• CaptDust@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    74·
    2 个月前

    Poor dude was new and just didn’t know what was going on, or even the atmosphere where they posted the question. Lmao I really need to migrate a piefed instance stat.

  • Commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    40·
    2 个月前

    Nobody asked for one, but I got a pretty good explanation for why this is what why this is happening.

    ML’s on lemmy are predominantly of the “deprogram” variety (in reference to the deprogram podcast and r/thedeprogram being quite large on reddit), and generally they’re a laughing stock given the narratives they parrot that are so de-attached from the material reality and their various mannerisms when it comes to arguing. One of the larger narratives is that the west and western imperialism is horrible (which is true), and that whoever is opposed to it must be a force for good or something, which manifests as uncritical support for China, Russia, Iran even though they’re both imperialist bourgeoisie states too.

    I see some people claim that they’re some paid Russian shills, which is wrong. They do it for free, with a genuine belief because that’s what their community says and does.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
      3·
      2 个月前

      Yes, I know some people like this irl, and they are definitely ideological.

      It’s true that most of us in the “West” are in a bubble and don’t realise just how bad the imperialism caused by our countrymen has been, and continues to be. Like, we fuck the rest of the world so hard, we just call it economics.

      I don’t have any answers on how to solve that, unfortch. I’m just a helpless citizen of the empire watching my surplus income go to inflicting starvation on children before they get shot in the stomach…

  • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
    33·
    2 个月前

    I was surprised they didn’t remove the thread

    But then I understood

    They ban everyone that accuses them of censoring, or being tankies, or speaking against china and russia, and they keep their tankies’ comments so people are convinced

    • hansolo@lemmy.todayEnglish
      5·
      2 个月前

      Yeah, I mean, I saw this post and was kind of wondering the same thing myself. But I didn’t comment because whoooo- what a lightning rod of a post. No thanks getting that shit on my shoes.

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    2 个月前

    That mod in those countries would be made to disappear for the pronouns in his name, then tortured until he admits to raping children.

      • CaptDust@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        15·
        2 个月前

        Without checking, no shot blahaj federates with those. Still a good edit note for instances that do though.

        • JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          8·
          2 个月前

          Found myself curious enough to check.

          As of this very moment, lemmygrad [dot] ml and hexbear [dot] net are showing on lemmy.blahaj.zone’s blocked instances list. Lemmy [dot] ml is not.

          Edit: typo and no tankie hyperlinks.

          • Chloé 🥕English
            11·
            2 个月前

            can confirm, hexbear and grad are inaccessible from here but .ml federates just fine

            (imo im fine with this, they have their issues obv but so does .world, and blocking either one cuts you off from a ton of communities and users)

            • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              3·
              2 个月前

              But, when enough people are cut from the fascist instances’ communities, then

              1. people are more motivated to found alternative communities elsewhere and
              2. the people admining the communities are more likely to move to some decent instance.
  • kepix@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    2 个月前

    you guys have no idea how much money goes towards the russian propaganda machine

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      9·
      2 个月前

      putin literally funds it, billions on this troll farms. plus he funds other right wing groups or media as well.

    • LustyArgonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 个月前

      Seriously, BRICS overall, with slave labor factored in (because most bots are slaves, not computers, NPR did a story on it), and all the illegal and illicit videos put/hosted online for blackmail, plus the crypto scams and romance scams, has to be in the trillions. It’s literally a new type of warfare more deadly than drones.

    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      2 个月前

      They understand that the US does bad things, but have a black-and-white worldview that brings them to the conclusion that anyone who opposes the US must be heroes. They don’t understand that both sides of a conflict can be shitty.

    • hakase@lemmy.zipEnglish
      58·
      2 个月前

      Russia and China, on the other hand? Entirely straightforward and transparent in their reporting. No disinformation campaigns there, no sir.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        8·
        2 个月前

        i think russia takes the #1 in the aggressive propaganda platforms out there, they devote significant resources to do it too. hence why you see the sudden rise of right wing governments all over the world, the porn bans, age verfication.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        2 个月前

        One of the lines I see repeated with every business cycle is “China is lying about their economic data”. Like, quarter after quarter, year after year, decade after decade.

        At some point, you have to engage in a bit of meta-criticism. Why do you believe an enemy nation-state is secretly failing when only the lay residents of the rival power seem to be aware of it? What is your crystal ball and how is it showing information that’s more reliable than the Goldman Sachs trading desk or the IMF analytics department?

        So much of the time it seems like Yeomni Park is the source for every American’s understanding of the outside world. And anyone who asserts a contrary view must be a shill, a bot, or a political extremist.

        • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
          13·
          2 个月前

          Contrary view isn’t purely praise and refused to accept the weakness of the country, which is the perspective you and the tankie definitely possessed. We’re just stating the obvious and calling a shill shill.

          I occasionally shit on china while also praise some of their aspect, i do it the same way for all the country.

        • KombatWombat@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          2 个月前

          I don’t think clickbait youtube videos are a fair measure of American media reporting on China. Youtube is largely random users shouting into the void. They’re going to frequently exaggerate or otherwise spread misinformation on any subject for attention or even simple ignorance. There’s little to suggest it’s controlled propaganda considering you’ll likely find much more conspiracy critical of the American government than China’s.

          Since you seem to have a view different than most people here, do you trust China’s reporting on itself more than that of reputable western media? If so, why?

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 个月前

            do you trust China’s reporting on itself more than that of reputable western media?

            I trust their reporting when it aligns with regional business news coverage and correlating economic data.

            I don’t casually dismiss it as propaganda any more than I would dismiss the BLS senior leadership in the states.

            There’s little to suggest it’s controlled propaganda considering you’ll likely find much more conspiracy critical of the American government than China’s.

            YouTube has a pattern of recommending right-leaning and Christian videos, even to users who haven’t previously interacted with that kind of content, according to a recent study of the platform’s suggestions to users.

          • Subdivide6857@midwest.socialEnglish
            2·
            2 个月前

            China’s working towards something nice while the EU and the US scream towards fascism. It’s the next stage of liberalism. It’s time to celebrate , you’ve made it to the end goal, again.

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
      54·
      2 个月前

      Did you notice that the US was not involved in this conversation at all until @Subdivide6857@midwest.social brought it up? That the US is in fact entirely irrelevant to this discussion of blatant censorship and partisanship on Lemmy.ml?

      This is a perfectly clear and obvious example of the whataboutism game that tankies love to play. This user should only be ridiculed for their transparent attempts at distraction and deflection. Otherwise, do not engage.

      • Subdivide6857@midwest.socialEnglish
        7·
        2 个月前

        You bet, bud. The US is the reason for the disinformation campaign. The US is always involved in the imperialist game. That’s not whataboutism. You have these feelings due to the US. It’s not even difficult to sift through the shit. You’re lazy.

        • MushuChupacabra@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          2 个月前

          You bet, bud. The US is the reason for the disinformation campaign.

          Spicy take! Let’s see the damning evidence, this’ll be tasty!

          The US is always involved in the imperialist game.

          Yes, that’s the spicy take, repeated.

          That’s not whataboutism. You have these feelings due to the US. It’s not even difficult to sift through the shit. You’re lazy.

          ???

          If you happen to be on a troll farm in Russia, you’re in grave danger of being sent to the front, if you can’t pull your propaganda game together.

          You are awful at this.

        • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
          22·
          2 个月前

          Watch the world-famous mental gymnast as they attempt to perform a complete mid-air double-backflip while walking the titerope of prescribed ideology!

          Wonder in amazement as they spiral ever downward into the pit of whataboutism!

          See them engage in direct ad hominem attacks!

          Laugh at their foibles as they recite CCP propaganda for your entertainment!

          • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
            9·
            2 个月前

            As not an american (there are quite a few of us) I find it extra funny with new layers of silly. Like I am somehow supposed to lose if america is mocked? Like if your not down with the CCP your waving a small american flag?

            Making the whataboutisum comment attacking the usa is great as well since it demonstrates a form of american exceptionalism that they think everyone also believes in. And if they want to refute that they will have to defend america…

            Gold.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      14·
      2 个月前

      more significant damage was done by russian disinformation/misinformation, through various media and people and grifters, get out of your high horse.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      2 个月前

      This is Russian Disinformation. And anything that suggests otherwise is also Russian Disinformation. And if you argue with me you’re a Russian Bot. And don’t even think about downvoting. You’ll only make me wave my American Flag harder while singing the national anthem louder.

  • MetalMachine@feddit.nlEnglish
    5·
    2 个月前

    I’ve noticed a lot of people seem to have the mentality “US bad, therefore the enemies China and Russia are good”

    Sure, the US is an imperial power that pushes others around. Doesn’t stop Russia and China from also doing bad things.

    Stop the high school drama thinking.

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      2 个月前

      They call it the happiest time of the year for a reason.

      Lots of people are forgiving on that date.