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2020 was rigged – for Trump. That’s why Trump was so convinced that he should have won.
There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning.
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If I didn’t know better I’d say Dems and Republicans were playing good cop bad cop
Yeah that makes a ton of sense. He didn’t cheat, he lied about losing. The “protections” that kept him from winning is our normal electoral process.
I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I’ve seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the “for you” feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It’s quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
That’s happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what’s seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
Is it really a thing? I don’t mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them?
I know that programming.dev doesn’t defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don’t show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them).
At least, I believe that’s how it works.Algorithm isn’t that. It’s not just a block.
I don’t think anyone here did create anything like that that isn’t some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways.
Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views.
Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups.
Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order.
While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don’t notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box.
They aren’t blocked. Users can still subscribe to them.
They don’t show up in the All feed.Sounds like an modified algorithm to me
Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far.
There’s no doubt that social media has been weaponized to affect people’s opinion. That is not the same as “rigging an election”.
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They’re looking to overturn those peoples’ convictions.
I’m sure there is more that I’m leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that’s rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
Gerrymandering doesn’t effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don’t matter). I’ve seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That’s fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we’re in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing.
Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold.
Yeah, it was “a lot of little things” when Biden “stole” the election too…
So goddamn embarrassing.
How do you mean?
A lot of them have been decades in the making. Horrible.
We lost because we didn’t vote. End of story. All of this “fraud” non-sense is absolutely pathetic and just an excuse for the stubborn who didn’t vote against Trump.
Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It’s disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome.
A walk is much harder when it’s uphill and the wind is against you.
There was no “vote against Trump”. What you mean is “vote for Kamala Harris”, but why don’t you just say that? Maybe because you don’t want to think about why Democrats wouldn’t vote for her?
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Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020.
We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.
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If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don’t think I want it.
Even being FOSS and cryptographically signed is just partial solution, frankly.
Even if the software is FOSS and publicly reviewed, that doesn’t ensure it’s what is actually running on the hardware, or that the hardware can be trusted. The whole system needs comprehensive open design and review - and it gets complicated fast.
Throwing cryptography at voting creates some intriguing complications with interesting solutions, what with the usual voting system requirements (separation of voter identity from ballots, while still allowing the voter to verify the ballot was received correctly, is a huge problem).
And there’s always someone going “WhY wE dOn’t jUst uSe bLoCkChAiN” as if that magically solves all of the problems 🤦🏻♀️
Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it’ll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote.
Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that’s less bad than the current voting machine system.
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No, there are a couple making accusations in states that Harris won.
You sound exactly like a Trump supporter.
Okay this is what I’ve gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump’s history, his many statements while campaigning it’s not hard to believe there wasn’t cheating but if it’s this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven’t been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it’s a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris’s votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin’s votes. Again I haven’t looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn’t matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren’t pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don’t think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I’d be curious just to know but I’m also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it’s not an exclusive list.
None that’s been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don’t take it seriously. Same as last time.
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Yes thank you.
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There’s a big difference between a judge saying you can proceed to Discovery and you getting up in front of a judge and swearing to tell the truth or face perjury charges. That’s the bar. That’s when all those lawsuits in 2020 failed. Because none of them would risk being disbarred or jailed. Once you get to that point I’ll start giving more credence. But I wish them the best of luck in Discovery.
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Don’t thank him. Harris won New York. So how did Trump “cheat” in a way that affected the election?
That’s a single county in one state which Harris already won, and the expert that they consulted said
In any case, it does not appear that any of these inconsistencies would be sufficient to change the outcomes of any of the elections in question in New York state.
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I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I did read the article. That’s how I found that bit that I quoted.
Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up?
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It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name’s of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.
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Add it to the pile. I wasn’t mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about:
https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/
HARRIS WON NEW YORK.
So… fucking… stupid.
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What a stupid fucking argument. You’re saying that this is PROOF of widespread, nation-wide fraud? It’s not, at all.
You’re a fucking embarrassment. The election was fair, like it was in 2020. You are exactly the same as the Trump supporters who thought Biden cheated. And you make us all look stupid.
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I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
You sound like a normal, sane person. Not a cunt. There is nothing more embarrassing than seeing massive dumbasses on my side do EXACTLY THE SAME THING they did in 2020. It’s just fucking pathetic.
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Blue MAGA bullshit.
Racism and sexism? Not Gaza?
Anyone who refused to vote against Trump over Gaza is either 1.) unbelievably stupid or 2.) doesn’t actually give a fuck about Palestinians and just performative self-centered assholes.
Our elections don’t allow voting against, only voting for.
2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves.
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This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you’re doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process…
Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it’s true.
They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what
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Dunno what that is
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Dicks can fart?
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A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war…
Yeah, you’re right. There’s no way she could’ve lost. It must’ve been rigged!
At least she didn’t want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that’s ignored, right?
AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It’s irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn’t switch to Trump. They just didn’t vote.
Exactly! When asked what she would’ve done differently vs Biden, she said “nothing.” That doesn’t really motivate people to get out and vote for her.
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100%
Do yourself a favor and don’t click through.
X is worse than YouTube comments were a decade ago. Just a total cesspool.
Its a nazi site
Surprised more nominees don’t come out swinging. “The election of 2020 had sever irregularities consistent with the high rate of mail in voting and we all know Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster so what won’t these people do to undermine democracy? Follow the clues! WWG1WGA!!”
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Shouldn’t he have come back to life by now?
Biden was certified as what? The winner
Being certified as the winner is not the same as being the winner. There’s nothing contradictory about both claiming Biden was certified and claiming Biden was falsely certified - so this isn’t like the “state’s right to what?” thing, finishing the sentence for them doesn’t change the statement.
It doesn’t need to be a contradiction to be obvious weasel words they’re using to literally avoid saying a few very specific words: “Biden won” or “Trump lost”
That’s a pretty nuanced take. I don’t think Trump can appreciate that level of nuance and would be outraged anyway.
It’s not finishing their sentence, it’s forcing them to be specific. Rs want to sound clever and play word games, back them into a corner and make them be specific.
It’s infuriating that Rs spit out word salads and play word games but no one ever pushes back on them, journalists and other Ds just let it slide.
