All of the legal costs associated with appeals I would assume.

Well, I think for one thing because Jill Stein seemingly had nothing to lose in that interview with Mehdi. The whole thing just came off as weird to me, and clearly that sentiment was pretty widely shared. I just don’t understand it I guess. If she had provided more context around her initial hesitancy perhaps I would feel differently.

I am also totally willing to admit that it is an intellectual double standard, but it isn’t a strategic one because the outcome of Kamala Harris’ speech has the ability to affect the outcome of this election in a huge way. I guess you could argue that Jill Stein’s does too since she is potentially peeling votes from the Democrats, but if she was actually serious about affecting change she could be lobbying Kamala Harris for policy concessions behind the scenes instead of just virtue signaling.

Jill Stein in that Mehdi interview really gave off the same energy as Kim Iversen in her debate with Destiny yesterday. Neither one of them did much to counter the narrative that they were at best highly sympathetic to Russia, or at worst closeted Russian assets. It was all just really bizarre and extremely suspect…

Just out of curiosity, do you think it would help her win the election if she did? She boycotted his speech in congress. She is treading a really thin line, and the only winning gambit seems to be keeping her messaging neutral until after the election. Rocking that boat right now gives the Republicans further ammunition to use against her, and will embolden Netanyahu to militarily escalate.

At the moment she can hide behind the veil of the current policy being driven exclusively by Biden rather than inserting herself in the middle of things, and therefore presenting additional leverage to her enemies. I don’t like the situation, but I don’t see how it was possible to play things any differently while still preserving a serious chance to win the election.

We normally see eye to eye on a lot of things, but in this case I think it is disengenuous to conflate the motivations of Jill Stein & Kamala Harris.

Well that is fucking depressing. Hopefully some of the information spreads to them via cultural osmosis I guess.

There’s always money to spend on profiting from human suffering in this country. If you think there won’t be a cottage industry that springs up around bounty hunting illegal immigrants if that was to become legal then you need a better imagination.

Let me ask you a nuanced question:

What type of punishment would you be in favor of for high level cartel members who have significant pull with prison gangs in the US?

If I put it another way. Are you okay with the type of supermax confinement that El Chapo is under at the moment as an example?

I’m asking because this is something that I personally wrestle with as I think it is a gray area within my own ethical boundaries as they relate to human rights.

It is the certification that has me worried. If this election is anywhere within a couple tenths of a point in Georgia, Nevada, or Michigan then shit is about to be a fucking nightmare.

I don’t think people are adequately weighing the danger of the Supreme Court putting their thumb directly on the scale in the event these election deniers are able to effectuate something approximating the obstruction in 2000 or 2020. Now that we know John Roberts is effectively in the bag for Trump, all bets are off.

Hopefully the good people of Springfield take the time to roast an actual pussy once he gets there.

Underrated comment.

The thing I believe you are missing in your assessment is that it took outside forces to overcome Nazism in Germany, and Fascism in Europe more broadly.

Nobody is coming to save us this time. We are the world’s leading nuclear superpower. So, any attempt to change course is going to have to come from within unless we are talking about destroying civilization entirely.

I don’t see a way that outside diplomacy is going to have any effect either. We must accept the reality we are in, and fight back by using grassroots methods to stop the radicalization of our peers.

I grant you that it feels like a hopeless battle at times, but so do all wars of attrition. I understand the anger and the fear. It is justified. However, we need to be clear eyed and sober minded about the reality we are living in. So, I think my original point still stands.

Half of us…Let’s not other-ize them because I’m assuming you are also American, and like it or not they are our fucking peers.

One way or another they are our fucking problem to deal with unfortunately. I know you didn’t really mean it like that most likely, but I think it is important to recognize that we have to accept the reality of the society we are living in no matter how much we fucking hate it.

Never heard about Tab Clear, but the Crystal Pepsi reference checks out ✔️

I also downvoted you both as a show of support for the consistent application of your principals, and because I also think Vaush is an annoying fuck.

I didn’t even know about most of the rage-bait controversy shit from this thread. I just hated him because he’s the living embodiment of the Well Ackshually meme…

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You fail to take into account that basically 90% of the cannabis industry is owned by white people, many of whom are alt-right counterculturists, and more of them than you’d think are pro-Trump.

It turns out that an industry built around people with a tenuous appreciation for the law are often easily coopted by a demagogue who constantly threatens to overthrow the government.

They serve the same masters, and are on the same team. It doesn’t matter what all of the 2025’ers think they are going to get. Trump is going to do what is good for him to remain in power, and removing other white people from positions of ownership in a sin-taxed industry that is coopted by the government isn’t one of those things.

What you believe is irrelevant. I have seen the beast from the inside, and I can tell you for a fact that cannabis is staying legal as long as it is profitable for the white robber barons.

It is billions in taxes per year.

That is already happening. They don’t need to make cannabis illegal again in order to monopolize the industry. All that takes is time, money, and effective lobbyists.

You clearly don’t know shit about legal cannabis. This will never happen in a million fucking years regardless of who is in office.

There is too much economic infrastructure built out around the industry now, and the states & federal government make a fortune in tax revenue. There is literally a zero percent chance cannabis legalization is rolled back further than where it is today.

Source: worked in the cannabis industry for almost 15 years.