned the wrong lessons from dystopian sci-fi are far from mutually exclusive, you know…
I can just see an alumni from another institution waiving their fees just to go after Harvard for this “decision”.
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Inhumane.
So they aren’t being given their first amendment rights… Oh boy I can’t wait to see how this plays out at other companies.
Harvard isn’t a government funded organization, so the first amendment doesn’t apply. Hopefully the students find a way to sue based on the college’s own rules though.
I should like to think the law sees this a violation of the right the students have. Because to me if a private organization that has the power to give you a degree as you’ve paid for it’s services and proven yourself as competent and that degree is recognized by employers, the government etc. Then it should have no right to impose it’s values on people while withholding the end product of their use of services provided in the first place.
Anything otherwise would imply the organization can supercede the government. That would mean cases like this could come from other organizations that prop up would-be government functions and cause a ton of chaos.
I would understand if the protest was a major violation of the rules or it was intended to be a riot or some such other violent event but if my source for what happened is correct then that’s not the case and this whole thing is a petty squabble coming directly from the board of Harvard.
My read on the article was that this was the corporation tipping their hand on how that process was going to play out, but I could certainly be wrong. read to me like the faculty voted for them to graduate, but this was the board vetoing that and affirming that they were still to be dealt with, and that the consequences were going to be grim. Hopefully that’s not the case.
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Congratulations on knowing civil law, fuck you for not having basic human decency though.
It’s so funny the responses to this, it’s basically ‘rules shouldn’t exist for people who agree with me politically’
They chose civil disobedience as a moral stand, they chose consequences - that’s how it works.
Except college isn’t a free service in the US. They paid for that degree and jumped through every hoop laid out. Now at the end, after spending 200,000 Dollars for that degree the school thinks they have a right to withhold it?
I’d sue for that tuition back at the very least. The board just denying you the diploma is entirely capricious.
