Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers
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I’m leaving this up.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
I decided I’d rather die than vote for genocide.
Looks like I’ll get my wish. I’m fine with that.
You say as the genocide in Gaza is being aided and abetted by Trump in a way it would never have been even by the Democrats.
You guys are so happy to throw Palestinians under the bus for your black and white worldview
Democrats wouldn’t be speaking out against Israel under Harris. They’d be goose-stepping along with the administration no matter how many children Israel killed because the genocide was bipartisan before Trump.
Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.
“two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward”
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”
“we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.””
““It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve,” said Harris.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
The two State solution has always been a canard deployed by genocidiers to delay peace and prolong conflict. Israel doesn’t get to have an apartheid ethnostate on stolen land, even if Palestinians get a bantustan or two.
There is only a one state solution: a multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy from the river to the sea.
A multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy would be a bloodbath. The Israelis simply will not allow it.
See the results of the various illegal settlements:
“United Nations estimates indicate that Jewish settlers have carried out around 2,000 attacks against Palestinians since the war in Gaza began. That number represents a dramatic surge compared with any previous period during the nearly six decades Israel has controlled the West Bank.”
It would be great if everyone could live together in peace and harmony, we can’t. We are hard-wired to see things in “us” vs. “them”.
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That’s on ISRAEL, not Biden or the Democrats.
Democrats were fully willing to help Israel annex Gaza and ethnically cleanse the strip, despite the rhetoric. They’d have done it a different way (maybe) but the end result is the same.
But with Trump, those same Democrats have been forced to come out against it! Partisanship is making long-time Israel supporters rethink their support for the genocide, and now they’re speaking up.
But don’t be fooled - this is only partisanship. The genocide was bipartisan before Trump, but he has a way of actually sharpening the contradictions and forcing liberals to stand for something.
I’ll still vote for Democrats that come out against the genocide, but that’s my red line.
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You’re brainwashed.
WTF are you talking about, “brainwashed?” You’re literally proving his point. The slope of the line was decreasing before the election, and then started increasing after.
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Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.
“two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward”
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”
“we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.””
““It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve,” said Harris.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Actions are louder than words. Biden provided weapons, and coordinated the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. So did Trump. There is no meaningful difference in their policies.
Biden did NOT coordinate the genocide, that was done entirely by Israel.
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What ISRAEL has done, not Biden.
All that did was enable more genocide. Congratulations, all the shit ICE is doing is your fault.
Dude, didn’t you see their instance? They’re a tankie. They were never ‘refusing to vote for genocide’. They were always holding their vote in the hope that the evil US would destroy itself so Generous China and Glorious Mother Russia could take their place as the true and noble world leaders.
Just ignore them.
The genocide is bipartisan.
Also… do you think you’re innocent? That you’re absolved of this country’s crimes?
Do you think that all you need to do is vote for a Democrat and you can wash your hands?
Being suicidal doesn’t entitle you to take the rest us down with you! You’ve clutched your pearls so hard that you’ve managed to bloody your hands anyway.
Quit being unethical in the name of ethics.
Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
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As did you by sitting back and letting it happen.
Have the day you voted for.
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Yet you dumbasses act like anyone voting for Harris was causing supporting and participating in what is happening between Israel and Palestine.
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You can’t call yourself a “leftist” and vote for a conservative neo-liberal for president. There’s no two ways about it. Saying otherwise is just a conservatives way of stroking their own ego. By undermining the leftist vote, you have condoned neo-fascism to stroke your own ego. At least neo-liberals now get to enjoy the fruits of their labor for creating this situation. Tell me, how does your own self-righteousnous taste?
-see, i can do it too.
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I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck…
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
“The whole sale extermination of an entire race” is a little worse than “a punch in the mouth”.
Phew. Good thing Trump won and the genocide ended.
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Whataboutism
How is it whataboutism? It’s literally happening. It’s reality.
What exactly do you think whataboutism means?
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You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
Brain-dead take.
Choosing genocide over winning the election was the braindead take.
About par for the course on ml.
You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.
And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.
Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
(Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles
You mean like… now?
Yes, now’s a much better time than in November of an election year.
And yet Democrats are still just as viciously opposed to it.
Kamala will never beat Trump no matter how much you want to cry about it. You need an actual opposition party, neoliberalism is dead.
An actual opposition party to the left of the neoliberals siphons votes from the neoliberals to make it easier for the real fascists.
Changing to a better election system has to happen on a state level first because states are the ones who can choose if they have an FPTP system (yay 2 party system) or a proportional system. Even IF you managed to elect a bona-fide socialist as president, it’s not gonna affect shit because that’s not even the president’s jurisdiction. Or congress. It’s state level.
I’m really not interested in the moral opinions of people who describe “opposing your government doing a Holocaust” as “single-issue voters”
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles,
Seems like you think the time between election cycles is when you should be tearing into the left.
Now there’s two holocausts. Everyone with a brain knew it was only going to get worse under Trump compared to Biden or Harris, and now they’re talking about alligators getting 65 million meals. Tell me how is two genocides better than once? How come not a single “true leftist” such as yourself acknowledges Trump being a genocidal maniac, only Harris?
Edit: Lol one of the deleted replies to my controversial comments on this post specifically said they were “watching the US burn itself from Mexico with happiness” or something of the sort. The second genocide I mentioned is literally latinos, many of them Mexican. The fuck kinda sicko do you have to be to not JUST enjoy innocent people being rounded up, but specifically rooting for the guy doing it based on said people having a similar heritage to yours?
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Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
“Kamala will never beat Trump”
Yeah no shit because Democrats don’t run again after being beaten, and literally nobody is calling for her to run again. Why do you keep saying this stupid shit, like we’re all a bunch of Kamala fanboys and you’ve got some gotcha?
Its not a gotcha, she was never going to beat Trump ever. And they still ran her. Think about that.
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
I can’t vote in the states
Then what the hell makes you think we should give a shit about your stupid-assed opinion? STFU and worry about your own country.
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Alright alright cowboy 🤠 just when the fascism hits hard don’t come cry for help tho. And please don’t comment on others people countries ever, nobody gives a shit about your stupid-asses questions. Just STFU and enjoy your brand new ✨recession✨
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You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Uff, how the fuck do not see that the united states always has been a fascist country? Now it’s just idiot-fascist and it will kill itself thank god.
And also single issue? Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria (recently) and many more… does it look single to you? This is a global aggressive superpower committing worldwide atrocities.
…committing worldwide atrocities for profit.
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Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:
God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Genociders deserve death.
Here’s their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos
Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.
This is because I’m angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.
Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
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You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?
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I’m starting to believe there are many zionist here posting as liberals just to not be covered by insults.
Bluemaga liberals are Zionists, ultimately
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My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.
You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.
Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.
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You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas
Did I fucking say it wasn’t? Jesus Christ, you people need to focus your ire on those who actually deserve it.
I SAID THAT IT’S ALL FASCISM. Learn to fucking read.
I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Now what?
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
I don’t even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
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Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, “you all”? I’m not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
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Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
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Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
This is big “Hitler made the trains run on time” energy.
Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
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Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
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I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
But will there?
At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.
Why are you separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
What’s Trump done for you that you’re such a huge fan of his lmao
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Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Your idea of perfection couldn’t run. After all, he’s the Israeli prime minister.
Fuck Bibi too, but “nothing will change” is a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
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Yes, I’m sure they love the acceleration your picture shows since January.
Actually no, doing a Holocaust is not “a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.”
Do you think Trump being in office somehow improved the situation in Gaza?
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Whataboutism
Don’t bother. This guy doesn’t live in your reality.
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A well crafted and witty retort indeed. Well done.
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Oh, you didn’t get the memo? Everyone has always opposed Israel now.
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I don’t think we have to issue death threats to liberals to get our point across.
You doing so are perpetuating the “tankie” stereotype.
Maybe imply it, but don’t Fed post.
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Revealed? Did no one read Project 2025m
Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.
So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.
Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.
If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.
Unless the democracy has systemic flaws that allow it to be captured by minority rule, and that minority voting block disenfranchises enough of the opposition to take all power from the majority.
This wasn’t a democracy in anything more than name before the election.
As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.
nah, it’s over. It was gg for elections in November, and so many people like you didn’t realize this. It’s to late to prevent this. All we can do now is rebuild.
We realize and so do you since you talk of rebuilding.
Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.
And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.
Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.
An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.
An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).
Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.
not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous
It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.
Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.
Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.
You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.
No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.
its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.
Its like climate change.
Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that’s effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.
its hard to mention anything he is not making worse.
I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.
Thanks for asking.
Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.
It has always been a dictatorship of the rich.
This is just taking the mask off.
That’s right, if it’s allowed to happen, it’s pretty hard to come back from that
I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
I think it is because you can’t reason with these idiot fascists, but we could have reasoned with Biden.
For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.
I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.
Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)
I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself
You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.
US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.
Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.
when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
That’s pure cope.
Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.
He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.
To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.
However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.
The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.
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biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
“How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”
This, but unironically.
What a stupid argument. Like Biden refusing to cede power to an elected opponent wouldn’t be one of the largest abuses of power in US history.
It would.
It would also be several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump’s done.
OMG no 🤣. It would have sent the nation into chaos!
Which would have been several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump has done (which includes sending the nation into chaos anyway).
blue maga is ridiculous. 🙄
All Biden needed to do was have Trump assassinated - as an official presidential action, it would have been perfectly legal according to Trump’s precedent.
Follow that up with a “Y’all see why this is maybe not the greatest idea to give the ol’ prez this much power? Repeal it, then I’ma fuck off to some beach somewhere.”
Boom. Democracy saved, all without breaking the law.
Not sure I get it, but user name do indeed check out.
Probably the pertinent bit: “Sulla revived the office of dictator, which had been dormant since the Second Punic War, over a century before. He used his powers to purge his opponents (“Sulla’s proscription”), and reform Roman constitutional laws, to restore the primacy of the Senate and limit the power of the tribunes of the plebs. Resigning his dictatorship in 79 BC, Sulla retired to private life and died the following year. Later political leaders such as Julius Caesar followed the precedent set by Sulla with his military coup to attain political power through force.”
Dude made himself dictator, reformed laws, purged his political rivals then gave it all up to go live in his villa once he felt he’d achieved his goals of putting the republic back on the rails. Julius Caesar later remarked that the one mistake Sulla made was that he gave up the power he had seized.
Oh gotcha. Guess I skimmed right passed that bit. But yeah, pretty much that exactly, except the whole dictator can of worms is already open.
How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.
Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. It’s illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it’s illegal to provide a better service than the government.
Uh huh.
JuSt VoTe NeXt TiMe!!!
And every time I tell people we won’t get a vote they laugh at me. Holy fuck, people just don’t get how severe and horrible this administration is. We can’t remove them for abuse of law, we can barely counter their worst abuses just to have them win in the end, and we’re about to have them as dictators for life with no voting.
I honestly think the only solution is to leave this damned country. But guess what, unless you have a decent amount of money, that’s out, too.
We’re fucked
The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.
Anyone who is surprised hasn’t been paying attention.
This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.
America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn’t gonna do it.
Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.
You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.
Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn’t buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.
Those people have been watching too many Hollywood movies. The next step after a protest march isn’t going in guns blazing. It’s holding an actual protest where you shut things down. Look at how the French do it. Organize. Resist. Disobey. Disrupt.
But work
But general strike
I don’t think people understand what fascism really is. Fascism doesn’t obey the rule of law at all, it is fascism especially if it fights it. Once a fascist raise to power, you’re done, marching is useless now. Only guns.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
And please stop cry, none of the country you invaded “exporting democracy” whined like this. It’s really pathetic, especially because you did it to yourself, no invading country needed. Get your guns and start shooting.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
See, and here I was thinking that it’s time for Germany, Japan, etc. to repay America by liberating us.
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Absolutely, if you were attacked. But you weren’t, you elected a fascist rapist pedofile after committing atrocities after atrocities and now the world should “liberate” you? From what, your dementia?
Was the Weimar Republic “attacked” by Hitler and the Nazis?
Do you really really believe that the United States entered the war out of goodness of their heart? Are you delulu?
One of the many reasons Britain managed to convince the US was…… drum roll……Palestinian land! But it’s just a coincidence don’t worry, what do I know, just a tankie here.
I’m not slamming people for being involved. I’m slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn’t going to stop a determined fascist.
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It’s a civil war.
I wish, but I don’t have faith that enough liberal interests will give a shit. They’ve done little to stand against fascism and have sided with corporate interests every time.
Civil wars aren’t typically fought by politicians. It’s up to regular people.
Regular people who have been pacified by a lifetime of “violence isn’t the answer” and “if you fight back, you’re just as bad.” I hope we find the will to resist, but I worry we’re too far gone.
It’ll take time for good people to lose the “anti-violence” dogma, but it’ll happen; if only because it because it becomes an unavoidable fact of life.
If you are at all surprised by this I got some beach front property in Montana to sell you.
Not sure how much I can trust that source. And no right-winger will ever accept it either.
Anyone with a more direct link to a source about this?
Fucking Russia and CCP run China in the USA. That is some 3rd World crap right there and the Blue States should tell Canada to annex them ASAP.
What do you mean “revealed” as if this is news? I thought this was the plan the whole fucking time.
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trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.
What is in this article that we didn’t already know? Is there any new legislation in process of being passed? This just sounds like the same playbook we used for the 2024 election to me.
