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President Biden and other senior U.S. officials are becoming increasingly frustrated with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his rejection of most of the administration’s recent requests related to the war in Gaza, four U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the issue told Axios.
Why it matters: Since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack 100 days ago, Biden has given Israel his full backing, with unprecedented military and diplomatic support, even while taking a political hit from part of his base in an election year. That support has largely continued publicly, but behind the scenes, there are growing signs that Biden is losing his patience, the U.S. officials said.
- “The situation sucks and we are stuck. The president’s patience is running out,” one U.S. official told Axios.
- “At every juncture, Netanyahu has given Biden the finger,” Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who has been in close contact with U.S. officials about the war, told Axios. “They are pleading with the Netanyahu coalition, but getting slapped in the face over and over again.”
Behind the scenes: Biden hasn’t spoken to Netanyahu in the 20 days since a tense Dec. 23 call, which a frustrated Biden ended with the words: “This conversation is over.” They had spoken almost every other day in the first two months of the war.
- Before Biden hung up, Netanyahu had rejected his request that Israel release the Palestinian tax revenues it’s withholding.
- National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby tried to downplay the decrease in communication, telling reporters on Wednesday that “it doesn’t say anything” about the state of the relationship.
- But more and more signs of irritation are emerging. “There is immense frustration,” a U.S. official said.
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It has long been time to abandon the 🥕 and start using the stick.
Maybe old Joe will finally get the picture that you cannot work with a hostile authoritarian who is trying to preserve their political ambitions through warmongering. Better late than never I guess, but holy fuck how much more obvious can it get.
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I might be learning German and moving out of the US Shithole Country.
Already way ahead of you on that one chief 👍 I reached B2 this year and I’ve set my move date to July! You’re welcome to join!
This election is a ticking time bomb imo. Both outcomes will probably end in chaos. I’ll be glad to watch it and to cast my vote. Just from way over there, where I’m hopefully outside of the blast radius
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Its fully within his power to pull 100% of the money Israel receives from the US and cut off all access to weapons. He has chosen not to.
It sure it. But then, the most powerful kingmaker in the US is AIPAC, if they withdraw their support of Biden, he will struggle in the presidential race.
Then the risk of a xenophobic wannabe dictator getting elected is put on the otherside of the scale.
So if you look at this from a purely US point of view. The tradeoff is brown people half a world away die, vs the US becoming trumplandia with all the vengeance he has promised to bestow on his political rivals.
So if it was your choice, what would you chose?
Edit to clarify: yes it’s bizarre US allows PACs, corporations should not be treated as people, the situation is FUBAR.
I vote for no one needlessly dying anywhere.
If Trump wins a lot of people will die, just like last time.
More people have died, lost their homes, lost their cars, lost wages, a lot more loss in general under Biden. If you dont want trump then you better start pushing for party to primary Biden
Unemployment when Trump left office - 6.3%
Unemployment today- 3.7%
Seems to me like more people with jobs means less people losing those things under Biden.
Their feelings are more valid than your facts… I couldn’t believe I was hearing such non sense from senior Republicans but they were right about their base.
Unemployment level is meaningless if there’s no livable wage. Taking 1 full time job and creating 2 part-time is not job growth, and that’s exactly what’s been happening. How many of those shitty no benefit jobs are being held by one person?
You tell me. You’re clearly the expert here.
The banks and the rich are squeezing every dime they can out of American working class, but the probable GOP nominee is the absolute wrong way to curb it.
Remember for example when he stole medical supplies and gave them to his criminal friends, who could then resell them for a higher price? During a pandemic…
the unemployment statistic only counts people who file for unemployment, and in 2020, a lot of us were able to pull $1200 a week with no look-for-work requirement.
i don’t think this is a fair comparison.
Do you have numbers showing that the levels of unemployed people not filing was dramatically different? If not, then this is meaninhless fud.
I’d ask you for a source on this nonsense but then who are we kidding right?
Not that it matters, liberals will deny facts in the face of evidence when the blue fascists do it
Elderly are becoming the fastest growing segment of the unhoused
Food bank usage at record highs
Biden’s approach to dealing with COVID (mirrored after DeSantis’ version) has led to more needless death. And this isnt even counting the 10s of thousands of Palestinian deaths he’s allowing to happen.
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Lol, and who do you suggest we primary against Biden? I’ll wait.
we primary
As if the voters have any say in who their party nominates or appoints
Way to not answer the question. Typical, though, complain but provide absolutely no alternatives or solutions.
Sure, I would too if it where in the table as an option. But alas, it seems it is not. I would venture a guess to say that the Biden administration would also take that option if it where available… But it seems to be a quagmire of unreasonable actors.
Almost like money needs to get taken out of politics but not like those who use it to keep their people in power will let that happen
Our views align on the solution and the hurdles.
It saddens me that there is no young version of Senator Sanders, he would be good for the US.
Money will never be taken out of politics. It’s the fundamental motivation for politics. No one is out there arguing for anything other than money. If you ask anyone if they want to be ecological and ethical they will say they are being so.
Now ask if the consequences is their livelihood and changing what they know. They will fight tooth and nail.
We have a fight based on two sides. But don’t think it’s only morally based. Both sides have financial consequences they are considering while fighting.
Biden’s approval rating is 33%. AIPAC is of no consequence here - no incumbent in the history of US Federal elections has ever won with such abysmal polls in an election year. Not once, ever. Biden isn’t going to magically make history here, and his ego telling him he has to do 2 terms instead of allowing for a primary election so democracy can play out is the reason why.
Then he has the audacity to claim democracy is on the line this year. It’s already gone, America is just in denial about it.
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The only saving grace is that Trump is also a uniquely unpopular political figure.
Yeah me too
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Can’t expect them to fight their esteemed colleagues on the other side of the aisle in Washington for things like the basic human decency of healthcare for our people, or to win an election. But if there’s one thing everyone in DC can agree on, it’s that everything wrong is the fault of the leftists! (This is of course despite leftists having virtually 0 power in this regressive, conservative capitalist dystopia in which we live).
But his opponent is also unprecedentedly unpopular, so we’re basically in uncharted electoral territory such that the past isn’t necessarily a good guide to the future.
Anyone who says they know how this all plays out is either a liar or in denial.
People are going to look back in AIPAC and wonder… how AI got a political action committee before chatgtp 6.0 passed the Turning test.
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Ow. I laughed tho
Israel wasn’t popular with the other countries in the region before October, most of it’s neighbors have called for it’s destruction, US support is basically what keeps them in check.
Israel is not popular in the region BECAUSE of the US.
Israel is not popular in the region because the others are extremely antisemitic. Let’s stop pretending like the others are saints, please?
An old Zionist lie, conflate opposition to zionism with antisemitism
Nah the Houthis do seem pretty antisemitic, straight up.
You are trying to conflate antisemitism with being antizionist, perpetuating the Zionist lie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement
“God Is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam”
Why exactly do they explicitly refer to Israel and “the Jews” separately if their issue is with Zionist Israel?
And then Al-Houthi had this to say through his fascicles: “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.”
You know what helps Zionists? Not condemning actual antisemitism, because it lets them continue the lie that anti Zionism is the same as anti semitism.
Unless, of course, you have a good explanation for how wishing a curse on Jews, distinctly from death to Israel, isn’t antisemitic?
A new Antisemitic lie, conflate Jewish people’s desire to exist with Zionism.
Im no historian but i figured Israel wasn’t popular in the region because the country of irael used to be the country of Palestine until another country decided to put israel there. I bet Egypt hated having a lot of its territory held for a long time as well after that one war but like i said I’m no history doctor
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There’s never been a country of Palestine
damn, really? Why did something like a million people get displaced when israels borders for drawn in 1950 or whatever? I can’t remember the details. Why did all those people get forced from their homes?
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False. Israel isn’t popular in the region because of israel.
More like the US is not popular in the region because of Israel.
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If they’re not careful, there’s a risk he might furrow his brow while handing over the next billion dollars worth of cluster bombs
Maybe he’ll threaten to rein him in after the election
“Biden realizes his polling numbers are falling and decides to do damage control”.
Or he is disgusted with how Netanyahu is waging genocide. The U.S. can’t just say “alright Israel, you’re on your own” because it would possibly lead to a nuclear conflict between Israel and Iran. Shit would get out of hand real fast when the militants try to storm Israel thinking it’s go time. I hate Netanyahu as much as I hate Khamenei and Hamas
It’s never bothered him before.
I’m sure it did. Dude wouldn’t hire a bunch of people sympathetic to the Palestinians if he hated Palestine. It’s a fragile relationship to balance and abandoning Israel outright would have some severe global consequences
So we should just sacrifice millions to the whims of that murderous bastard because he’s politically useful?
It’s politically useful? No the fuck it isn’t politically useful. It’s a major divisive topic in politics today. You can underestimate the threat Iran poses to regional security and international trade all day and night, but you also lose the ability to bitch and moan about the cost of living when their actions directly implicate those things.
Israel also has a chance to overcome the far right shitstain that is Netanyahu and his supporters and elect a leader who would be committed to reforming relations with the PA. Iran is making it nearly impossible to do so (which is their plan) but it is possible. You can blame Israel for this 100% but Iran shares an equal part of the blame for supporting terrorists across the region
The U.S. can’t just say “alright Israel, you’re on your own” because it would possibly lead to a nuclear conflict between Israel and Iran.
As if Iran can’t possibly be responsible for it’s own actions.
If Iran wants to invade that’s a problem with Iran, not the US.
Iran wouldn’t invade. They’d use their proxies abroad to stage an assault, and Israel may escalate without the U.S. holding it back by striking Iran directly
Ive given up on humanity.
I favor nuking everyone.
Oh, no. A politician doing what the people want in order to save his job.
That’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s better than the usual m.o. where the politician does whatever they want and screw the people. Yes, it would be nice if they did what you want from the get-go, but I will vote for the one that changes their stance due to popular pressure over one that “sticks to their guns” no matter who it’s hurting.
(I’m speaking in generalities here. Obviously Biden hasn’t changed his stance yet.)
Except he’s not doing what the people want. He’s doing what Israel wants and then making a big show out of being frustrated they aren’t doing what he wants. For all we know, he’s told them to not worry about what he’s saying, he’s just trying to win back support to avoid losing the election.
He could cut off the aid or add conditions to it at any time. Or even just not veto UN resolutions.
I agree. Please read my last sentence.
The statement, however, indicated that they were more annoyed that a politician would change their stance because of poling numbers rather than because it’s the right thing to do. My point is that our political system is designed for just that. Politicians have always done what is best for themselves, and expecting different from any politician is naive. Our system is deliberately designed to allow people to put pressure on politicians to (try to) keep them from sacrificing the people they are supposed to govern for their own gain.
I was talking more to the general sentiment of the statement, not to these specific circumstances. Don’t blame a politician for bowing to political pressure from the people. That’s what they’re supposed to do to keep your vote. Allow them to change their policy, even if they don’t change their stance. Instead, blame the ones that double-down on harmful decisions because they don’t want to appear “weak.”
This is all theoretical, of course. Recent elections have shown that too many people are willing to be sacrificed to allow those in charge to appear “strong.”
That’s not what’s happening at all. If anything it’s the opposite and the Biden people are being much harder on Netanyahu behind closed doors than in public. All of the reputable reporting and analysis indicates this.
If the military aid valve is still fully open, I’m going to take any suggestion that he’s trying his hardest behind closed doors with a grain of salt. He’s got three levers that should have big impacts: access to purchase weapons, the money being used to buy those weapons, and the military support to discourage the other regional powers from stepping in.
It all makes me wonder what levers Israel is pulling on the leaders of the West.
More finger wagging, no action.
It’s crickets when politicians propose giving billions of American taxpayer money and weapons to Israel, year after year. It has never been a better time to stop fucking doing that for good.
It’s funny. We’re running out of patience with Biden.
Americans shouldn’t run out of patience with Biden. When the election comes, they might reelect Trump and that would be a catastrophe.
Maybe that’s what Netanyahu wants?
Americans shouldn’t run out of patience with Biden.
People shouldn’t have voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. That was a stupid shitty thing to do.
That’s the only right answer. Pete Buttigieg would have been a far better candidate in my opinion.
And your point is? We can’t change the past, all we can do is try to make a better future. It sounds like you just want to give up because you didn’t get your way in 2020. That’s pretty childish.
Centerists like you will never say it’s the right time to have this conversation. You keep electing procorporate trash and then acting like everybody you fuck over in the process owes your garbage candidate their vote. It’s not fooling anybody. You know exactly what you did in the primaries. You made this bed now lie in it. If you need our votes in the future make better choices in the primaries. Simple as that.
Fuck off
Bibi doesn’t give two craps about Biden. Bibi knows that the entire Gaza debacle is a mess for Biden. He probably bets on a GOP win later this year, which will come with a big wave of financial support for him anyway.
Why would he? He’s gonna get finnancial support no matter what party wins
My theory is that he prefers the GOP over the Dems anyway since they’re a lot more supportive in terms of finances but also political support, whereas the Dems are threading more lightly around his issue. I think that partly fucking Biden over by not doing his bidding is an added benefit to him. Not only does he get to do what he wants but he’s also creating domestic problems for Biden which in turn would mean that the GOP gets a better chance at unseating him and unlocking even more support for Israel
It’s no secret that he’s allied with the Republicans, no speculation required. I thought this was common knowledge.
Because Bibi is playing to the hardline Israeli conservatives, and they align far better with the GOP values.
Uh oh, Bibi had better stop being mean or Dark Brandon is gonna have to get involved (halfheartedly whinge about it while bypassing congress to send more billions worth of weapons to Israel). Remember, vote for the guy who abuses his power to support genocide or you’re literally worse than a Nazi!
Biden is following the same US-ally mutual defense policy that has been in place since Israel was founded, not voting for him this year because you don’t like this policy specifically while ignoring all of the achievements of the past four years is incredibly foolish and short-sighted.
The idea that you should vote for Trump because biden himself hasn’t vocally denounced netanyahu and the IDF after barely three months into the US support of one of its oldest active military allies following a terrorist attack is absolutely idiotic.
Biden is going well above and beyond in assisting Israeli genocide of Palestinians. This isn’t just business as usual, this is even worse than usual.
“The idea that you should vote for Trump because biden himself hasn’t vocally denounced netanyahu and the IDF after barely three months into the US support of one of its oldest active military allies following a terrorist attack is absolutely idiotic.” yep, I don’t like genocide and abuse of power, clearly that means I’m saying to vote for trump. Fuck off libtard
Too bad you missed the dumb bandwagon by 10 ft:
https://www.euronews.com/2024/01/15/white-house-calls-on-israel-to-scale-back-gaza-offensive
Directly refuting your incorrect point, the white house has directly called for Israel to begin scaling back its invasion of Palestine.
So. You know. Pipe. Smoke it.
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Removed their comment as a rule 3 violation, but yours has to go for the same reason. :(
“We get it. You’re a child.”
Haha, one hundred percent. I wasn’t as compassionate in those answers as I could have been, but trust me, I’m trying.
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“you sound like a tween-teenager in a leather jacket in an 80s movie I love it”
Super creative insults are still insults. :)
The US supporting the Israeli invasion and genocide of Palestine is exactly business as usual, it’s literally been happening for 70 years, you’ve only just become aware of it and have painted your first digital placards. Be careful, or we all may drown in your empathy.
Drawing the conclusion that you shouldn’t vote for Biden because he hasn’t yet publicly, personally denounced a defense policy that has been occurring for the last two dozen presidential administrations, yes, is idiotic and woefully myopic.
The fact that I’m mad about it right now must mean I only just learned, very nice deduction. Be careful, or we all may drown in your half assed attempts at wit. I’m fully aware of how the US has been sending shit tons of money and weapons to Israel since the very start. Biden is going even harder on it than average. He’s bypassed congress to send more military aid multiple times since October 7th, and taken multiple opportunities to spread IDF disinformation like Hamas beheading babies. Genocide joe is exceptionally shitty in this regard, and the longer he keeps supporting the genocide while barely paying lip service to the idea of peace (or even just not committing as much genocide for a bit) the less likely he is to get my vote. Yes, this means a republican is more likely to win. The solution is for democrats to stop offering up geriatric genocidal neolibs for president
Making it clear that you understand the budget as little as you understand the history of military conflicts is not helping your cause.
Try to open your eyes and look at the other achievements this administration has accomplished instead acting surprised and throwing a tantrum about a conflict that has been going on for two lifetimes.
Biden is following the same US-ally mutual defense policy that has been in place since Israel was founded
Maybe he should change that policy.
This is the same excuse I hear from my idiot bosses on why we can’t do things more efficiently: iTs PoLiCy!
Policies can be changed.
Biden should definitely change it, and the White House just released that statement, and nobody is making an argument otherwise.
The point of these comments is that a singular policy that is in line with the last 20 administrations should not reflect as a personal candidate decision that causes anyone to vote for Trump or give Trump any chance to win.
I’ve been critical of the US israeli alliance for decades, and the Israeli occupation of Palestine in general as well as the extra judicial executions, but that has nothing to do with voting for this candidate this year.
Fuck that.
If you want people to vote for you, be good enough to vote for regardless who your opponent is.
If you believe that democracy is a valid method for choosing your leaders, then you don’t get to blame voters for ‘getting it wrong’; by definition they are always right.
If your guy doesn’t win, it means he fucked up. There’s nobody else to blame.
If it’s the end of the fucking world if your opponent gets in, then maybe just fucking maybe now is not the time to play chicken by trying to get away with being 99.99999% as much of a piece of shit as your opponent, and hoping to get by on the skinniest margin you can. If it’s that big a deal, maybe try to make that margin as wide as fucking possible.
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To be 100% clear here, you aren’t wrong. I’m removing this due to the personal attacks on the other user. I can tell by the way you write that you can make the point otherwise.
“Your tantrum is as naive as it is immature.”
Rule 3.
“you ignorant idiot”
Also rule 3.
Fair, I just had to go back and self-censor another comment. Have a good one
what?!! i thought it has been exactly the same for 70 years!
but here you are, claiming something new has happened in the last three months???
whaaaaaaaaat?!!!??!?!?!
(sound of head exploding)
Not surprising if you make things up, you’re going to confuse yourself chasing your own tail.
keep talking out of your ass, bruh
See that’s what’s getting you confused.
You keep putting your bottoms up and tops down.
Go look in the mirror. When you speak, even though what you see looks similar to your bottom, that’s actually your mouth.
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At every juncture, Netanyahu has given Biden the finger
*Surprised Pikachu face
Racist people never care about anyone, once he is done with Palestinians, you can be sure he will go after someone else
I didn’t know Israel was even handling Palestinian tax revenues. Gives a clear picture of just how much of a stranglehold that Israel has on Palestine, but I suppose it should’ve been obvious since I already knew they controlled food, water, and pretty much everything going in and out of Palestine.
Sure sure, running out of patience. How many days since they sent them more missles and weapons? What like, 11 or 12 days now? And before that Biden used an executive order to send even more? That was after we sent them an initial round of tons of weapons? Yeah Ill tell ya they’re bound to get a stern talking to any day now. I bet after they send them another 3 tons of ammunition the headlines will say something about how “the US is slamming Israel on their war in Gaza” Its so exhausting all this theater.
Biden went from
“We have to end it before election season”
to
“y’all are fine with Genocide right?”
Bibi is just waiting and hoping for Trump.
It isn’t too late for Biden to turn things around here. Refuse to send more aid unless Netanyahu can ensure it won’t kill innocent people, and make him do a little dance too.
Like always, Bibi is putting politics above all else.
Right? How is this not common knowledge? Putin is doing the same thing. Do people on Lemmy not follow the news?
