do you not smell body odor or do you just get used to it?
Genuinely curious. I have met a few people of different walks of life that I could tell did not and I have always used it, so I’m just curious. I know there was a couple that stopped using it for around a year, and they said their body actually end up not perspiring as much as when they used antiperspirant, but I’d like to know other people’s experiences.
I use non-antiperspirant deodorant. I got tired of the aluminum in antiperspirant staining my shirts and clumping up, then I learned that the aluminum works by being an irritant that causes an allergic swelling that blocks your sweat glands. That all sounds pretty gross to me. I might re-apply deodorant during the day if I’ve been sweating, or put on some fresh clothes or even take a light shower.
aluminum works by being an irritant that causes an allergic swelling
That’s not how it works though
Thank you correcting my understanding! The part I find gross though is less the mechanism and more the result: that all the sweat my body is making is just stuck in the glands. If the anti-perspirant was simply absorbing the sweat as it comes out of the pores, then I would feel different about it.
So tl;dr they simply block the pores on your skin to prevent sweating?
Yep.
But it’s the sweat glands, to be precise.
This is the correct answer. Deodorant works just fine without cancer causing aluminum oxide.
You don’t have to use it, but aluminum salts are not really cancer-causing:
https://www.healthline.com/health/what-to-know-about-aluminum-in-deodorant
All calories are cancer causing, seriously. We need to stop using that term, because it’s nearly meaningless. We use it to describe something with a 100% cancer rate, and 0.01% rate.
Most people make the greatest risk of their lives, when they get in their car… and here we are all taking precautions against something insanely less likely to cause your death.
Aluminum sulfate has also been theoretically linked to Alzheimer’s.
This is an internet myth based off a single flawed study that hasn’t ever been able to be replicated that you’re shipping as a studied fact. I won’t engage in an argument with you but here are some sources for the lurkers.
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/risk-factors-and-prevention/metals-and-dementia
https://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/controversial-claims-risk-factors
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0161813X19300361 https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-alzheimers/myths
Cheers mate, thanks for this.
I said theoretically because I recall it not being proven, and it’s been a while since I read anything on the topic.
It’s mildly amusing that my statement suggested to you anything remotely close to “studied fact”. Are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Enough water? There’s empirical evidence out there that those can help with constipation. Now that’s a studied fact! Be well! 😇
It’s unfortunate that your ego was harmed by my comment. I enjoy my daily toilet time. I’m even pooing right now. I hope this brings you comfort.
My ego is fine! Enjoy.
This is how you fight off Tigers with using antiperspirant, it blocks the paws…
Neither. I just don’t smell. Confirmed by partners over the years. As it turns out, it’s genetic. One perk of being Korean I suppose.
The non-functional ABCC11 allele is predominant among East Asians (80–95%), but very low among European and African populations (0–3%).[6] Most of the world’s population has the gene that codes for the wet-type earwax and average body odor; however, East Asians are more likely to inherit the allele associated with the dry-type earwax and a reduction in body odor.[6][32][34] The reduction in body odor may be due to adaptation to colder climates by their ancient Northeast Asian ancestors.[32] Wiki: Body Odor (Genes affecting body odor section)
Cool. My smelllessness has a name. I am european though, but the description fits. I guess I won the generic lottery
Regular deodorant works just as well as antiperspirant for stopping scent, and if you don’t sweat all that much, there is relatively little difference.
This is what I do. I don’t like the ingredients that make up antiperspirants so I stick with not stinking.
I generally don’t sweat too badly either, which helps.
Exactly. Luckily I don’t sweat much or smell much, so basic solid unparfumed deodorant works fine.
I sweat the same amount with deodorant and antiperspirant! Either way, under my arms are going to be a little wet, but also I don’t smell either way.
If I go a day without deodorant though, I can definitely tell
How do you know they all weren’t wearing it?
There are a lot of people who do wear it but continue to smell because of underlying medical conditions. For example, fruity smelling body odor can indicate diabetes. People with a rare genetic condition called Trimethylaminuria can smell strongly of fish. It all depends on what bacteria (which outnumber your own body cells by 10 to 1 even though they are only 2% of your body mass) and what balance of enzymes you may or may not have.
Reducing perspiration can and often does help, concealing the odor with different ones can help, but sometimes people’s bodies just aren’t right for whatever mass produced product they have bought. Sometimes that can be fixed with medication. Sometimes it can’t.
I knew a guy in university who absolutely reeked. He was a really nice person and I befriended him in a casual way (like sit together in a lecture, chat in the hall). It was clearly a medical thing but people ostracized him and talked behind his back about how he must never shower. I felt really bad for him.
It’s a legitimate disability, and certainly I don’t envy anyone with this issue. We’ve all been taught that people who have maybe acne or body odor or sweating issues or dandruff or whatever else are just people with “poor hygiene”, but the reality is that products and buildings are made to meet the needs of the most ‘average’ person (usually defined by a company selling something), and there is so much variation in how bodies function. When you’re trying to make a product that maximises usage and sales, it’s ironically easy to exclude a lot of people.
Thanks for being kind to that person, I’m glad you were able to see (and smell) past it.
For anyone else who does experience limitations because of their body odor, check out the Job Accessibility Network’s list of possible accomodations for this symptom of your disability. Because medical issues that cause you to be ostracised and limit your ability to function in society are a disability and you deserve an equal opportunity to thrive.
Preach. For a long time I was given shit for dandruff. No matter how clean my hair was, I’d always have dandruff. Wasn’t until I decided to let my hair grow out to donate it, and thus learnt about how to take care of it properly, that it was the shampoo and conditioner I was using that caused it in the first place.
Now it’s clean and healthy, with no dandruff. Bodies are hella weird.
That’s a fair point. I guess only one or two I knew said they didn’t use it because of the aluminum, but I didn’t get to ask more about it.
I know people who don’t use antiperspirant because they tell people about it, and how aluminum causes breast cancer and Alzheimer’s. Neither claim is substantiated. Aluminum consumed in food from being cooked in/on aluminum can contribute to Alzheimer’s. The one claiming aluminum causes breast cancer said “Just think about it. It makes sense.”
I personally don’t wear antiperspirant but only when I’m planning on not leaving the house, because sweating feels good sometimes. Not in summer, and I’ll usually wear shirts that absorb snuggles help evaporate my sweat. It gets the salt out and feels better after a workout when I can sweat more.
I’m honestly surprised by the amount of gross people here. It doesn’t matter if you asked some people about your smell. You don’t use deodorant and go about your day, you smell. It is as simple as that. Sure, right after a shower of when lying on the couch the whole day you might be fine. But as soon as you start moving, you smell.
Let the down-votes come :)
Fun fact, there’s around 2% of people that don’t produce smell when they sweat. The smell comes from bacteria that eat a certain chemical in sweat, and the folks don’t produce it, i.e. no bacteria or smell.
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To be honest, I think this can also depend a lot on the climate that you’re from. In cold and dry climates you don’t necessarily get as smelly. When I moved to a hot and humid place it was like “okay, showers are a multiple times a day thing here, I guess.” Even when staying inside and loafing about in air conditioning it was noticeably worse. There’s a number of factors that change from person to person too… some people are greasier, some people are stinkier. You should probably shower and deodorant up whenever you’re going to leave the house and be near other people as a rule of thumb, but I think a fair number of people don’t shower every day and can get by okay.
I’m used to a drier climate. When I’ve visited some places that are more humid, I’ve been surprised how much more I can smell everything. Every person. Every place. Around corners. What’s on the ground. Everything.
I do wear a scented antiperspirant because I like how it smells, it doesn’t react badly with me and I don’t wear a lot of other scents. But yeah, some places require more than that even.
In cold and dry climates you don’t necessarily get as smelly
This 100%, for me at least
hell, I shower once a week, when I’m not doing manual labor like, say, construction or weightlifting. (which I then shower immediately after.)>
I don’t smell at all by day 6, but my hair gets mildly greasy, so I wash it.
live at 6273ft above sea level, in a “high desert plains”, acccordig to google.
YMMV, obviously.
worth noting that I’ve also been noseblind since birth, and the only feedback I have in my scnents (or lack thereof) has been my family’s noses, and my partner’s nose.
Definitely. Me personally, I sweat in humid and hot climates in a certain way but even when it’s dry and cold I get this weird sweat where my body is cold but my armpits are sweating like crazy. It also doesn’t help that you wear warmer clothing you constantly have to shed when going inside…
Yeah I went without deodorant for a few weeks while I healed from a rash caused by another deodorant (usually aluminum fucks with me, but this one didn’t have aluminum, don’t know why I reacted so badly to it). I could smell my own stink when I raised my arms.
But yeah, people who just go “natural” don’t realize how much body odor they carry. I’ve met many people over the years who just stink to high hell, but don’t realize or don’t care how much they smell.
Genetics aside, the amount of cope and pseudoscience in these comments is really a spectacle. I don’t care enough to debate the point… Do they not know about olfactory fatigue? It’s not that you smell less folks, it’s that you get used to it.
So here is what I’ve noticed.
The acceptance of sweat BO is partly a cultural thing. At my workplace we have people from all over the world, and there are certain parts of the world where it is clearly uncommon to wear deoderant. Both men and women, although I have noticed it far more with men. I guess if everyone had natural BO, it wouldn’t seem so unusual.
This is not to be confused with uncleanliness, I’m sure these people shower, the scent is purely one of sweat from hard physical labor. It is never better or worse, but always the same and in fact, you can identify people by their particular unique scent.
The primary cultures that don’t use deodorant and smell like a wet ox, in order:
- Magic the Gathering tournament players.
- Board game café customers.
- Gamescom attendants.
Don’t forget smash players that no life the tournament scene
Sometimes I’m a bit disturbed by strong manly BO because they are too… arousing. Specially in places like at work where feeling arousal is the last thing I want.
It’s not just cultural in terms of nations it’s also dependent on the type of work. You’re going to be critical of a taxi driver stinking of BO when he sits in an air conditioned cab all day, but not somebody doing physical labour in the open air
Deodorant user here. I smell great because of it. I didn’t like antiperspirant because I also found I smelt worse because of it and it never really stopped the sweat very well anyways.
Something you may not factor in though is people expire at different rates. Also, some people smell worse than others regardless of expiration time and some perspire more.
Some people don’t sweat that much. For example, I have to use antiperspirant to avoid body odor but my wife don’t need to use one and I can’t smell odor.
This is probably related to this genetic trait. I have wet earwax and body odor, while my wife has dry earwax and no body odor.
Quote from the article:
In general people with the non-functioning ABCC11 variant don’t need to wear deodorant.
Wet earwax??
Yep this actually varies among people. The “wet” type is soft kinda like warm candle wax, and more common in the West. AFAIK the “dry” type is more brittle and crumbly and more common in East Asia.
Apparently I got that too. Confirmed by my first gf, I barely smell while sweaty. And my earwax is dry/flaky.
Antiperspirant made me stink more. I switched to non antiperspirant deodorant years ago and it seems to be the right product for me. I do run cooler than most and didn’t sweat at all till I was 22.
And yes any sweat will eventually smell so daily showers are part of this routine.
I couldn’t really get antiperspirant to work though, really. Always my underarms would smell at the end of the day, and my shirts as well. That doesn’t happen anymore.
ETA: I think you have some bias at play here - you don’t really know if the stinky people you meet are wearing antiperspirant, or if the good smelling people you meet aren’t.
Do you mean deodorant? I don’t use antiperspirant because it actually makes me sweat more in my experience. I’m not alone on this either.
Often antiperspirants create a cycle of dependency. They kill off some of the benign bacteria and favour the ones that produce strong body odour, so if you stop using them you stink.
I grew up in a region where no-one used antiperspirant or deodorant. Nobody smelt bad. People have a smell, but its not strong.
When I moved to the city and smelt post-basketball teenage BO, it was so bad.
I dont use antipersperant. I have asked many people if I smell, all agree I dont.
Aye, we know way too little about the effect of skin products on the microbiome of our skin. Some of what has been looked at has different conclusions. There is a ‘community’ out there somewhere that I used to keep tabs on that believe everyone can get to the point of ‘mildly smelly’ at worst. The idea is that you just have to find the right bacteria to populate your skin. They would scrape and swap. There were two camps of thought, separated by whether they believed washing with soap was appropriate once you had the right bacteria mix.
Bro would it be weird if we rubbed armpits to swap microbiomes
Sounds like what aliens would think human mating is.
I mean, I wouldn’t be against it, offhand, but I think I’d have to get to know you first. What’s your body odor like? :p
Soap makes you clean and smell good. It’s so tiring to read majestic mental gymnastics around how to not smell like ass. You smell what you eat, and soap removes the smell. It really is no rocket science. And no, you cannot figure out how your microbiomes work, even scientists can’t.
As many others have said, the choice is not between antiperspirant and nothing. I use deodorant but no antiperspirant.
I’m allergic to aluminum-based antiperspirants, and I didn’t know there was another kind for a long time, so I’ve always just used deodorant. It has never been a problem for me.
Course not, it’s a problem for everyone around you though.
I’m not sure you understand what a deodorant does. It doesn’t stop you from sweating, but it makes you not smell.
I’ve never had any complaints, but go off.
I learned something about people when I was married to this certain guy for a while. his armpits never smelled. But his feet did.
I’ve always been the opposite. My feet never produce odor. But my armpits do.
conclusion. Not everybody needs deodorant on their armpits.
I’ve never once noticed someone’s body odor. On the other hand, some who just finished showering using a fruity shampoo reeks imo. Ditto for people who use perfume or cologne. And those often can also cause allergies for many people…
I’ve never once noticed someone’s body odor
You are truly fortunate xD
I work in a warehouse and omg the things I have smelled. The worst is when the person working in front of me has strong BO and a fan is blowing it into my face all day.
Can’t be worse than someone with cologne sitting between you and a fan…
Really depends on the cologne / dosage
Lol I take pure cologne over stinky any day
colognes wear off, but stink only gets stronger and stronger…
The worst is the sickly sweet floral perfumes like my grandma, and sometimes my mom, would wear. Being trapped in a car with them, I think gave me PTSD bc I instantly go back to that feeling of suffocating nausea even to this day.
My partner will be like ooh try this (essential oil) and I’m like ugggghhh
Thankfully nobody really seems to wear those anymore. Even super pungent colognes don’t hit me the same way, and we have some guys who must bath in that shit…
Your comments are making it sound like you smell bad and just cant tell
Oh is that why everyone flees when I enter a room?
lol I would actually like to know how I smell to others. Gross, exotic… enticing? Assuming freshly showered and let’s say no scented soaps or anything. Just normal scent.
My partner says not at all. The only thing that really bothers me is underarm odor, being transfem I feel like mine is a bit too masc, I need to reappy deoderant halfway through my shift at work.
Also would like to know how my voice sounds to others…
Yep, I have some sensitivity to fragrances and perfumes and unfortunately, people who use standard shampoo, conditioner, deodorant, laundry soap and dryer sheets smell horrible to me, sometimes from 5 feet away or just being in the same room. Some shampoo is so strong that I can smell it just from them having been in the same room 3 minutes ago. It’s unfortunate that sometimes, it’s people who think they’re being civilized and responsible, while in fact their scented stuff is causing problems that won’t exist otherwise. It’s actually harder to find products that don’t do this, though, as the standard American mainstream brand ones are all awful as far as fragrances go (Pantene, pert, suave, Gain, Tide, Bounce, Snuggle etc).
The absolute worst is when you’re swimming laps and someone goes past wearing perfume. You can taste it! Ugh. Shower before you swim, please (without fruity shampoo, lol).
I feel like you must never have been in middle school if you’ve never smelled somebody else’s body odor. Those kids need to be told to use antiperspirant by their gym teachers/coaches for a reason.
Also that you must have never had sex.
Been to middle school. Can’t say BO was a problem. Axe body spray OTOH? Definitely was.
Can confirm lack of experience with sex.
Axe body spray wasn’t around when I was in middle school. So everybody just smelled like BO after gym class.
Lucky you. No wonder you think BO is bad if you didn’t have to deal with much worse…
Can definitely agree with you there. My sympathies.
It’s not really an issue for most people who aren’t exercising. And I can say this as one who fucks, regardless of your juvenile attempts at disparagement.
I made no attempt at disparagement. I was simply pointing out the fact that bodies produce scents when they have sex. In fact, I don’t think there’s anything wrong whatsoever with not having had sex regardless of one’s age or gender. It’s simply the truth that sex smells.
