I actually like Linux, but I’m considering just blocking all the Linux communities because it’s so incredibly boring to just see you guys circle jerking all day long. We get it. We all get it.
My guy, you are on linuxmemes lmao
I came here hoping to see gnome and X11 memes. You know, actual Linux memes.
Instead I found “Windows bad” circlejerking.
Ubuntu bad?
Distros and package managers are bad. Reject modernity, embrace compiled source. Burn Lennart Pottering at the stake!
Go gentoo and get both!
Gentoo and Arch is for wanabees, the hardcore use Linux From Scratch as their distro.
These are the memes I come for
You need a book to tell you how to install Linux? I guess we were all a noob at one point.
I don’t think the bank will accept “I need to install Firefox” as the reason for a loan to pay my electricity bill.
Joking aside though, Gentoo was a great experience for me to learn how Linux actually works.
I never got it running, but I definitely learned some things. I need to try it again someday when I have a lot of free time and a spare laptop.
Can’t forget to bash snaps too!
Systemd also bad!
No, I’m on All, but a far higher percentage than most other content is just the same message in slightly different words on repeat, “Linux good, Binbows bad.”
But have you heard the latest hilarious thing? Windows… BAD! Hahaha! My goodness, I’m sure you never could have imagined. Also, I use Arch, in case you were wondering.
Binbows isn’t that bad, it’s Michaelsoft as a company we should worry about.
I like you.
No, I’m on All
Hi on All, i’m the post of tom joad
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They could use some memes making fun of our community instead of making fun of the rest.
Let’s be honest, Linux isn’t a viable option for a big portion of society. I love working in Linux but it’s not perfect for those that aren’t techsavy and need more than a browser.
Linux Mint is absolutely usable by most of the population. What it isn’t good at is business sector stuff because that entire sector is captured by Microsoft and its proprietary ecosystem. If interoperability was the focus, it wouldn’t be an issue. But capturing the population is the goal, so companies get these anti-user designs that lock you into their ecosystems. Maybe you need centralized development to achieve stuff like Azure and all its capabilities.
LibreOffice can take care of the business stuff. Or, Hell, just Google Docs.
Why do so many memes seem to be about windows then? 🤔
It’s kind of hard to tell since the Linux memes are in all the other communities as well.
Well that’s because Lemmy needs more users
They’re not gonna get any if we keep making all communities about hating Microsoft Windows and capitalism.
I mean just go ahead and block it, why make this rant at all, if you are seeing it on All its because of the amount of Linux users on Lemmy.
You’re talking to the deity of jokes himself. You think he’s out of touch? No, it is linuxmemes who are wrong
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
And whats the point? Should all Linux memes communities close so that you don’t see them in All? Should people stop making Linux memes at all? What are you achieving with your rant? You don’t like it. We get it. You and that 75% can block the community and move on.
I did. Go outside and breath for a bit, the weather is nice today.
Ah yes, this is literally the first time I visit Lemmy today after uni and the first post I see on All and that I interact with in more than a week but I am the one that has to go outside, not the person that apparently spends all day on Lemmy, so much so that is tired of seeing Linux memes on its feed. Have a nice day as well, and I truly mean it.
I don’t know your life story, I only know you got pretty riled up over nothing at all on the Internet, by a strangers comment. Usually a good sign you need to take a break and relax.
Bro stop the virtue signalling, you got triggered by memes.
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
My guy, you got ratio’d by the guy pointing out you were on c/linuxmemes.
Since you are the main character of Lemmy, which Stallman meme shall we post for the millionth time? Perhaps we shall post about how it’s stupid in 2023 to be using a macrokerenel architecture and that Linux is obsolete?
you’re absolutely not. i daily drive linux and find all these memes cringy too (came here from “all” too if anyone’s wondering)
Linux is the best OS for posting memes about Linux, cmv
Is TempleOS a joke to you?
No networking
As God intended.
Is it not?
We’re on linuxmemes.
Then why are there so many Windows memes? :^)
I’m browsing all.
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So like, you browse All, find communities minding their own business making little in-jokes, and pop in to say “hey assholes, I don’t appreciate you talking about all this stuff you like talking about! How about you shut up so I don’t have to skip past your posts when I’m deliberately skimming everything!”
Seems fair.
Yep, that’s what I said, verbatim.
i’m using tilt controls!
Shut the blast doors!
Block it then. Don’t waste your attention on posts that don’t bring you joy.
Nobody asked, nobody cares, just do it.
This feels like an appropriate time to let you know that I use arch, btw.
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Feel free to block any communities you please, I personally block them even if they’re fine because they fill up local/all feeds with content I do not understand/care about
Why we don’t have any server side memes yet, probably there is some non-windows meme material there.
“So regarding these security vulnerabilities… We see that RHEL 5 is no longer supported, so what is your plan to get support…” So basically you’re telling me you walked into a giant ravine without ever realising it for almost a decade and now you ask me if you could get some support to assemble your now tiny fragments back into working order?
Calm down MacOS hasn’t done shit to make it better. They decide what you do and don’t get, daddy apple already made the decision and you have to deal with it.
“We did the thinking for you, and you’ll like it.” Might as well be their slogan.
Yep. Same as Windows.
Windows is far more customizable by comparison. Still nothing next to Linux but trying to put them on the same field at least in an enterprise environment is ludicrous.
Stock, 1st party apps-only Windows 11? From what I have seen of it (which admittedly is not much, I won’t install it on my machines), it looks very limited in UI customization.
7 downvotes but I don’t get where you’re wrong. Maybe the fact that Windows 11 requires TPM and some other security features? But the rest of the OS pretty much went down in terms of quality.
It doesn’t strictly require TPM in the sense that you can make a modded install disk that does away with the TPM check altogether. People are able to install windows on all sorts of devices now.
Microsoft may have pushed hard on wanting you to have TPM, but it’s more because they didn’t want to deal with the plethora of bugs that come about as a result of inferior hardware.
Windows is still my OS of choice as any misgivings like ads etc can be disabled with a few steps . Is it annoying? Sure, but unlike Macs, I’m able to do something about it when I find something annoying instead of hoping the next OS update deals with it.
Fair enough, also I meant TPM and security as a good thing if that wasn’t clear (you might’ve known that tho, i suck at reading tone via text.)
Not a real requirement, it’s a fake requirement they ask for on Install, windows runs without it just fine.
When I got a macbook from work I was honestly choked at how awful things were.
Even the simplest of tasks required googling. It was so very unintuitive.
I mean, I had to do some weird dragging to install an application!?
Even to this day, I totally avoid using it.
I mean, I had to do some weird dragging to install an application!?
Ah yes, the notoriously unintuitive feature known as… drag and drop.
Err, why couldn’t they do the double click like everything else?
Double click and then do a drag and drop, totally intuitive.
That’s… exactly what you do. macOS software is usually distributed in DMG files (compressed disk images). You download the DMG, open it (with a double click in Finder), then drag and drop the APP file to your Applications folder (or wherever else you want it to be).
Speaking of APP files, the structure of macOS apps is vastly superior to that of Windows, imo. Linux generally has them both beat, but there’s some additional complexity there.
I have to agree with the other person actually. The drag and drop thing is kind of weird. They ought to just automate it.
Other than that I think Mac is fairly easy to use, and more customizable than people realize.
I do wish they had better window management though. GNOME and Windows both make window snapping so much easier than Mac. And the support for third party hardware on Mac is pretty bad.
The drag and drop thing is because it’s an app file. “Installation” is just putting the file in your application folder, or wherever you want it. Apps are (usually) just files, unlike on windows, so you don’t need to go through a complicated installation process, just put them where you want them (usually the applications folder).
The window snapping thing is annoying (but it’s not apple’s fault, Microsoft has a patent on it lol). There’s a bunch of free apps that add window snapping though 🤷♀️
An aside, You can make KDE feel like that, but youd know every hairbrain behavor because you did it yourself.
People who have ever only used one operating system, and tried to apply everything how they use that exactly to a different one are awful. Yeah, different OSs are different, that’s the point of it. That you don’t do everything exactly how you are used on it, doesn’t make the OS bad, you just need some time to get accustomed to some things being different.
The people here are the most biased possible.
Mac still locks up with frozen applications. I hate it
Yeah, MacOS has way more bugs than Windows 10. It’s kind of hard to believe that it has been this bad for the past several years. They keep pushing features, but they need a 1-2 year pause on features to fix the existing features they have.
I agree and it’s very weird to say that. The appeal of Mac when I was a kid was that it didn’t have issues and I got blue screens on windows XP very often.
Now it seems the opposite. I’ve had my Mac entirely lock up because an application froze twice this month, but the last blue screen I had in windows was because I over clocked my RAM. I don’t think I’ve had an issue other than that since Windows 7 released.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Have never had an app freeze my Mac but my windows computer freezes up at least once a week. Using both for work so similar loads but I guess it’s possible some of my work software is dodgy on the windows. Still probably shouldn’t lock up like that so frequently.
I must be lucky with windows then.
It’s kind of ridiculous that either one can lock up due to a bad application though. Feels like lately it’s been almost as bad as the XP and beach ball of death days.
I guess it’s just really hard to make an operating system. My work Mac also isn’t completely devoid of its own issues. Sometimes moving the mouse can be a bit laggy which is frustrating because I also have a personal Mac that’s not laggy, so again probably the work software.
Absolutely agree it’s ridiculous that modern hardware still sometimes chugs when it’s thousands of times more powerful than what we had back in the day.
Honestly if they bought Apple products they clearly signed up to let Apple do the thinking for them.
It’s 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don’t have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don’t have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
Damn tell that to literally every single Linux WM lol
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That’s, for example, how VLC can use patented codecs. France doesn’t allow for software patents, meaning that as VLC is produced it France, they can use all the codecs they want…
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Patents, copyright and trademark do nothing but make rich people richer and stifle innovation.
They encourage creation. Trademarks are different. In order to do so properly, they should be far more limited.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
Right now patents are issued for trivial IT “inventions” which stifle competing products.
Trademarks are fine. They are intended to protect you from misleading products. They let Apple sue people that sell stuff which might mislead you into thinking it’s an apple product.
Of course trademarks are also abused, for example Apple uses trademarks to prevent recycling iPhone parts. That couple be fixed.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
You can’t even reprint 60-year-old stories.
Lemme get this straight. Microsoft successfully got a patent for a feature that KDE had before Windows did?
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac’s way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can’t compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It’s just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I’m tilling windows I’m generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
I’m not even sure full screen tiling can be called tiling at all.
I mean, I’m never gonna tile my kitchen floor with one GIANT tile.
Technically that’s still tiling, but it completely misses the point lol
Lol you tile your desktop as much as your kitchen floor? I only tend to need to have three things up at most so Mac optimizes my screen space the best since I have 2 monitors, but I’m not on on the multitasking level of many people here it seems
*I think mac os started supporting tiling of non full screen windows as well according to some other comments so maybe kitchen style would work now
They’ve had it for a while
Bro they don’t even have touchscreen support
I was missing the KDE style drag/resize windows with modifier keys, then I found https://penc.app that kinda fills that void
it also does snapping and auto 50% with trackpad gesture
The first thing I do with a new Mac is install Better Touch Tool UI. It’s mandatory software for Mac as far as I’m concerned.
Rectangle Pro for me, 100%. I bought the paid version too as I loved it.
I like my windows organized and macOS has this penchant for chaos. Windoze at least has FancyZones in PowerToys which is chef’s kiss perfectly done, and I can’t live without it.
I haven’t heard of those programs, but BetterTouchTool also adds window snapping and tiling, and let’s you create custom keybinds and macros, so you can do completely unheard of stuff like use a normal mouse (gasp!). It sounds like your programs are just different variants of the same thing. Right?
MacOS, or the joy of paying extra for shit that should be included OOTB, especially in an OS that every user profusely advertises as “just works”, “intuitive”, etc
BS
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I’m going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Don’t get me started on encountering a ‘feature’ by accident, I’m looking at you hot corners 🤮
Everything wrong with that lol, also that’s just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I’m going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.
I don’t agree with the Mac one.
The Mac UI is basically windows 3.1.
It’s absolutely awful.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
It’s so fucking bad.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
The almost exact same thing happened to a friend of mine using Windows 11. The machine booted, but he was unable to log in.
Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
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Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
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Thanks
Please tell me you had backups
I did for the most important stuff, but redownloading my game library was not fun.
Your wife’s experience sucks, but having done IT for sizable orgs in the past, my experience was that OS X and Apple’s hardware usually needed less coddling than the various Windows machines. Although they did have some lemon OS releases here and there, and those fucking keyboards from several years back were the devil.
Any OS is going to have anecdotal horror stories. If you want to get a real read on reliability you really need more than a sample size of 1. You need scale.
You need scale
Can’t scale. Hard drive full.
I was supporting MacOS and Windows systems in an extremely vertical stability situation and I honestly never had to touch the Windows machines that were cobbled together parts computers. All the Mac’s were a constant house of cards waiting to topple. Coming drives constantly for last minute hail Mary solutions, crashing issues that could never be explained without any explanation or hint to what the issues were. Sending systems back and forth for repair. Fuck it, avoid MacOS at all costs
I’ll take my experience out of the picture. If you google Mac and PC enterprise costs, or total cost of ownership, you can find a ton of enterprise studies on this.
Usually the big problem with MacOS is whether it supports the damn software the organization / department needs. And by support, I mean native, not through a janky emulator.
TCO, has been compelling for decades. Folks often report longer lasting workstations, fewer tickets, and less malware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All I see is sources that say Windows is less problematic and less expensive long and short term. I found one source that says otherwise called JAMF and that actually turned out to be, well, as they put it “Helping organizations manage and secure an Apple experience that end users love and organizations trust.” So I’m gonna have to omit this guy for bias
What does it even mean “more dependable”? And the “ease of use” apparently comes at the cost of user control and privacy, the old “walled garden.”
Yeah, the “ease of use” one is complete bullshit. It’s “easy to use” if you’re accustomed to their “walled garden” model and don’t mind everything being automated so as to deepen your dependency on their larger ecosystem.
It’s all bullshit.
Well to begin with, it only has one control panel instead of like 3
Honestly, whyd they never think to use a seprate home partition or setup quotas or fix hdd expectations to prevent errors bricking the desktop.
That’s insane lol, how did they even let an issue lile that slip by… is it just a bug with one version of MacOS or something?
Also to fix it, maybe you could reinstall MacOS? I installed MacOS on a computer I built for a friend years ago, it was a “hackintosh.” If you can install it on all non approved hardware surely it’s possible with an actual Macbook. Just because they’re so absurdly expensive it would be a shame for it to be gone for good. Which is another issue with Apple’s x86 products, you’re paying what like $1500 or more for about $350 of hardware which half the time thermal throttles anyway because they make it thin at the expense of cooling.
Yeah, the issue is, the laptop is full of photos. She took it to Apple after I failed to figure it out. They said they can wipe it but not recover the photos.
It’s just a crap system.
Ahh I see, yeah that’s a tricky situation. Maybe one of these solutions could work? the first paragraph or so says that if you can turn the Mac on, even if you cant do anything, recovering the data might not be as hard
$350 in hardware sure, hardware that someone had to design and especially nowadays with Apple Silicon, that shit doesn’t come cheap
Yeah I guess Apple have there own x86 chips now? Regardless I would rather have a normal computer with an AMD or Intel chip and pay a normal price. I’m sure those CPUs would be better for my purposes anyway
They use ARM now, which is super efficient, the laptops last forever on battery.
If there’s one thing Apple’s done right, it’s Apple Silicon
Huh I haven’t really kept up with consumer tech for the last few years, that’s interesting. Didn’t they have software issues with instruction sets being different? Or does MacOS being Unix based help with that or something. I do know their mobile processors have been competitive especially in single core performance for a while so I’m sure their desktop ones are good.
But, either way they products were still 3x the price of comparable products even when they had crappy x86 Intel CPUs lol. I’m still not very convinced they’re not overpriced sorry to say
They’ve built a translation layer in for compatibility, though it’s not perfectly fast, it’s more than good enough from what I’ve heard.
It being Unix based definitely helps, though don’t doubt Apple wouldn’t have been able to deal with it if that weren’t the case.
The chips really shine in laptops, I’d say desktops are a bit weaker, unless you’re doing something heavily optimized (Final Cut Pro f.e.).
The biggest win is energy consumption, the difference is insane, I recommend you look up a benchmark or two, can range from 2 to 10x more efficient.
I honestly don’t agree though that they’re 3x the price of comparable products, the new Macbook Airs are pretty solid pieces of hardware for an okay sum of money. It really depends on your workload though, if you’re gaming, you’re gonna have a terrible time, if you’re a dev / work in the browser / do some light editing you’re gonna love the battery life and perf’s not gonna hold you back.
Yeah that’s definitely quite interesting, it’s pretty similar to what Microsoft was trying to do with putting Windows on phones I the Early 2010s. I think only really Sony ever adopted it for their phones and they never sold well, but I thought it was interesting at the time.
There’s a decent amount of ARM laptops that are running Windows so maybe that it where the laptop market is heading, it makes sense because the big.LITTLE cores ARM SOCs use are specifically designed to use as little power of course. A Chromebook I had a while ago had a (iirc) Tegra K1 ARM and that had great battery life even for a Chromebook.
As far as pricing on Apple products goes I don’t think you will ever convince me they’re good value for money :P. Sure 3x the price of comparable products is am exaggeration, I would say it’s more like 1.5 or 1.75x the price normally. I mean saying it’s “good for web browsing” essentially just means it doesn’t have good components but these things are priced in the range of what like $1000 right, you could get a nice chromebook that also has an ARM CPU and is good for web browsing as half the price. I’m sure MacOS on ARM is a more useful OS than ChromeOS in terms of the software you can use on it, but for most users that probably isn’t even important.
I think there’s a reason Apple has the largest cash reserves and of any company and the highest market cap (not sure if that’s the case ATM) but they move less products than companies like Samsung, it’s because they have fat profit margins. I’m not saying their products are bad, they’re mostly great and some of their products are genuinely disruptive. I just think they aren’t good value you know. Which is fine, they aren’t really meant to be I don’t think.
It’s also become less and less stable over the years
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MOAR TITLE BARS
Hey MacOS, you know these days most people are using wide or ultra wide screen monitors and have more space at th–
😡MOAR 😡TITLE 😡BARS 😡
I want NeXTSTEP-style menus back. Much better for big screens than title bars.
The title bar is so annoying with a vertical monitor. Oh you’re using the bottom window? All your application menus are literally a foot away.
GUI? Yes.
UNIX command line? Six of one half dozen of the other versus Linux in my experience.
But yeah. I love i3wm and it’s a real bummer that you can’t do something like that with macos. I use yabai, which is nice, but i3 it ain’t.
Yes easier to use, it’s already there
jk
Lol Apple absolutely does not do that… They just add extra crap nobody wants.
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Windows: Clean boot no bullshit software, nothing running: 4GB RAM allocated.
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Nothing’s really stopping you from revisiting Glorious XP (maybe a compatible computer, but if you have an old one you could always fire it up for some good nostalgia).
Is that all processes or is that kernal reserved RAM? (which could be for cached writes, open file cache, etc…)
This feature I especially hate.
Meanwhile yesterday I fucked up my linux installation trying to find alternatives on how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it :/
I’ll be trying again when I am not lazy to reinstall it again.
Click “Activities” in the upper right and search for “tweaks”, click the “Tweaks” icon. Select “Keyboard & Mouse” and turn “Middle Click Paste” to “off”.
For Gnome ^ but I’m at work and can’t confirm.
Damn, someone who actually gives GUI instructions and doesn’t yell at the person? Keep it up. The Linux community needs people like you.
As far as I remember I tried that but it didn’t seem to work and some xdotool script that disabled the wheel click entirely. Then I installed kde, tried a few more things there, and then I tried to go back to gnome but… …
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Just make a Ventoy USB. Why people still bother flashing disk images to thumb drives is beyond me.
Ventoy is awesome, +1
It’s still needed for some things. I tried to install a Universal Blue based distro with Ventoy and kept getting errors, once I flashed a drive it installed perfectly normally. It’s definitely an edge case though.
And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
I guess that’s because it was a community continuation of red hat linux (not the enterprise one)
And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
Fedora Linux was thing before fedoras became the meme we know. Also, I would imagine some of the original Fedora Linux guys really did wear fedoras.
It is made by Red Hat, and they went with the hat theme. I used a few distributions, and RedHat was one of the worst. I don’t know why it’s popular.
how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it
This is the #1 feature I miss wherever I’m forced to use a non-Linux system.
I fucked up my Linux installation yesterday by doing apt upgrade.
Same! dnf upgrade tho for me.
Really? What happened exactly? Hang on. Are you using an Nvidia card? The Nvidia drivers can be finicky sometimes, especially if you have CUDA installed.
I’m pretty sure it was caused by some nvidia driver. It just cut the upgrade process halfway through and in turn damaged nearly everything. Not exactly sure what happened. Either way, my system got so broken I figured it’s easiest to just wipe everything and start from scratch.
I bet there was a relatively quick way to recover it. One thing that’s amazing about Linux is that it’s not locked up like Windows or a Mac.
I’ve practically destroyed systems (entirely my fault) but was still able to fix it.
I even mucked around on a laptop with a LUKS encrypted drive to add a dual boot with another Linux distro. I ended up destroying grub completely. I was back up with both distros working and without a single file lost in 30 minutes.
Maybe. I did some attempts to recover it, like reinstalling all broken packages. But everything I did seemed to break it even more. Any “simple” fix at my skill level would probably take weeks for me to find. So I gave up, backed up all essentials, and then wiped everything. Back up and running much quicker.
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I would’ve done it if it was me who created the installation. Did it for the reinstall.
Next time try NixOS or use BTRFS snapshots.
Man, this is the kind of “Linux” meme I wanted to get away from when moving away from Reddit.
Can we please instead make memes that don’t just boil down to “Windows bad”?
Man, this is the kind of “Reddit” comment I wanted to get away from when moving away from Reddit.
Can we please instead make comments that don’t just boil down to “Reddit bad”?
Actually, you’re right. Scratch Reddit. Every single Linux meme community I’ve seen on the internet so far eventually boils down to repetitive “Windows bad” memes.
I was joking, but you are of course right.
It’s one of the reasons why people like me are put off using linux, especially when you have to ask those same smug linux users for advice when your first install hits a snag or you have an issue installing drivers.
It’s very human behaviour, it’s nice to feel special because you’re part of an in-group which you deem superior, but yeah.
smug linux users
That might have been me 20 years ago, but these days I don’t give a fuck what you use. If Linux is your thing and you have the passion, you’ll gravitate towards it yourself just like I did. I don’t need to push anyone into the cult. We aren’t all like that.
The cultish people are most likely still in the honeymoon phase. The veterans know how annoying and sometimes rough the OS is, and acknowledge it, but stick with it anyway.
And yet… this meme popped up in my feed despite not being subscribed to linuxmemes. So there are still plenty of snobs.
It’s normal human behaviour. From vegans, iphone users, xbox gamers, ford owners, owners of automatic watches being snobs about quartz watches, …
Still annoying and unwelcoming for outsiders though.
Then don’t comment on them ffs
And here now I was hoping to avoid comments that smugly borrow verbiage from the OP as though that automatically makes it a sarcastic grand slam 😊😊😊
How deep can we go?
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Yeah, but the linuxmemes community on Reddit is horrible in this regard.
Windows bad is 90% of linux memes.
The other 10% is shitting on gnome or something.
Perfectly balanced
market share bad
Why sub to a meme community if you don’t want memes…there are a bunch of great serious Linux communities on Lemmy too.
I’m on kbin’s all page and getting 3 linuxmeme posts. I’d have to actually block the community to see less of it.
I’m not doing that because it doesn’t actually bother me that much, just pointing out being subbed isn’t remotely a requirement.
I’m not saying I don’t want memes at all.
I want others to post what I want and I am going to complain if they don’t. Everybody get out there and get me the content I want to see!
I don’t how correct am I, but I’ve noticed that a lot of meme communities on Lemmy have very radical heavily opinionated users.
The other day I commented on a meme saying that schools should include education related to real life formal work. For some reason I got downvoted for saying that. A lot of the comments were antigovernment and things like government wants to keep tax system complex so they can take advantage of people through fines.
That is just disappointing to be honest that they removed about not learning irl formal work, but don’t want schools to teach them at the same time. I just don’t understand.
I think it’s more that there needs to be more people posting. Of course 1 person is going to seem radicalized when they’re the only one posting topics they care about.
Like all 3 of the linuxmeme posts that just popped up - they’re all from the same user, so of course they’re all memes that interest that user.
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If you install windows and set the language to be english (world), there will be no preinstalled BS apps like tiktok.
Of course most people wont do that
That’s so long as your install source/disk is multi regional. Most Windows install images are for a specific region unless you’re lucky to have MSDN or bought a non-crappy OEM Windows disk.
A disk? What year is this?
Please insert floppy disk #249 and press enter. _
Wait, what are you talking about? Windows doesn’t pre-install TikTok. Are you talking about OEM versions? Those come with a bunch of bloatware because they get paid by the companies to add their software to the install. If you get a copy of windows that’s not attached to a pre-built computer, then it shouldn’t have any bloatware. Granted, I haven’t installed Windows 11, and don’t plan to, so my knowledge could be dated.
The only one that doesn’t have bloatware for money is MacOS. If Microsoft cared they would ban that.
Before anyone says Linux doesn’t have paid bloatware for money, Ubuntu had Amazon baked into for money. Additionally, many distros use Firefox that Google’s pays to have Google be the default search engine.
If you install windows 11 from a fresh usb right now, you’ll find TikTok, Prime Video, Candy Crush, etc. in the start menu. They’re technically not installed, more like “click to install”. Iirc, windows 10 was more or less the same, but a bit less.
I installed w11 today,there was no candy crush or tiktok or whatever. I had office,spotify,whatsapp,sudoku Legit download from the microsoft website…
I suppose it could differ by region. Spotify, WhatsApp, and sudoku are definitely paid placements
I tried Windows 11 on an old laptop I had. Experience:
“Why the hell is TikTok installed?”
Clicks icon
“Installing TikTok”
“No, you retard!”How about not using slurs?
i thought linux users would be smart enough to know what ads are and their first thought would be to right-click and choose “remove”, instead of opening it
guess i overestimated them a little
So Windows users are so used to ads on their desktops that they feel smug when someone doesn’t recognize them. Weird flex, but okay.
Imagine being so used to ads that you make fun of people who aren’t.
Pretty sad actually.
I’m used to ads because i actually go outside and see the light of day.
The fact that you are used to ads EVEN THOUGH you go outside is even more sad. I live in the city and even i don’t regularly see ads. Only on like bus stops and such
For whatever reasony work tools on Linux aren’t working right now, so I am using win10 for the moment.
The start menu is a fucking nightmare. I don’t care about what’s on the internet when I am looking for my software. This isn’t a mobile phone.
What’s even worse is that I know what the name of my software is. But half the time, when I use the start menu, the web results and ads load first and it takes a while to show my software, if it ever shows up at all.
I highly recommend Powertoys Run (powered by Wox) with the Everything plugin. It brings a Spotlight-like search with lightning fast search and many features like calculator, running commands and others. I almost never use the start menu nowadays. And all of this is available through Chocolatey.
Also there’s plenty other nifty tools you get as a part of Powertoys (I couldn’t live without Fancy Zones).
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-set-up-microsofts-new-spotlight-esque-powertoy-i-1843566673
I love Everything. Cannot recommend it enough.
I will look into that. I installed chocolatey and I really appreciate a package manager in windows. Gives me a bit of familarity
Install Classic Shell. It lets you change the windows UI to go back to the old Windows 7 UI (or earlier.)
Let’s not live in the past. Just disable internet searching from the start menu.
I agree, it shouldn’t have been built in and on by default and it should be easier to disable.
Personally I think Win10 start was peak Windows start because it was the most customizable.
Maybe it’s just my age, but I use File Explorer to find things on my PC.
But Windows loves to not show you things, and the main folder(C:) just seems to get worse and more cluttered with folders with a name like: 4783DDBMJUD84WWIOT.
Well, the thing is that the start menu used to be useful. So the habit is there. Even in Linux, this is the same.
But now in windows, it’s a pile of crap riddled with ads.
Even when Win95 came out, I was so used to 3.1 navigation and the MSDOS prompt, the Start menu just never had any appeal to me.
Hell, I even right-click to shut down or restart.
I started using computers at windows 95, so to me the start menu was always there.
Agiant most of these comments.
Mac actually does have one major similarity to Linux (beside it being posix)
spoiler
The UX sucks just as much as GNOME 4x
xfce for life lol
I don’t like start menus, I much prefer the UX of Gnome
The main two things I like about start menus is that it keeps all your apps out of the way, and in some resemblence of organizatoin, instead of just barfing them all out in one big cluttered mess, which is part of what turns me away from Apple, or Gnome. However, they’re not as easy to use on touchscreens. That said, ads deeply nerf this advantage.
I use search for any given app (start menu or not) so it’s all a cluttered mess as it filters down but the larger icon makes finding things faster
I do have a folder for OS utilities though because outside of terminal I don’t use them enough to know them
PC gamers have modded every game that has been released, whether legal or not. I can’t believe there is no “remove ads from start bar” mod available yet.
Edit: To all those who downvoted me for my comment, you were right to do so. I downloaded the program and it was truly a genuinely free program with no advertising or anything. While I still am not a fan of O&O for other reasons, in this case you were all right.
I’m sorry.
It’s literally a completely free app. They made it easy for less tech-savvy people to debloat windows. Again, for free. Is it so wrong that they mention they take donations on a small portion of the bottom of their webpage? The fuck you complaining for?
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“Hey man, I gave you that for free. No you don’t need to pay me for it, but while you’re here check out my assortment of completely useless apps that will 100% make your computer super fast”
Except that didn’t happen… they don’t advertise the rest of the website or products anywhere on that page or the program itself. They never even mention that they make other apps.
Microsoft pr team putting in work here
Prey on them by giving them free software that literally never asks for anything, and allows them control over areas of their computer that they wouldn’t normally understand? Okay then!
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I think you misunderstood the quote. There’s no cost, it’s free, but they’re flattered that people think it should cost money.
I just saw your edit. That’s cool, man. I’m glad you checked it out.
I have recently been using BloatyNosy at my IT job when setting up new Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a lightweight little Windows 11 debloater. It’s just a simple UI with checkboxes to modify and run a powershell script. Just in case anyone is looking for a FOSS alternative. The link that you posted looks similar, but it doesn’t appear to be open source.
Yeah it’s the same thing, it just runs registry entry scripts based off toggle switches. I guess it’s not FOSS, but it is freeware. I’ve had a good experience with it so far. The toggle switches are nice because it gives you a handy visual reference of how much Windows overwrites your settings to turn all that shit back on during meaningless updates. I’m convinced that some of their updates don’t do anything except turn all their tracking back on and push an ad of sorts in your face.
I read about “how much Crap there is in windows” and thought linux should be much smoother to run on my laptop. But it turns out to be the opposite. Firefox for windows works much better than Firefox for linux. For me windows just works. Linux even without telemetry struggles to perform as good as windows.
Which distro are you using? That doesn’t sound very normal
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Not normal at all. Linux on the same hardware makes Windows feel a decade older.
Latest fedora workstation, amd gpu, on 8 year old dell laptop. Although I have used many other distros too.
Hmm, I’m not sure then, there must be something more to this.
Within the distros you tried have you used Puppy as well? Just for the sake of seeing a very low requirements system running and checking how that performs
- running on a certified windows laptop.
Also, prob. some graphic issue or no compositor installed.
For me Firefox on linux without a compositor ist the best. Doesn’t feel so sluggish.
Linux even without telemetry struggles to perform as good as windows.
This is not normal. Even Xubuntu (with snaps and all) brought back a Core Duo (not a Core 2 Duo), which is EOL as of 13 or so years ago now.
Windows 10 was barfing all over itself and the mouse would take a good 20 seconds to make it across the screen. With Linux you wouldn’t be able to tell the system was older than a couple years. Sure, programs took a bit extra to load, but once they did it was really smooth. I knew it would be better, but it worked fantastically.
The person using that system has been using it since the beginning of the pandemic to work remotely. I keep asking once in a while to see how it’s going and each time they say it’s working great. No errors, no issues, no slowdowns, just does its job.
Sounds like you picked the wrong distro!
I’ve put Linux on a few computers over summer. Actually, I put Debian on a few computers, but I tried a few different desktop environments. Debian internally works fine for my needs, and IMO it’s kinda a “low drama” OS. So on my 4-year-old laptop and 7-year-old gaming PC, I used KDE Plasma, and on my 15-year-old PC I used LXQT, which is considered lightweight, after trying a number of options. The laptop has NVidia graphics and the 15-year-old PC has some janky GeForce integrated graphics, so I have gotten stuff to work with NVidia. Debian in particular has a really straightforward guide on the wiki on how to install graphics drivers.
I use Librewolf (Firefox derivative) on most of my Linux PCs, but Firefox ESR (extended support release, bundled with Debian by default) performed fine on the two newer computers. It’s a bit sluggish on the older one, but fit for purpose.
I really think you should give it another try. Debian has live installs preconfigured with all the different desktop environments. That’s how I picked Debian with KDE Plasma: I tried it out for three days and I decided i needed to have it.
There are probably compelling reasons to go with a distro other than Debian, but IMO Debian works great for me almost 100% of the time for a few different use cases. It’s probably not the best OS for everyone, but I do think it’s “pretty good” for most people. It’ll get the job done.
But more importantly, there’s a Linux distro for every niche. There are lots of lightweight distros with old PCs in mind that are much faster than even old versions of Windows. If your computer somehow can’t deal with a desktop environment, a window manager like Fluxbox will work great.
Well it may not be cpu performance that firefox struggles with on linux. There is a Touchpad Scrolling Bug for firefox on wayland, that neither GTK nor firefox want to fix (if I remember correctly). There are some more things like that, that suggest Firefox team focuses more on Firefox for windows than Firefox for linux.
Which distro?
I was also disappointed with how slow Firefox was on Linux compared to Windows.
I got Firefox back to smooth on Linux by installing Liquorix kernel and switching from x11 to wayland
TouchPad scrolling on Firefox with Wayland do not work, i have tried many suggested solutions.
works 4 me
