I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention, rather than a casual “hello” like it is now, so it sounded rude to some older folks.

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    I’m glad that the attitude that if you don’t speak “correctly,” then you are not worth engaging with is dying out.

    Well, on the grammar front, anyway.

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      I’m glad the “not worth engaging with” attitude is dying out, but I do still think it’s important to push for people to communicate accurately and effectively, which includes understanding and following grammatical rules when needed.

      Language and vocabulary are essential to how we think and collectively problem-solve.

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        The point of language is to communicate information.

        If the information was successfully relayed, the language exchange was successful.

        If the person knows you MEAN “hello, I would like two of these items here, thank you good sir. hands cash and cashier says thank you You’re welcome. Have a pleasant day, sir” when you SAY “Sup, two please. Thanks man. No problem have a good one.” then you have successfully languaged.

        So when my wife with a plethora of issues involving word recall says some insane thing because she can’t remember the right words, as long as I understand what she means, her language did it’s job.

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      It should of died out long ago and on the side of academic linguistics did, but on the internet sadly not so much

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          Because these who feel hurt by this deserve to be hurt. No tolerant for intolerance

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        There’s descriptive and there’s prescriptive linguistics. The first is the scientific endeavor of finding out and explaining how a language works. The second is the realm of anal politicians from the colonialist era who used language as an oppression tool to suppress local cultures and force the hegemonic culture upon indigenous people to make it easier to dominate, eradicate and subjugate them. Currently regarded as one of the defining elements of Genocides. For examples see, Spanish, French, English, Russian, German, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin … well you get the idea.

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        Does it really create a stumbling block though? In a lot of the threads I see it being pointed out in, everyone does understand the OP. The people pointing out the grammar seem to be more derailing to the conversation than anything.

        Plus I can’t say I agree with whatever you mean by “getting their work more widely read or published”. A lot of famous books that you’re expected to read in school are already past modern English.

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            Isn’t this conflating professional publishing with…general speaking though?

            You have to understand as a publisher that there’s different standards between doing your job and talking to people everyday.

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      I think it’s all about context. Sometimes things are formal, sometimes things are informal. The ability to participate in either situation is important.