• SARGEx117@lemmy.world
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    I’d love to see a video that takes this concept, but walks around with it. Literally

    Start by getting out of a car on the side of the street or in a parking lot, and when the camera gets out of the car, all the “car areas” drop away, leaving only the paths you’re “allowed” to take. Tiny sections right against the parking spaces, zebra crossings, sidewalks, all normal (or in this style).

    Camera goes about a normal day, and as they’re looking around, all the car designated areas are just voids.

    Bonus points if areas you’re technically not supposed to walk are boxed off in like a video game style DO NOT ENTER wall. For instance, there are sections of my city with NO sidewalks, up against private residences. So your options are walk over people’s yards or in the street. In this scenario, it’s a void against a wall. Good luck.

    I’m just thinking about walking to get to downtown, and there’s no way I could do it without being somewhere I’m “not allowed”. And imagining the massive voids everywhere is a bit depressing. Not that roads and parking lot deserts are any less depressing… I need to go walk in the woods for a bit…

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    This has circled around the internet for years now. I remember the last time I saw it people were losing their minds over how “reductive” it was. Blew me away

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      “I CAN THINK OF ONE JOURNEY THAT NEEDED A CAR THEREFORE ALL JOURNEYS NEED CARS” Jesus

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      Cargo bikes need to become more common. It would have easily carried a laser printer … and a second laser printer … and your groceries for the week … and a kitchen appliance.

      Edit: Here are the examples from the Not Just Bikes video on cargo bikes:

      https://youtu.be/rQhzEnWCgHA?t=470

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      I gotta hand it to you, kid, you’re the perfect specimen why communities like fuck cars exist, and why nothing is changing.

      Even presented with a fucking wishing well you cannot come up with anything but “CAaAaR”, because your imagination spans from wall to wallpaper.

      You could have imagined and wished for e.g. a working infrastructure of cargo bike sharing, but nope!, car it is!

      You don’t understand why people hate cars, you’re part of the reason people hate cars.

      I don’t have money, I don’t make money, so I couldn’t get an Uber/Lyft/Taxi (Not to mention that we don’t have taxis where I live).

      Ah, a car is free, of course, it just drops out of nowhere and runs on unicorn dust. Tonight, please ask mommy and daddy what they’re paying for their car(s). Full cost: down payment, monthly payments, fuel, repairs, insurance, loss of value, everything.

      I’m gonna tl;dr it for you: if you cannot afford a taxi/uber/whatever even once, you cannot afford a car. There, that was easy, wasn’t it?

      I ruled a bike out as an option as I CANNOT take a bike onto a school bus, so I can get to school.

      I thought the printer was just 3 miles away? Did it ever occur to you you could have just gone home, pick up the cargo bike, ride the 3 miles to the printer which literally takes 10 minutes and pick it up?

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      That’s such a contrived example why would we even bother with it?

      Typically when people purchase or obtain items that they need to transport home or to someplace, they do some sort of planning ahead. Also, when I was a kid and needed transportation I typically could just ask an adult to help out with this. Or, another option would be to ask the school to hold the object until you could arrange transportation.

      In any case, three miles is not a particularly long distance to traverse, and as you pointed out above you were actually able to walk that distance while carrying it. Well laser printers are somewhat heavy, I’m sure it was a little annoying to carry and you probably had to stop several times and rest. By myself had to carry 30 lb of lumber about 3 mi home from the lumber store years ago when I didn’t have a car. And yes I was able to manage.

      However, cargo bicycles exist and are quite popular in many parts of the world including the United States and can carry up to 400 lbs, so it is not true that the only means of transporting moderately weighty items is by automobile.

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      In fact, I would be willing to bet that you would not even need a cargo bicycle but a normal bicycle with a rear rack and a couple of bungee cords would probably suffice. I know this because I got away without having a bicycle for 6 years as an adult American in a city and even went bicycle camping a few times with my friends.

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      Taxi? wheelbarrow? Cart? Steal a shopping cart?

      I used to say things like this when I lived without a car, but it took me way too long to realize other people walking to the grocery would take a taxi/Uber home. It makes it a lot easier to carry the load and it’s not too expensive in one direction for a short distance

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    Man this sub is weird. i would block it but im kinda curious to see if it devolves into some kind of weird flat yearthy / vegany hybrid sub. god speed to you all, cuz you dont have cars i guess.

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        It’s fine to be against cars and not use them. But then to be obsessed about it to the point you end up preaching it like hardcore vegans, it gets obnoxious and is counterproductive. The reason for the connection to flat earth is because there are plenty of valid conspiracy theories to be analysed (oil companies doing suspicious shit) and having seen multiple posts about how roads are not meant to exists indicates the early stages of a warped worldview. And i sont just mean “the current road structures are bad”, but rather it being porttayed as unnatural and therefore bad. Combining these factors makes me think these anti car communities are headed in that direction. But idk enough about it to know if it will happen, its just based on loose snippets i’ve seen from these communities.

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            nah, ill just see what happens. i dont care enough about any of this to justify spending time defending my viewpoint. especially when the dude asking me to do so warps what im saying right out of the gate. good luck on your journey to ending cars

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    Okay, so if there are no more cars and only public transports, people can walk all over the road without worry? Where do you think buses drive?

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      Most transit advocates prefer trams/streetcars over buses. They’re safer and can coexist with people much better.

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      Public transport needs much less space than cars. Especially if you put all the parking lots into the equation. So much space in cities is wasted by cars that do not even move most of the day.

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      It’s one bus every so often vs a non stop stream of cars. That’s the difference.

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        It’s only every so often because of all the other cars there. When there are no cars, the buses will be a LOT more frequent

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          🤦‍♀️ I literally gave you the space requirements of cars vs PT in a city that already has stellar public transport compared to the US, and you still can only come up with this utterly lobotomized hot take. Please tell me you’re not developing something important.

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      my dude you do realize that’s exactly what people did in the past before cars existed, right? There’s a video of olden gothenburg that shows kids running in front of the trams for fun!

      And if you go there now you’ll see people crossing precisely wherever the fuck they please, because it’s just inherently way easier to deal with a couple public transport vehicles per minute than it is 50 cars.

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      The point is that the whole thing should be designed differently. We should focus these spaces around people rather than cars. There probably wouldn’t even be roads there at all. Streets would be fewer and with more space between them, and they would be designed to defer to pedestrian traffic more often, rather than the other way around. Bus stops would be on those streets, and pedestrians would walk a distance away to board them, while moving through safe, walking-focused sidewalks and avenues on the way.

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      It’s almost like everyone would have more space if cars wouldn’t eat up 50% of the available space, while public transport and bikes only get 4% and 2%… :O Ö O: .O.

      And this is in an area of Berlin where only 13% of trips are taken by car while bikes and public transport account for 32% and 22%.

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      This surely translate to less traffic, better commute times, less noises, less pollution, safer streets and the list goes on.

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      Buses are better than cars but they’re still the worst form of public transport. They pollute like cars. They’re dangerous like cars. And they move as slowly as the traffic, like cars.

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      Also delivery vehicles? The hipster organically grown vegetables in the local bodega at the foot of your apartment building in your walkable urban utopia don’t arrive there by magic.

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    Hey, I know that place. That’s exactly what the old downtown area of my native city looked like while they were renovating all the streets (which took well over a year).

    Also looks like Venice, just fill the hole with water.l and tourist will be pouring in.

    Note: to be fair, after finishing the work in my city, those streets were all closed off to cars except for people who live there (not many) and deliveries for the local businesses.

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    I think it’s funny because even if cars weren’t invented then the images presented would still be the same. Cars followed the convention that was before them… horses, and horses with carts and cartridges.