This is why it’s essential for those debates to happen. Yes, both men are declining mentally, but Biden can at least make a coherent argument, even if he mixes up names sometimes.
There is no excuse for either candidate to avoid debates anymore. we need to hear them talk, without prepared speeches. I will take Biden’s odds on that over Trump’s any day.
If Biden wins this thing, I think history will find that the reason he beat Trump twice was that he was not at all intimidated by him. He takes Trump seriously, but also has the courage to call him out for the liar he is, convincingly, without dismissing his supporters as a bunch of losers. That takes a bit of confidence that only age can bring. Maybe Bernie could have done it, but I don’t think any other candidate could. Clinton absolutely failed at that.
And to clarify here. Biden is declining because we all do at that age. No one is immune to that. Trump is declining because he has abused who knows how many different drugs and fuck knows what else over the decades, add that history to age and it’s never going to be good. Biden has always had a stutter and while I know you didn’t mention it, it’s been used a bully stick by the maggats seemingly unaware of the fact that their guy has been deranged and unable to stay on topic for years.
I agree with all of that. His issues go beyond his stutter, though. His mouth has always been a step or two ahead of his brain, and he got himself into trouble in the past saying stupid shit. He has run for President for years and years, and couldn’t win until Trump made it OK to say stupid stuff.
Are you talking about Biden here? I don’t remember him really running in any elections after serving with Obama. Trump is the one who had to run multiple times and only had a chance when he switched from dem to republican and got backing from putin and others, plus the msm thinking he had no chance so they used him for ratings and helped him win, yes, even the left wing media. If they had just stopped giving him attention we wouldn’t be in this mess.
And what stupid stuff has Biden said? Aside from gaffs that everyone has especially when you talk as much as they do and when you are being pulled in several directions, etc.
It’s tough to find a link to all the stuff that isn’t over the top in its vitriol, but this is a good summary from rhe Guardian of some of the weird shit he’s said, which doesn’t even include the “pony soldier” thing:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/25/joe-biden-2020-public-gaffes-mistakes-history
Other politicians don’t seem to step in it quite as often as he does. They don’t seem quite so bad now, but that’s only because Trump lowered the bar so much. Howard Dean’s campaign was derailed because of a weird scream, after all. He would fit right in now (particularly since he is “only” 75…)
You’re a lying, dog-faced pony soldier!
Biden was a front runner in 88 due to his public speaking being so exceptional. Didn’t have a hint of a stutter either.
It wasn’t till reporters starting questioning him about plagiarism till he had to drop out. And it wasn’t because of the plagiarism.
It’s because when someone challenges Biden, he’s always lost his temper and started insulting them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho
All that IQ stuff at the start is like what trump does. And all those statistics he rattled off turned out to be lies. When they were fact checked he dropped.
But the point is, Bidens current issues with speeching isn’t his stutter, he got over that while he was still a child. What’s happening now is what will happen to all of us if we’re lucky enough to live that long. His age is effecting him like it would anyone else.
So maybe we should run someone 20 years younger who’s only 61? Younger would be better, but 81 is just ridiculous
The times he tried running for president he backed out for the blatant lies he told while running. No speech impediment forces someone to lie.
The times he tried running for president he backed out for the blatant lies he told while running. No speech impediment forces someone to lie.
[Citation Needed]
they’re for all intents and purposes the same age
And your point is?
My point is that it’s expected to have some mental decline by that age but I would still bet on Biden if they went toe to toe on jeopardy or at a bars trivia night. And while Biden wouldn’t have been my first choice for president to begin with, he is still light years better than trump ever was even at this point and I’ll take Biden over most of the current choices on the left especially because those others have zero chance of winning.
With and without the help of things like heavy drinking, drug use, lifestyle, etc, everyone ages differently. I know this from my own family and watching the world around me. Trump has been incoherent for a couple of decades now while Biden has been able to control it (for the most part).
My point is they’re both fucking 80. It’s really silly to ascribe one decline to age and another to drugs. Anyways Trumps still better at the snappy comeback, Biden never had that anyways, so the presidential debate is gonna be sad as fuck.
Trump has been incoherent for a couple of decades now
That’s just a straight up lie. maybe 5 years and I’m not yet convinced it’s not because it seems to work.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. And if you think that A) Debates and political discourse is all about the “snappy comeback” and B) Are impressed by the “insults” that trump got from school children, there is nothing more to say here.
You have a nice day now.
Shit, I’m 34 and I mix up names sometimes. If I had to keep track of as many people as he does, I’d mix up names all the time.
This right here. I’m (soon to be) 43 and I’ve always been bad with names. I drive for a living (uber, etc and my own service) I see so many people and have so many regulars that it’s only the most frequent regulars and those with unique names who I could pick out of a lineup.
It is important that, eventually, they are told they are retarded losers though… Even if Trump wins.
The person in the chair stopped being important quite a while ago. Now both parties just have lists of smart/rich people willing to implement their specific policies, and they try not to fire critically important gov employees.
I’m not both siding the issue. One side attracts all the Nazis and KKK.
Republican voters: “Does he still piss off the many, many, many groups of people we openly hate and wish harm upon more than any other candidate could?”
Well yes, but what does that have to do with effective governance?
Republican voters: "what the fuck is governance?"
This is almost word-for-word an interaction I had with a coworker yesterday. Said she voted Orange this primary because “he’s the only one to fix this damn gender issue”, so I asked her what she thought of his policies on foreign affairs and the domestic wage gap.
I got a double-chinned shrug and an “idunno”. Lmfao our country is going to burn because a vast swath of people would rather see hundreds of thousands prosecuted for socially-engineered offenses instead of nurturing the human condition.
On a solemn note, our country’s governance has become a joke. A circus of clowns too busy honking horns and throwing pies at each other to notice the tent around them is ablaze. To everyone, please, do not take our country’s governance as a joke. Serious, irreversible consequences oft come from impotent or non-existent legislative power.
We stand at a precipice, so please vote. Vote. VOTE. VOTE.
I mean, you really have to hand it to Fox and the right-wing propaganda machine for so successfully turning such a stupid non-issue into the top priority for a bunch of people.
I mean it’s wrenchingly sick, but they’ve pulled it off so well.
From the outside, I think Fox News was only able to do that because in US culture, TV and movies are more revered than anywhere else, and therefore people’s opinions, when voiced on TV, are taken way more seriously than they should be.
It’s hard to explain what I mean but it’s a feeling of “if it’s on TV, there must be something to it” which is very strong in US culture, and this enables the worst and most evil people to influence public opinion, even if they spew nothing but lies or phantasies.
As for movies, I am always totally in awe of how many movies a person in the US watches - going to the movies once or even twice a week is widespread, which is odd because most movies aren’t worth watching. The rest of the days they watch even more movies and TV shows at home. I always wonder what they get from that.
Listening to Knowledge Fight (the Alex Jones analysis podcast), I learned that Jones frequently uses the plot of Hollywood movies as a source for his insane conspiracy theories about “the globalists”. So it seems like he knows that many dumb Americans aren’t able to differentiate between movies and reality, because they watch more movies than interact with people and matters IRL.
Don’t get me wrong, I love movies and TV shows too, but nobody can tell me there’s enough good ones out there to fill every damn evening of the week. I go to the cinema maybe once a year, and watch the odd TV shows maybe every 3-4 years (because I don’t want to spend my time watching crap).
You got this crap all over the world, the US is just a bit further along the way. People love to get absolved of all responsibilities and the political right gives them exactly that. They are also better at information exchange, just copying propaganda techniques, that worked somewhere else.
It started before Fox, with Hate Radio. And a few other things.
But I really don’t think it’s a “TV is God in the US” thing at all. It’s extremely normal for people to have trusted information sources. And purported news organizations have been a standard source across the world for 150+ years.
In the US (and several other places) news has become increasingly propagandized, particularly towards the far-right. People increasingly also don’t care about actual truth, but what they want to be true (often based on the propaganda)
There’s probably several cultural things that make Americans more succeptable to some of this manipulation, but a lot of that culture is the product of DECADES of very hard, specific work (which also led very directly to Fox News). Starting almost immediately after the Watergate scandal.
But it’s also not like propaganda, and falling for propaganda, is unique to the US or throughout history. At all. Or because of TV and movies or whatever.
It’s just impressive that with the US’s relatively strong, free press (and freedom laws) and low government propaganda (again - relatively) that a right wing propaganda machine has been able to so massively corrupt things. And fucking scary.
It’s so strange but also so obvious that Americans who love Trump have the exact same worries about the world that Putin’s voters, the Russian country bumpkins, had when they still were able to vote in non-sham elections: Gender and gender roles, homosexuality, the end of toxic masculinity, etc. It’s all they care about, and I think it speaks volumes about their innermost fears about their own lives.
If only they just realized as long as trans people and democrats have rights, so will they. They want so badly to be oppressed
They want both victimhood and domination, at the same time, and being able to hold that wild dissonance in their heads without alarm bells going off is what makes them Republicans. Republican media has trained them into believing that being both victim and oppressor is a perfectly valid position to hold, and because it feels good to believe that, that they deserve to be powerful enough hurt others and also bear no responsibility for that power as they are the victims of the people they want to hurt, many do.
They aren’t special or anything, critical thinking and reasoning must be taught. Without that, most people rely on their feelings. The Nazis convinced massive swaths of Germans that because Jews and other groups they hated were “victimizing the German people,” scapegoating them of course, the German people should allow the Nazis to murder them in their name, guilt free because clearly the german people were the victims of these scapegoats.
Herd mentality is a hell of a drug. So is Schadenfreude. American Republicans are addicted to both. Not entirely their fault either, Fox “News” and other right wing propaganda made them into what they’ve become over decades. Free speech weaponized into a a cancerous means of indoctrination through appealing to fear and hatred.
Nance was a shitty governor anyways.
It’s not a question of whether or not they notice, it’s a question of whether or not they care. They don’t vote for him because of his policies, they vote for him because he wants to hurt the people they don’t like. They vote for him because “The Left” doesn’t want him. He literally says his first day in office would be his Dictator Day and they ate it up.
I think they care, just not in a way normal people would - for Trump voters, it’s 100% about trolling, annoying, hating, and secretly wishing dead anyone they deem to be the “outside group”. And the worse Trump gets, the louder will that outside group’s opposition to him be. Which in turn gives his followers great satisfaction. So they care in a negative way, along the lines of “the people we hate and want dead will be so outraged by his gaffes, the news will be soo delectable to watch tomorrow! I’ll come so hard watching them rage!!”
Trump speeches may sound like listening to a four-year-old explain “The Lord of the Rings,”
LMAO
Don’t talk back to Darth Vader, he’ll getcha!
LOL that was great
they know that he’ll let them hurt who they want to hurt and they don’t care about anything else. I think to a lot of them a mentally incompetent trump is a bonus because he’ll be easier to steer.
I doubt that. He seems like the angry type of dementia, not the clueless wander away from the white house and start walking toward New York type.
They are fine with a Weekend at Bernie’s presidency so long as it brings them closer to the theocratic hellscape they want us to live in.
He’s more useful as an incoherent, babbling dementia patient. Even more if dead. They can just turn him into a literal puppet.
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Is the question “why” really still a source of puzzlement to people? It’s a cult. Jesus is long dead, or probably never existed, so he’s even more “degenerated” than Trump, but that doesn’t seem to be a problem for his followers.
Just going to take the opportunity to point out that broad (not universal) historical consensus is that Jesus of Nazareth existed, was baptised by John the Baptist, and was then crucified. It goes without saying that Jesus being the Son of God, Messiah etc. is not the broad consensus.
Is it though? It seems there is no evidence and that it is more politically correct to say that he existed.
By the same measure you could say the same thing about many other historical figures. There is enough historical documents that meet the same standards used by everyone to say that Jesus at least existed but thats pretty much it.
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That was my understanding as well. I’m rather surprised to see people saying historical Jesus theory is the predominant one.
It is. Furthermore, as an atheist, I don’t feel like believing in the existence of Jesus compromises my position any. On the contrary, I’ve confused a few less-informed Christians by telling them that I believe Jesus existed but I don’t believe he was divine.
Besides that, stories like the Nativity seem to pretty much just be myth.
Oh sure. The supernatural claims need evidence and there is nothing at all for that. I used to hold more or less the same position (historical Jesus; supernatural claims are to be dismissed), but just based on cultural inertia. I honestly don’t know what the mainstream historical position is at this point. In any case, I wonder what they use as evidence of the existence of the character of Jesus being a real person.
The Wikipedia article has a pretty good summary.
Essentially, we have non-Christian sources claiming he existed from only a few decades after he died. Furthermore, no ancient critics of Christianity argue that Jesus didn’t exist. Then there are aspects of the story that you’d assume early Christians wouldn’t want to make up. This includes him being baptised by John the Baptist. It’s a little embarrassing for the alleged Messiah to be baptised by someone considered to be a normal dude. Sure Christians have kinda retconned its significance but if you were making it up whole-cloth why would you make that part of the story?
Similarly, the crucifixion. Try and take your mind back 1900 years. Crucifixion is a humiliating punishment, designed to shame criminals. If you were creating a mythical figure, in that time, why on Earth would you have him die that way? It doesn’t make much sense. To suppose Jesus is a wholly mythical figure is necessarily to suppose he’s an invention. Sure, maybe you could make a compelling anti-hero from the crucifixion story but you want to be fabricating the world’s first universal religion. Why make your job harder by so closely associating your so-called Messiah with a method of execution often associated with petty thieves and brigands?
It’s interesting to flip over to the talk portion of that page. When reading through the article, I wondered about some of the language myself. Seems I was right to read through the Talk tab…seems the best way to describe the consensus is that he was more likely to exist than not. But that’s really about as strong a position as can be put forth (honestly) by the advocates of a historic Jesus.
I mean correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think I said any different? All we are reasonably sure of is:
- He existed.
- He was baptised by John the Baptist.
- He was crucified.
However, any non-Christian who claims that Jesus of Nazareth was a mythical figure, as the original commenter did, discredits all of us non-Christians who find it ridiculous to believe that this man was the Messiah.
Lol. Do you know that Jesus myther are seen un the historic community like flat earther?
I was not aware of that. What is used as proof of his existence?
I will point you to the evidence but first proof to me that you exist.
Jesus likely existed
What I find funny is scholars who analyzed The Bible have a TON of reason to believe Jesus was one of those, “THE END IS NIGH! IT IS COMING IN OUR LIFETIMES! THE END IS NIGH!” people which is
Fucking hilarious to imagine
have a TON of reason to believe Jesus was one of those,
What evidence is that? The fact that power doesn’t have any reason to execute people for simply predicting the end of the world?
Becoming ever more cringier won’t bring the heyday of edgelord atheism back.
What is edgelord atheism and when did it have a heyday?
Even Jimmy Fallon, who tends to be cautious about mocking Trump, joked on Monday night, “It sounds like his brain got a flat,” and suggested Trump’s new campaign slogan should be “Trump 2024 WI-RI-BI-GYU … AHHH.”
Trump 2024
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Bothsiding when one’s an old fascist and the other just old is kinda a big giveaway that you suck ass, dude.
One of us is extremely familiar with who Joe Biden is. It’s not, apparently (if you’re not lying) you. Unless you meant Biden. Trumps just an old crony capitalist, crooked, but not particularly warlike.
You mean the guy who just said he backed the war on Gaza and that we need to keep going until we have achieved total victory. Yeah, he’s not particularly warlike. Fucking idiot.
That proves it. You officially suck ass.
You need a history lesson over who did what. It’s pathetic at this point, y’all whining about the least warlike president since Carter. Indoctrinated to the point of uselessness, can’t even differentiate literal facts from opinion.
Nothing you say matters, not even to yourself. Get an education before commenting again. Thank you!
An education would prevent you from thinking that’s an appropriate rebuttal. I mean a real education, not a booklet listing the names of logical fallacies that cost 40-90 grand
“Not particularly warlike”
Except when it comes to allowing Russia to bulldoze Ukraine.
https://www.ft.com/content/18c5296a-f0d5-47d5-aacd-af5210d638fc
Except when it comes to letting Russia do “whatever the hell they want” to NATO members:
Or when it comes to allowing Israel to execute everyone in Gaza.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
Or attacking Syria:
Or attacking our own citizens:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/nothing-can-justify-attack-portland/614413/
Obviously I was comparing him to other presidents. You knew that though.
Crooked, and a rapist.
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Because they have already degenerated?
They might notice, but they certainly don’t care.
An average middle aged American would make both candidates look too old and not suited for the presidency…
But when it’s Biden and trump, criticizing ones mental ability just makes people claim it’s not a big deal because the other is bad too.
Neoliberals claim Biden is better, republicans claim trump is better.
Everyone else says both aren’t good enough and why the fuck are these the only two options…
This is going to be a low turnout election, and those are the ones Republicans tend to win.
Ignoring it while there’s still time to fix it only helps trump. Because Republicans are better at ignoring reality than anyone else.
Mate, I am a conservative independent who doesn’t like Biden. But please vote for Biden. There is a different between a bad but competent president (Biden) and someone who frequently undermines American institutions (Trump).
Accountability should be a conservative view, but things are so skewed right now that it’s seen as liberal or far left.
If there was ANYONE else viable, we could talk about getting someone viable. But right now it’s clear that there isn’t.
It’s very important to vote for the better candidate while simultaneously making moves to better the system overall.
Accountability should be a conservative view
Since when?
It should be a view of everyone, especially the so-called fiscal conservatives
The DNC has had the chance to primary Biden with someone more viable, they decided to stick with the guy that swore he would be a 1 term president that no one wants in office. Voters have had 3 years to demand change in the party, instead they punched at anyone trying to hold the party and Biden accountable. This combined with the gaslighting coming from the party that the economy is good and that we are not struggling while we know we are tells us they are not listening to our needs.
More bullshit DNC conspiracies. The “far left” is just a one-trick pony, isn’t it?
At no point has this been difficult to understand: folks don’t turn out for primaries. They didn’t when Bernie ran, and they aren’t now. Good news though, we can just slap tin foil on and pretend that America is just as left-wing as a username that lays out its own naïveté.
The thing is, you’re looking for big sudden change and you think most voters think like you. Big change happens over time with lots of effort, and clearly some people want Biden in office - even if that’s neither me nor you.
From a metrics standpoint, the economy is doing great. However, old metrics may no longer be applicable and would need to be adjusted. It doesn’t mean you and I are doing well.
Everyone else says both aren’t good
False equivalence. Old <> Narcissistic Dementia.
Everybody hates politicians. Super easy to criticize any particular politician, and not likely to generate much angry feedback.
Trump is a fucking goldmine of material. The sheer diversity of his bullshit means that no one topic stays relevant for very long.
Biden, though? You’ve got age and Israel, and Israel has way too much other stuff associated to bring up in mixed company. The reason people harp so much on Biden’s age is because there’s nothing else they can talk about.
The reason people harp so much on Biden’s age is because there’s nothing else they can talk about.
Climate change, we have record breaking fossil fuels production and still subsidizing it.
Economy, only good for the 1%, Biden keeps bragging about it.
Healthcare, just ignoring it
Cannabis, Biden ain’t even going to deregulate which was his campaign promises
Education, K-12 still terrible, student loans that have been forgiven isn’t even a rounding error in total debt
Policing/legal system, still absolutely fucked, not being addressed
SC, won’t admit it needs fixed
Abortion, Biden won’t take action. Just says trump would make it worse again.
Do I need to continue?
Biden disagrees with his voters on lots of things, just because people are focused on a few, doesn’t mean the rest disappeared.
Criticizing a President/candidate for things he hasn’t done is pretty ineffective, because the easy answer is, “the other party is blocking him.” Most of your criticisms require a five minute conversation to articulate your position, because they’re actually hard policy questions, and don’t fit into a TV soundbite: they’re a whole other category than “He’s too old,” or “He’s sexually assaulted 18 women.”
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Exactly, his flaws that fit into TV sound bites and headlines are the ones that get brought up the most…
That doesn’t mean the rest magically don’t exist and people don’t care about them.
That’s just the reason they dont get brought up the most.
And the other party would try to block them, but at least Biden could be trying so instead of a hypothetical he could point at when and where they blocked it.
Progressives dont want everything fixed immediately, I mean, it’d be nice.
But we’re not used to getting stuff, a president who tries is more than enough to get us excited.
Which is why it’s so frustrating Biden doesn’t even try
Funny how everything you mention that Biden isn’t good at, Trump is way way worse and actively sabotage many of them, and most of the things aren’t help because Repubtards are blocking it.
Do I need to continue?
No you aren’t going anywhere anyway.
Why would a starving man object to a shit sandwich?
It’s better than starving…
I’ll eat the shit sandwich if it’s my only choice, but others might not.
So how about we offer a pb&j to everyone and they’ll all make the smart choice?
That’s not the political reality, and you probably know it.
You are preaching wishful thinking.If wanting more than a shit sandwich is wishful thinking, You’ve already given up
That’s fine, you do you.
But if you won’t help fix shit, please stop telling the ones still putting in the effort that it’s just “wishful thinking”.
You’re replying from a liberal point of view. I also disagree with how he’s doing student loan forgiveness, marijuana, and how he’s still pushing roads instead of public transportation.
He’s also preventing Warren from being president while she’s still “young”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
That word still doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Nope, gotta scroll down to “current usage”
Historian Elizabeth Shermer argued that the term gained popularity largely among left-leaning academics in the 1970s to “describe and decry a late twentieth-century effort by policymakers, think-tank experts, and industrialists to condemn social-democratic reforms and unapologetically implement free-market policies”;[51] economic historian Phillip W. Magness notes its reemergence in academic literature in the mid-1980s, after French philosopher Michel Foucault brought attention to it.[52]
At a base level we can say that when we make reference to ‘neoliberalism’, we are generally referring to the new political, economic and social arrangements within society that emphasize market relations, re-tasking the role of the state, and individual responsibility. Most scholars tend to agree that neoliberalism is broadly defined as the extension of competitive markets into all areas of life, including the economy, politics and society.
The Handbook of Neoliberalism[22]
Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.[8] It is also commonly associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.[28] Some scholars note it has a number of distinct usages in different spheres:[53]
They love changing the name for it, but their principles remain steadfast.
Hell, Biden even tried to co-opt “Reaganomics” into “Bidenomics” and trumps been using the “MAGA” campaign slogan that Regan used…
You cannot be more wrong.
It is also commonly associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.
As a public policy, it involves the privatization of public economic sectors or services, the deregulation of private corporations, sharp decrease of government budget deficits and reduction of spending on public works.
There is debate over the meaning of the term. Sociologists Fred L. Block and Margaret Somers claim there is a dispute over what to call the influence of free-market ideas which have been used to justify the retrenchment of New Deal programs and policies since the 1980s: neoliberalism, laissez-faire or “free market ideology”.[54] Other academics such as Susan Braedley and Med Luxton assert that neoliberalism is a political philosophy which seeks to “liberate” the processes of capital accumulation.[55] In contrast, Frances Fox Piven sees neoliberalism as essentially hyper-capitalism.[56] Robert W. McChesney, while defining neoliberalism similarly as “capitalism with the gloves off”, goes on to assert that the term is largely unknown by the general public, particularly in the United States.[57] Lester Spence uses the term to critique trends in Black politics, defining neoliberalism as “the general idea that society works best when the people and the institutions within it work or are shaped to work according to market principles”.[58] According to Philip Mirowski, neoliberalism views the market as the greatest information processor, superior to any human being. It is hence considered as the arbiter of truth. Adam Kotsko describes neoliberalism as political theology, as it goes beyond simply being a formula for an economic policy agenda and instead infuses it with a moral ethos that “aspires to be a complete way of life and a holistic worldview, in a way that previous models of capitalism did not.”
Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy, but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society.[60] Anthropologist Jason Hickel also rejects the notion that neoliberalism necessitates the retreat of the state in favor of totally free markets, arguing that the spread of neoliberalism required substantial state intervention to establish a global ‘free market’.[61] Naomi Klein states that the three policy pillars of neoliberalism are “privatization of the public sphere, deregulation of the corporate sector, and the lowering of income and corporate taxes, paid for with cuts to public spending”.
Bruh…
Neoliberal means different things in different countries… Just like liberal does
Why are you bolding the part a Canadian said?
Why not stop using such a general link? We’re talking about modern American neoliberalism, you want the father of that?
It’s James Carville.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Carville
You want an explanation on modern American neoliberalism:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/neoliberalism/
It’s not as easy of a read as Wikipedia, and it’ll.probably go over your head.
Huh, that article on Carville doesn’t contain the string “neol”. One might think that if he were considered the “father of American neoliberalism,” a Wikipedia article would mention that.
The Stanford article is a bit of a hodge-podge of “lots of people say lots of things, but nobody really wholly agrees.” I appreciate your bringing it to my attention. My take is that neoliberalism is “Libertarian Lite,” which is a whole lot closer to Republican conservatism in America than it is to Democratic center-right.
Go on and say you’re going to block me now.
With these two it seems like they’re really trying to add a new president to the list of those that died in office. Last one that wasn’t assassinated was FDR in 1945. Going to be really important who these crypt keepers run as their VP because there is a very good chance they’ll be the president before the end of their term.
How are Kamala Harris polling numbers these days? If they’re better than Biden’s (and that’s a really low bar so I’d kind of be surprised if they aren’t) it would be smart of the Democrats to encourage people to vote to support her in the incredibly likely chance that Biden dies in office making her the president.
Time? What time do you think we have? The hour is later than you think. Trump’s forces are already moving. The Nine have left Mar-a-Lago. They crossed the River Delaware on Midsummer’s Eve, disguised as lobbyists in black.
Primary ain’t over, we haven’t even met Tom Bombadil yet…
Gandalf didn’t grab the first person under 5foot he saw, he picked a young fool of a Took who had the heart, courage, and willingness to keep marching against impossible odds.
Even he recognized Bilbo was too old and corrupted by power to make the journey.
Frodo and Sam made it to Mount Doom because they moved in secret and carried the one thing that could kill Trump, I mean Sauron, without direct confrontation. Like it or not, in this analogy, Biden is our Aragorn. Come to think of it, they are about the same age! If there is a Frodo secretly making his way to Mount Doom with Putin’s kompromat, I mean the One Ring, we don’t know about it yet.
If Biden is anyone, he’s Bilbo.
The difference is we didn’t have a Gandalf to wrest the ring away. So Bilbo keeps putting off the journey and spends all his time telling people no one else can carry the burden and about all his past adventures.
Dude’s never left the Prancing Pony
I get it man, you didn’t expect the analogy to fit so well, but it does.
You’re only comparing Biden to Bilbo because they both look old. That’s shallow. If Trump is Sauron in the analogy, which is how I set it up, then Biden is at least as strong and important as Aragorn. More so, really.
Even Aragon knew he couldn’t carry the ring…
The ring isn’t the election.
It’s King of America.
It’s authoritarian rule.
I had time to think for a bit. Please be advised that I’m not an American citizen and the following is purely conjecture.
Basically, I believe the US is FUBAR. There are 4 possible scenarios for the 5th of November:- Trump gets so demented it’s getting impossible to get him propped up, he has to concede somewhere around that time
- Trump finally gets thrown in jail, before election day
- Biden wins - right now it looks like it would be a close call
- Trump wins
The article mentions, as many have before, that the “conservative” way of “thinking” has become purely emotional. So what do you think will happen if either of the three first will come true? Someone will seize the day and shout some bullshit conspiracy or another and now 20-30% of your emotionally driven population will get set to “angry” and “revenge”.
If he simply wins: Mission accomplished!Now that I’ve thought a bit more, even (maybe especially?) if Biden wins in a landslide, the conspiracy spin could even be made stronger. Yikes. It might be the time of troubles on a very large scale and I reaaaaaaaaaly hope I’m totally wrong with all this!
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Guess I don’t need any sleep tonight…
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I think all of what you said, except maybe add a side of martyrdom on top of it. I’ve been saying since the last election, it’s not Trump himself they need, he’s only the figurehead to stir shit up. Get rid of him when he’s outlived his usefulness and do it in a way that sets up someone who’s liberal, brown, trans, gay, illegally in the country, or your choice of combination, and his followers will happily start a war and fight to the death to “avenge” him. Allow chaos to reign for awhile, then come in heavy handed to re-establish order and there go the rest of our freedoms “for the good and safety of everyone until things settle down”.
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There’s a very good chance Trump’s trial doesn’t conclude until after voting day. At which point we may face the situation of having a President-Elect that is convicted of Insurrection.
We really should have just let the states ban the guy.
I don’t forsee the second happening. Short of literal murder the rich dont end up in jail, and if they do its brief. Murica…
Edit “rich” but you know what I mean.
Wish he’d degenerate quickly into a 6’ hole.
He doesn’t deserve the peace of a 6’ hole. Make it 6", an open grave, and a public hole-in-the-ground bathroom.
Okie dokie
Because I’m not paying attention and don’t really give a fuck? MAGA! WOOOO!
