Can you point to data that supports your point or is this just a gut feeling you have that you assume to be factual? I know for myself that my strength and endurance are nothing like what they were before estrogen. Science overall seems to agree. You are just dead set on your opinion and refuse to change your mind.
Can I point to data that men are taller than women? Stronger than women? Yes… yes I can. Or you can just google it. It’s a pretty easily verifiable fact.
How do I not see trans women as women? Because I acknowledge that a trans woman who went through puberty as a male is different than a woman who didn’t go through puberty as a male?
If that’s me not seeing trans women as women, then you are all in for a world of hurt, because that’s just stating what has happened. If you can’t handle someone stating facts, you really can’t handle any sort of conversation about this topic at all.
We’re open to productive conversation and discussion here on beehaw (as long as it’s in line with our rule - be(e) nice), but this has not been that. People in this community have been incredibly generous in sharing here, and you haven’t shown any openness or willingness to learn or listen, so it’s time to disengage.
This hasn’t been a productive conversation? Have I been rude in any way?
Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t have an openness to hear other opinions.
I’d say the person who doesn’t have an openness to hear other opinions is the person who framed it as ‘any openness or willingness to learn or listen’.
You’ve set the stage that you are right, and that is above reproach or debate. You ARE the authority figure on this, and anyone who disagrees with you is just wrong. That’s why I need to ‘learn or listen’ versus simply hear and discuss.
If the conversation isn’t productive, it’s not because of me. My VERY FIRST comment was deleted. I was silenced for simply disagreeing. That is not the basis for a productive conversation. Nor is calling me transphobic simply because I have a different opinion on what should be allowed in sports.
Can you point to data that supports your point or is this just a gut feeling you have that you assume to be factual? I know for myself that my strength and endurance are nothing like what they were before estrogen. Science overall seems to agree. You are just dead set on your opinion and refuse to change your mind.
Can I point to data that men are taller than women? Stronger than women? Yes… yes I can. Or you can just google it. It’s a pretty easily verifiable fact.
And there it is. You don’t actually see trans women as women and that’s why you’re being shouted down for being transphobic.
I just don’t understand why bigots feel the need to butt into our communities to spread their hate
How do I not see trans women as women? Because I acknowledge that a trans woman who went through puberty as a male is different than a woman who didn’t go through puberty as a male?
If that’s me not seeing trans women as women, then you are all in for a world of hurt, because that’s just stating what has happened. If you can’t handle someone stating facts, you really can’t handle any sort of conversation about this topic at all.
We’re open to productive conversation and discussion here on beehaw (as long as it’s in line with our rule - be(e) nice), but this has not been that. People in this community have been incredibly generous in sharing here, and you haven’t shown any openness or willingness to learn or listen, so it’s time to disengage.
Wait a second…
This hasn’t been a productive conversation? Have I been rude in any way?
Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t have an openness to hear other opinions.
I’d say the person who doesn’t have an openness to hear other opinions is the person who framed it as ‘any openness or willingness to learn or listen’.
You’ve set the stage that you are right, and that is above reproach or debate. You ARE the authority figure on this, and anyone who disagrees with you is just wrong. That’s why I need to ‘learn or listen’ versus simply hear and discuss.
If the conversation isn’t productive, it’s not because of me. My VERY FIRST comment was deleted. I was silenced for simply disagreeing. That is not the basis for a productive conversation. Nor is calling me transphobic simply because I have a different opinion on what should be allowed in sports.