Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not convinced it did happen. His last words were literally making light of gun violence. If I read this in a book, I’d say it was too on-the-nose
We have no clue how long the shooter was zeroed in. It’s entirely possible they chose the funniest moments to pull the trigger.
Shooter was standing there for an hour going
“well I gotta do it now then”
It was all set up. The person who asked the question, before the universe just throw a bullet at Charlie Kirk.
The universe didn’t do it. The universe and I were doing a LOTR directors cut marathon all day today.
Damn. I didn’t know the universe was a LoTR fan.
In infinite universe theory, there are nearly infinite timelines where this didn’t happen. We’re finally entering the good timeline.
Seemed like it was more in the neck to me
Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
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His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many”
He was corrected, the number is 5.
He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)
He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
His last word was “violence”.
It’s beautiful
It’s poetic.
And isn’t it poetic?
Don’t you think?It’s like rain on that assholes birthday
It’s a free ride when they’ve already paid
It’s the gun shot that you just took to the neck And who would’ve thought? It figuresIf some historian a hundred years from now or whatever wants to say this moment represented a real turning point, please don’t
This is the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen, bar none.
Make Fascists Afraid Again.
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
Maybe he was waiting for Chuck to say a number. But chuck was too slippery. One last owning of the libs, right before he was triggered. At least you know he died doing that thing where he opens his mouth and just kind of shows his gums with glee
I’m guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
He died doing what he loved
Lying for money. I hope he saved enough for his family
I do unironically feel bad for his kids, even if they may grow up better without him they still watched their dad get ganked in public. Note they were with him at the time.
I did not know that… That sucks
And I wasn’t being ironic either. I hope his ill gotten gains are enough for his kids to be ok… The damage he did collecting it will never equal what he squirreled away, but hopefully it at least is enough for his kids to grow up with food and therapists
That’s my take as well, right now they need comfort food and a highly respected trauma therapist. Maybe keep them away from crowds for awhile as well, who knows what issues will start to manifest in the coming days/weeks/months/years.
I feel bad for his kids, actually.
They’ll likely be raised to think their father was a martyr, so the poor things (like 1 and 3 years) will probably grow up in the alt-right-o-sphere where their dad was a martyr to the cause.
That’s very sad. They’ll likely won’t have had a chance.
I do too… But I wouldn’t say they don’t stand a chance
Their dad got shot while encouraging gun violence. That might instill some strong opinions in them
The kind of strong opinions that will likely be buried and come out later in therapy
But it could go either way
Depends. I expect his wife is just as alt-right-addled as he was, which might mean she’ll raise them to be little Nazis. I guess they might break out of that, and I hope so, but being raised alt-right with a prominent martyr to the cause as your father could seriously fuck you up. Don’t forget they’re very rich, so they’re insulated from the real world.
I mean you might be right, but I imagine the martyr thing could go either way
Just putting myself in their shoes, it probably won’t feel nice having their dad constantly praised for doing what they saw him die doing
Plus, Charlie Kirk was more hated than loved. There’s no putting them so deep in a bubble that they aren’t confronted with that fact
Kids tend to either follow or reject their parents beliefs… I’m not sure what this kind of trauma does to that, but I’ll bet it’ll make it more extreme
Hating.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
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Okay, second-best time. 😂
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
unless you use it as a overgeneral brush, and fill it with only minorities, and use it as a short hand for black people like it’s used in this context. are you a native english speaker?
dog whistles specifically use words with a cover meaning and the group agrees to internally change its meaning.
He didn’t use “gang violence” as short hand for “black violence.” That wouldn’t make sense in the context of mass shootings. He said “Counting or not counting gang violence?” more as a shorthand for “Are we counting criminals killing each other?” Whether it’s hispanic, white, or black gangs isn’t very relevant.
Gangs contribute to the majority of designated “mass shootings,” and are often excluded from conversations that want to focus on innocent victims of mass shooting as opposed to cases of criminals killing each other. After all, if all mass shootings were just gangsters shooting each other, people wouldn’t care nearly as much as they do now. They care about the mass shootings that don’t involve gangs.
EDIT: Seems like many sources explicitly exclude gang violence in their stats. So my statement may be incorrect that gangs contribute to “designated” mass shootings as they are not designation such by many sources.
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. 😂 Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
It’s a common talking point among the right that there aren’t really that many mass shootings in America if you exclude gang violence. Y’know, which is done by and only effects those people
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
Now that you mention it, this seems most likely.
Just some good old racism
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can’t do the math, though, I’m no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don’t apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don’t even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetizing that shit.
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
Yeah, like less than a second after he says violence is a sudden and absurd amount of gore
A full on tarintino, some would say
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine, not to mention the children being shot in schools
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
You’re desensitized to violence. Not something to be proud of or encourage 😟
Do you say the same to those somehow still supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza when there is vastly more grotesque footage? Or for the slaughtering and rapping in Ukraine with now years of footage? Or those enabling the children being blasted away in schools across the us on a daily basis, including yesterday? 🧐
Yes, as the decensitivation is a necessary element for the continuation of the violence
I saw it unintentionally and it was horrifying. It’s always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
For a white ethnostate run by fuck-you-got-mines, obviously.
If they’re “just words” then why are they so butthurt over our words? It’s just words when I say “Charlie Kirk deserved what he got”. What’s the big deal???
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions”
…like who?
I heard something like that from 2 different ‘news’ sources. One was Fox News and the other was PBS news. The PBS one was a lot less direct, but some rando who knew nothing about him could still take that message away. Zero mention of what he advocated for beyond challenging opinions on college campuses and mentioning he was a right wing influencer. They were playing up the think of the CEO’s family card just like they did with the UHC CEO. Oh and don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
One was Fox News
Shocking
the other was PBS news
No, it wasn’t. Bullshit.
don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
Okay. That’s just what they feel they have to do for appearances. Even the ones who actively wish for political violence (Trump) say that shit. No one should be surprised there.
Why do you disbelieve me? Do you think that PBS news wouldn’t focus on the political beliefs of a political activist without actually mentioning what those beliefs are when eulogizing him? They talked about how he was big in the Maga movement and how he was close to trump, but they didn’t mention any of his horrible views that he got flack for. When you don’t mention what his actual horrible views were and instead focus on a bunch of politicians’ generic condemnation of political violence, It’s not exactly a stretch to think that a viewer could think he was killed for his opinions or his political stance. PBS didn’t say that directly, but they don’t have to for people to take that message away.
PBS is a respectable news source that I trust. Some internet rando is not.
Edit: I don’t care if any of you self righteous fake intellectuals hate PBS. But I do take satisfaction in seeing that there were replies from people I blocked in the past. I don’t have to waste my time reading takes designed to hurt my feelings and spread awful ideas.
Sorry to break it to you, but PBS Newshour is not immune to corporate and political bias, just because it is(was? Idk honestly) partially publicly funded. They have sponsors to please and viewers to pander to just like other stations. I do generally think they are better than most broadcast news but they are still biased towards a general pro-corporate sanitized viewpoint. If a CEO (or any important western figurehead) dies they aren’t going to focus on harms they did, they will focus on telling how they were such a great loving family man regardless of if it is true.
Sounds like you don’t know much about PBS but confidently wanna mansplain it to me
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Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn’t even a different opinion. It’s the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
This person is correct.
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why.
Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.
Maybe it’s time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.
There’s a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they’re not violence.
Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
Yes, words matter.
But the ends don’t justify the means. Morality isn’t outcome-oriented. It’s wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.
If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can’t think of an exception.
No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn’t deserve sympathy.
I hope the bullet is ok.
Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for “not qualifying” to be “American”.
No he wasn’t a human being, he was a fascist. The two are mutually exclusive. The world is a better place now that he’s not in it and that’s worth celebrating.
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while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
This is like saying “so much for tolerance” when progressives don’t tolerate intolerance. It’s a social contract: if you are intolerant of others you don’t get the benefit of tolerance extended to you.
If you are unsympathetic towards others then you don’t get the benefit of sympathy.
People don’t sympathize with their trash when it ends up in landfill.
I dearly regret Charlies tragic passing.
When I initially heard the news I was hoping he was in for a half a century of quadriplegia with destroyed vocal cords.
It’s okay, you can also deeply regret his tragic birth, too.
LOL. Meanwhile Glen Beck is crying his eyes out on TV.
The world is just a little better today.
Overall it still sucks, but it’s nice to know good things still happen once in a while.
I’m savoring it, as things are bound to get worse. The right produces too many directed nutters.
This will directly lead to things getting worse. The right will be mobilized by the martyr, is my fear.
Typical lib take.
Things are already getting worse, the right is already mobilised and in control, the military patrols your streets, secret police snatch up people, and innocent people are dying because of clowns like Charlie.
They don’t need a false flag to do what they’re already fucking doing.
Resistance is the only path to freedom.
I suppose you’re right. However, I have no doubts that the administration will use this to hasten their authoritarian processes .
I bet the world moves on in a week
Nah…I don’t think so
Political violence is a symptom. There’s been tons of political violence, this time they aimed low on the totem pole and got away clean
We were already here. Nothing has changed. It’s been done to the left, now the right has lost someone after numerous attempts
They already were trying to do authoritarian crackdowns, it wasn’t working. Now they’re afraid, and probably more likely to make even more mistakes
Yeah, it’s definitely going to happen. Which is hilarious, that some hateful douchebag will cause the deaths of thousands in death, but would also have caused the deaths of thousands in life. Anyway, Europe’s still looking nice. Canada’s definitely getting caught in this shit
Yeah we merged onto the highway to hell in November… Things were always going to get worse. It’s nice to have the occasional shining moment though.
Yep. I’ve already said this like three times on other platforms: it’s ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The “it’s worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns” and this empathy thing.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.
There are many who believe that one guy escaped to Argentina and lived a long life.
Every single time a fascist dies, is a time to celebrate. And yes, I mean absolutely every single fucking time.
I’m sure there’s way more than only two examples, but I’ll be fucked if I’m going to wade through his nonsense to find them.
You could also be happy in Kim Jong Un dies… maybe Putin?
I always wonder where the cut off is, how evil does someone have to be for society to accept their death with gladness?
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Any and every Oligarch is on my list for sure. May every one of them have a horrifying death that reflects the pain they have directly and indirectly inflicted on the world.
It’s what he would have wanted.
I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
Like that wouldn’t happen without this. This belief that “if we don’t give them an excuse, they won’t make things worse” really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.
They sound like a battered wife making excuses for their abusive husband.
They pretty much are.
Like winning WWII increased violence against non-nazis?
That sound like an argument for protecting ourselves, not that Kirks death isn’t a positive.
I’m almost certain you guys write replies like this with the frame of mind that it’s a clever way of wishing violence. It’s a peak reddit tier response designed to dodge moderators.
ah yes, because it’s not like they’re alrrady commiting violence. If they’re gonna try and eradicate minorities, we should at least take some of them out with us
im willing to bet the shooter was a white cis man though
I beleive all life is sacred and that there is always opportunity for reform.
But at the end of the day we are defined by our ideas and the actions that back them.
If our ideas and actions undermine the greater good then its hard to argue that much is lost when the person that brings that ideology to life is themselves lost.
Let’s also not forget how giddy he was when Paul pelosi was nearly killed over his politics.
so does this mean that any maggot who says they feel for his family or friends or colleagues, are really just liberal cucks in disguise?
Sure enough. Probably on soros payroll too.
I remember every single time someone they didn’t like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk’s killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or… maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson… because Luigi is innocent.
Literally right-wingers 24/7 are praising political violence, calling for the eradication of all Palestinians, glorifying the gunning down or running over of protestors, praising the murder of homeless people, praising the execution of minorities by cops, constantly glorifying the suicide rate of trans people, etc. Literally you can go on Twitter and find any of these right-wing accounts crying about how we shouldn’t glorify violence and read their post history and you will likely not even have to go back more than 1 day to find them glorifying violence.
Honestly I wonder how much they’re going to steer that narrative, even if it was a conservative.
I just read somewhere that… well maybe this was an inside job? The reason being is that since Trump’s creepy as fuck birthday letter became public, he needed something big to distract and shut down discussion so he had Kirk shot?
Yeah I heard as much as well. I definitely wouldn’t be surprised and think Trump is 100 percent capable of such evil, but could just as easily be conspiracy.
definitely inside job. The dude who failed to shoot Trump was around 160 yards away. Whoever shot Kirk was around 150 - 200 yards away and he only needed 1 shot. Definitely pro stuff, maybe a hit order from within the gov.
200 yards isn’t that big of a deal for a half decent marksman. Thomas Crooks was a lousy shot but if it wasnt for Trump’s last second head movement he would have been shot through the head.
The rifle used to shoot Kirk was in .30-06 AND was a bolt-action Mauser style military rifle which has far superior ballistic qualities as a target rifle and round, meaning it is quite simple to bullseye someone’s head with a little practice and training at that distance.
Imagine they end up framing luigi for this too
The corrupt prosecution will probably insist that the shooting would not have happened if Luigi didn’t shoot Brian Thompson (he didn’t do that) even if the two murders are entirely unrelated.
I’ll respond the same way he would have.
Fuck him. ❤️
Spoiler
spoilers please
I think I figured it out. Thanks! I’m sorry.
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Maybe it wasn’t murder. Maybe it was just an accident. There were probably lots of guns on campus, after all open carry is legal on campus’ in UT, as I understand. Let’s not prejudge the guy, he deserved a fair trial.
The whole concept of having that fascist there and treating his appearance as some sort of festive event, on a university of all places, is just so bizarre to me. And then this “open carry campus” nonsense.
It sounds like UT is just a fascist breeding ground.
GOP heard they’d be getting tots and are trying to hide their disappointment that you meant the potato product.
dude it’s tots how are you sad? get me some franks red hot it’s happy time
these are actually useful though
I prefer thots to tots.
