“Somehow, Palpatine return.” -Poe-
Palpatine coming back wasn’t even an interesting premise though.
and that fucker got his lightening reversed on him AGAIN!
Stop using that spell you stupid fuck it always gets turned on you.
If I had a nickel for every time Palps got his lightning reversed…
I could afford to hire better writers than what we got.
3 10-cent commemorative coins would have gotten 3 fanboys who know Star Wars front to back to write a lore-loyal exciting adventure involving potentially new force powers, cool new characters, and a coherent plot.
And yet, we got the drool dribbling out of the mouths of Disney executives at the thought of all the money they made.
Star Wars is god-tier IP.
You could shit in a bag, label it “Rancor poop” and make a million dollars with zero effort. Guess what happens when you actually put in effort to make things Good?
It really did fail on all ends.
Palpatine = Fascism.
Palpatine returned = Fascism returned.
The word Fascism was coined be Mussolini because it was a reference to the Roman Empire. Fascism is often about restoring past Empires.
Luke tried (and succeeded) to bring his father back from the dark side.
Rey does not attempt to ring her grandfather back from the dark side. Why not? because he’s dead. You can redeem your family but you can’t redeem your ancestors because they’re dead. You also can’t confront your ancestors, but science fiction allows characters to do things that aren’t possible to do in the real world.
Rey confronts her evil ancestor and rejects him. Takes on a different name, She understands her ancestor doesn’t define who she is.
Children in school right now learning about what their evil ancestors did, what should they do? Take their side? Or realize like Rey did that they don’t have to identify with what their ancestors did. You can identify with the good people from the past even if you aren’t related to them.
Fascism relies on wanting the things that your ancestors had. Reject that idea and you reject fascism.
Also if you’ve ever seen a statue of some evil dude being removed, you will see a reproduction of an evil person that died a long time ago being moved around on a crane.
The problem with RoS isn’t that it didn’t do anything interesting, it’s just it didn’t tell you that it was doing interesting things. So people would know what to post on twitter immediately after watching the movie.
TLJ has the appearance of an interesting movie but actually did nothing. RoS tried to appear like a dumb action movie while actually doing interesting things.
And I didn’t even go into the layer about the grieving process, but that’s obvious isn’t it? Movie starts with a guy literally denying death and ends on Chewie inheriting Hans’s medal and Rey burying the lightsabers. The Sequel Trilogy was about death after all, so it’s obvious the last movie had a layer about the grieving process… right? RIGHT?
Those aren’t interesting premises. Those are the same, tired premises in a lot of current media.
The look on Oscar Isaac’s face as he delivers that line is something else.
It’s the face of a man who has been back and forth with the scriptwriter and director all day, and is resigned to the fact that this is the best they can come up with.
it makes sense for poe to say, how would he know how palpy came back?
the problem was the movie didnt really expand on that in any capacity
Even the writers didn’t seem to know. It was like they’d been handed some weird madlibs type shit and had to work Palpatine back in, even though the previous two movies hadn’t alluded to that in the slightest.
Even the groans from the rebels sound like “Jesus, three movies for this shit?”
If you look at Alan Rickman saying “By Grabthar’s Hammer, what a savings” and Oscar saying this, it’s the same pained expression, but only Rickman was acting.
Poe doesn’t know or care why fascism returned, he just knows he’s going to fight against it.
The hot take internet culture rejected the movie simply because people don’t have the capability of understanding the layers and interpreting anything. It’s a shame really it’s the most interesting of all the Star Wars movies (though not the best, the editing was janky as hell). But people are more interested in consuming nitpicky memes about Star Wars than watching an actual Star Wars movie.
But it’s a movie that provided petty nitpicky assholes on the internet many hours of entertainment repeating the same false memes that only indicate that they didn’t actually watch the movie. You got what you wanted, so you should appreciate JJ Abrams for satisfying your cynical and petty nature with all the negative memes you’re still repeating over four years later.
I’ll just be over here enjoying a Star Wars movie that has layers about the relationship between our connection to our ancestors and fascist movements, the grieving process, and still isn’t so overly serious to not have a layer with the Emperor blasting lightning bolts at X-Wings.
Enjoy your memes!
I’m still salty about League of Extraordinary Gentleman. Literary Avengers is such an awesome concept, but what we got was so fucking bad Connery walked away from acting forever.
But it did give us one of the most beautiful movie cars ever which, you know, is nice.
Read the comic. It does so much better with the concept. Goddammit, can we get at least one good Alan Moore adaptation?! Look at the mans run of Swamp Thing! It’d do well as an animated movie, at the very least!
You didn’t like the watchmen tv show?
Not OP, but I wanted to like it only I couldn’t bring myself to keep watching. I can’t remember if I stopped before the end of the first episode or part way through the 2nd. I completely failed to connect with any of the characters, the setting, the premise or the politics.
I don’t mind fiction that’s a vehicle for political statements - I like Alan Moore - but it felt like a transparent vehicle for needlessly edgy politics, rather than a beautiful vehicle for needfully radical politics like Alan Moore’s stuff is.
But I barely watched it so I know this is a pretty hot take.
It’s one of the best single season shows ever done.
It’s also mostly Damien Lindelofs work, not Moore’s (for the show).
Fair enough. I enjoyed it but there’s so much good television out there these days that there’s not much point forcing your way through something you’re not enjoying.
I thought the little bit we got with that marvel mini-movie thing was nice. The main character and plot were a little cliche, but the acting was good and the execution hit well.
The swamp thing TV show for kinda close
Just like Sandman, it could only be good if the man himself was at the helm, but he hates comics now.
I know it’s bad but for some reason as a kid I loved that movie lol.
You, personally, are the reason Connery quit acting.
11 year old me would be devastated to hear that.
Are you me? As a
kidteen I fucking loved LXG and Connery was my favorite actor so not seeing him again after that did devastate me a bitedit: time is weird
Sean Connerys last movie, too. He did not deserve that.
Me when they say the name of the movie in the movie:
Superman: The only way for me to solve this crisis is to be Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.
Peter: Oh, that’s why they called it that.
“Ah boy, I’m just so tired of all these star wars.”
“And the world will always remember the Backdoor Sluts 7: Anal Apocalypse.”
“After all, there’s a reason we call ourselves Backdoor Sluts 7: Anal Apocalypse”
Lumberjack Larry: “Darlin’, I’ve carved the grandest totem, but it’s too tall for the town square!”
Lucy, the Lumberjill: “And here I am, trying to fit this massive log through our cabin door. It’s a tight squeeze!”
Lumberjack Larry: “Looks like we’re both in a pickle with ‘My Big Stick Doesn’t Fit: The Log Jam Love Story.’”
Lucy, the Lumberjill: “Time to put our heads together and chop this problem down to size, honey!”
They said the thing!!
[Ding] Roll Credits!
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TV show with really interesting premise that is well written, well acted, with great sets:
Streaming service cancels it after the first season and doesn’t renew it.
RIP ‘Night Sky’ with JK Simmons. What could have been.
I was enjoying the heck out of The Peripheral. RIP.
I was just thinking about that show last night and wondering if/when season 2 was coming out, as it had good reviews, great cast, a good plot, and the dialogue was pretty good too.
Went to the Wikipedia page and found out Amazon cancelled it two months after it’s debut. Two months! They didn’t even give it a chance.
I watched with my SO and googled it right after we finished it to see when Season 2 was coming, thinking it would be a joke “haha only 2 years to wait for the next season” and it had already been cancelled. Rough.
Well that really sucks. I don’t even have a guess to what’s going on with that ending.
RIP Carnival Row. I thought it was a pretty damn good show, with excellent actors and good character building.
It hasn’t been “officially” cancelled, but it may as well be at this point.
I like shows like Andor which have a mildly interesting premise but rely on phenomenal writing and execution to really shine.
Why do Star Wars fans always forget the / in And/or?
You get my upvote, but it’s an angry Andor unwillingly one.
Funnily enough, I have a playlist with the Andor score and some nice medley / covers which I have called “And/or”
Yeah I hesitantly tried out Andor as somebody who isnt the biggest Star Wars junkie, and it quickly flew to being my favourite Star Wars content by a mile. Really excellent writing imo
Foundation. Such awesome design, great acting… but such awful writing.
Maybe its because i’m not a fan of the books, but I really like Foundation, it has weak points, but overall I’m enjoying it.
I went into it expecting it to have nothing to do with the books. I found all the characters’ behaviors irrational and frustrating, with the exception of the emperor.
And I’m getting really sick of incompetent protagonists and impossibly flawless antagonists. I think that’s just a reflection of the zeitgeist of the world’s masses, but that’s another discussion. Suffice to say I’m tired of it being the only trope used in SciFi TV anymore.
From what I’ve heard, it literally flips the premise of the novels.
I like both. The novels are good, but would not work today - they have been writen in the 50s and it Shows.
The series might have slow points, but I really like the emperors and the genetic dynasty, great storytelling device.
I don’t think the novels would’ve worked regardless of time. The whole point of Foundation as a series was that there’s no real protagonist in the series; the society as an aggregate works in a certain way as dictated by the rules of psychohistory. The concept wouldn’t have translated into a good TV show.
The show that we got is more of a generic space action, which has some interesting parts, but meh for most of it.
I think it’s just easier to write the hero’s journey instead of systems. GoT was good at the latter.
I like both. The novels are good, but would not work today - they have been writen in the 50s and it Shows.
“Her breasts were a smaller version of the woman herself – massive, firm, and overpoweringly impressive.” -Isaac Asimov
I knew I wasn’t crazy. I just can’t get into that series.
My conspiracy theory is that the writers had an idea for their own show, but execs made them slap on the Foundation label for notoriety. Because the parts that aren’t in the books, like the Genetic Dynasty, are great – probably the best parts. It feels like that was the actual story here, then everything else had to be put in after the fact to justify the universe they put it in.
I stopped watching after season 1 because the “special powers held by individuals” angle felt like a slap in the face to the theme of the books. Apparently season 2 is better but I’m still a lil bitter so I don’t think I can do it lol
This is brilliant, and it would explain so much! And I agree that the most interesting story arch is the one that has nothing to do with the novels (and the entire show shared very little with the novels, outside of some names).
I said that I liked few of the characters; I don’t know if that improves after the first season, but like you, I’m traumatized enough by S1 to be uninterested in watcing S2. I realized I’d spent the last 3 episodes literally shouting at the TV because of characters being so unreasonably stupid, and if there’s a literary sin I can’t forgive it’s characters doing stupid things as a plot device. “We need tension in this scene, so we’ll have this character refuse to get in the escape pod until the last minute, for some trivial reason.” It is infuriating, sloppy, weak writing, and I refuse to watch it.
Somehow Palpatine returned
Alternate ending:
A small, innocuous looking bat takes the form of DRACULA behind CHARACTER 1 and CHARACTER 2
DRACULA: Why the fuck would I need a jetpack? How did you morons forget about the bat thing? It’s been part of my image for like, a hundred years.
Alternate alternate:
Character 1 sees Dracula turn into a bat and fly into another tower in the distance. Chooses to keep that information to themself for no particular reason.
I feel like this is personally attacking Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter and that movie deserves nothing but accolades.
To be fair, it does what it says on the tin.
You know I’ve seen every other mainline Star Wars and several of the one-offs and TV shows but I never got around to this one and I haven’t really felt like I missed out.
Same. I read about it in memes mostly and at some point I was like ‘alright that’s enough of that’.
You’re right.
This thing again. Palpatine is in a room full of cloning tanks talking about having unnatural powers. Next scene characters mention cloning and dark powers. It’s just Poe doesn’t know how it happened (he’s not omniscient) and doesn’t much care. Fascism returned and he’s going to fight against it, that’s all he needs to know.
It’s explained but the hot take internet reactions missed it. And then memes were created to brag about being to stupid to understand something that happened in a Star Wars movie that a child could understand.
Somehow you don’t understand what things mean in a Star Wars movie. Congratulations!
Somehow all efforts from episode 4-6 were in vain and Anakin wasn’t the chosen one again because throwing Palpatine into the death star core didn’t have any impact on anything. Somehow they made everything Luke, Leia und Han achived pointless. Somehow cloning was easily achievable with some dark powers and somehow Palpatine cloned himself and chilled for a few dozen years. Somehow Palpatine was a father and somehow Rei was his granddaughter.
Yes just like my Grandfather fought in WWII in vain because fascism has returned to our world.
Except the fact that evil can return doesn’t actually mean opposing evil is in vain.
Also, you may be slightly not getting the point of Star Wars if you think that we’re supposed to believe Anakin is the chosen one and everyone is supposed to respect his greatness. Yes this is what Anakin believed of himself, but how did that go for him?
Luke was meant to kill his evil father (or rule at his side), it was his destiny. Luke refused that destiny, how did that work out for him? Pretty good until the real evil Empire (the Disney Corporation) came along.
Star Wars isn’t really about making prophecies come true. It’s about rejecting them and finding a better way.
You’re a Star Wars fan, you’re meant to reject the fascist ideals of past greatness, not conform to them! Have a balanced take on Star Wars, not leave it in darkness!
I know from your point of view JJ Abrams is evil, But only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Counterpoint: several flashy videos on the Internet told me that space samurai wisard films are bad now because there is a mean woman there and no kinky costumes.
This first Suicide Squad was hot garbage, the second was awesome.
Will Smith’s compulsive need to never be the bad guy didn’t help.
He did make an exception at the Oscars.
I’m willing to bet that his battered husband brain thought it was being gallant by defending the honor of his abuser.
The dude definitely hits his wife and children.
I mean he is…
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Dad bless you
The second one should have just been called something else.
Every DC fan I knew had such a bad taste in their mouth for that Will Smith Suicide Squad.
That’s the beauty of the Suicide Squad, they die or escape or there are other teams, so they can wipe out the whole cast without hesitation because it fits into the plot constraints.
The Extended Cut version of the first movie is actually an okay time. It boggles the mind anyone would think it’s a good idea to pull every bit of backstory and subplot and give us the mess of a theatrical version we got.
I didn’t know there was an extended cut. I’m so intrigued now, given that a huge issue with the theatrical version was its editing
There’s always a Snyder cut…
This was Once Upon A Time on ABC. Could’ve been a really good show, but it was basically fanfiction written by a middle schooler.
How many times can you use amnesia in a show with seven seasons? How many times can you reveal that Character A is secretly related to Character B? How many times can someone get killed but then miraculously get better? How many times can you introduce absolutely world-breaking plot devices, only to forget about them immediately?
The answer for all of the above, for Once Upon a Time, is THERE’S NO FUCKING UPPER LIMIT.
It did have this absolutely fantastic exchange though…
Grumpy: We’re all going to go hang out with Happy.
Snow White: Didn’t he get turned into a tree?
Grumpy: Yeah, but we fixed that months ago! We do things when you’re not around!
…for which I’ll almost forgive all the rest.
‘Fables’ was a comic book that was the first to use the idea of characters from fairy tales living in the modern era. When people realized that everything was already public domaine we got two shows, neither as good as the comic.
Two shows?
After seeing all the weird ads in malls and on random food, I decided to read the wiki about this show. Sounds like a really really good premise!
But the moment I watched a random trailer… Yikes. Bad execution.
It was created by some of the same people who made Lost. Both shows relied heavily on flashbacks to make the shows seem more planned out. Both relied on inconsistent mythologies to fake worldbuilding.
Witcher :(
And I’m not talking about the casting or other stuff. Just the general writing and conversion from books to screen sucked ass
From what I’ve heard it would have been multitudes worse if Cavill wasn’t so passionate about the source, too.
Yeah I never read the books or played the games. So when I watched it I thought it was kinda janky because they were trying a little to hard trying to stay true to the books.
Then I later found out it wasn’t true to the books. Sure sometimes you need to change things to make a story work better for a new medium. But why is it so jank then?
If they made changes but it worked really well as a TV show because of those changes I can understand. And if the show is janky because they tried to stay too close to the books, I can understand. But they made a janky show that’s not true to the books. I don’t understand!
I’ve heard even that books aren’t that good, basically being medieval James Bond, but somehow even more misogynistic.
Some of the jank is because of the first book for sure. Doing three different converging timelines isn’t easy.
It was like a teenager wrote the dialogue.
Mr Robot the writing was so bad I genuinely spent several episodes thinking it was a parody of how bad Hollywood script writing had got.
Like someone was trying to make M Night Shyamalan’s Fight Club: Now with More Daddy Issues.
I was watching with two friends and I thought they didn’t like it because I was the only one laughing.
Mr. Robot is genuinely my favorite show and I was shocked to see it brought up in this thread. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
A lot of people don’t like Rami Malek talking to the viewer/breaking the fourth wall. I love the show but I’ll admit it can be a bit overly self-indulgent at times
That has nothing to do with the quality of the writing though.
Yeah, I used to bring it up a lot because plenty of people who don’t strike me as idiots seem to have enjoyed and respected it, which I probably find as confusing as you find my opinion.
Whats a show you think has good writing?
The Wire is almost a cliche to mention but the dialogue is frequently phenomenal.
Frasier has some incredibly well written farces - the ski lodge love pentagram episode is a great example.
Simpsons and Futurama have some episodes that are just gold from start to finish - cape feare, hell is other robots, war is the h-word. The jokes are all so good and so densely packed.
Arrested Development wobbles occasionally but when it’s good the writing is so well balanced - over the top while still being subtle.
The Great, season 1 at least. 2 was too awkward for me. I believe it was based on a play though, so maybe that didn’t count (I’ve been ignoring shows based on books).
Veep and The Thick of It have absolutely beautiful dialogue. The swearing, the insults. “Don’t mention Israel, Katherine” is a real triumph of a line.
Motherland, all of the characters are so impeccably written, it makes all the petty status games so transparent.
Deadwood has some lush dialogue.
Gavin and Stacy ekes so much joy out of impeccably written normal lives.
Derry Girls and London Irish. Moonboy.
Well I haven’t seen many of those shows but I agree with you on the ones I have, Simpsons futurama and AD.
Is there anything specific that sticks out to you as bad in mr.robot?
Mostly it was the cheesiest, most overused “twists” appearing with such mind numbing regularity that I honestly thought it was parody. Hence the M Night Shyamalan comparison. Which also made it feel like a 12 year old boy’s idea of deep.
And speaking of 12 year old boys, I remember not being able to tell if the dialogue was supposed to sound like an overly serious 4chan user because that was basically the personality of the main character, or if that was unintentional.
And the daddy issues! Whining about a distant or abusive father figure is the default character arc of US cinema. It’s probably an artifact of boomer screenwriters having dads messed up by ww2 but by now it’s like a painting of a naked lady on a couch - the single least interesting choice that will fill that space.
I honestly mean no disrespect to people who enjoyed it - it makes no sense to judge others based on the stories they like - but hopefully the above gives you a sense of how i experienced the show.
Those are pretty fair criticisms I guess. I just wasn’t as bothered by those aspects and I was more curious to see where the story would end up. Ill check out some of your recommendations. Cheers
I completely agree, I don’t know why everyone sucks that show’s dick so hard every time it’s brought up. It’s good for TV, but a lot of it is just hard to watch because of how stupid the writing can be.
They put the emo chick in and there’s a lot of drugs so it’s deep and cool can’t you see.
At least the programming terms check out.
I liked the first season of that show and some of the second, but after that it fell off real hard.
M Night Shyamalan’s Fight Club: Now with More Daddy Issues.
Best take 🏆
Thank you! I have to admit I was pretty pleased with that one.
Recently this was Hazbin Hotel for me. Thought I would give it a shot but it’s written like a kid’s show instead of an edgy adult comedy about demons.
How is it compared to Helluva Boss?
Much less clever and subtle. I would call that a pretty low bar, honestly. Helluva Boss also has a lot of poorly-written content IMO, but in Hazbin it’s nonstop bad writing until there’s a small glimpse of something competent. I would recommend Helluva Boss to anyone who likes shitposts and sitcoms, but I wouldn’t recommend Hazbin to anyone right now.
Damn, had high hopes, too bad.
Aw man, I was hoping it’d be better. I will still see and hope for the best.
I liked the hazbin hotel pilot, but very much felt how you do about the helluva boss pilot. I thought hazbin was fun and quirky and I liked it a fair bit, helluva boss cranked up the edginess and immaturity but didn’t bring anything else that made up for it. Maybe the actual series is better Idk
The Dark Tower movie adaptation, I am a huge fan of the books and I was so looking forward to a 3 movie arc. Turned out 🤮
They have to have bad writing because otherwise it will be canceled 2 seasons in to a 3 season story arc
Spelling error in a meme poking fun at bad writing. Hilarious.
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