Most WSL users I know all run Linux at home; WSL is the best they can get at work.
True
Linux community: why don’t more people use Linux? Also Linux community: LOL LOOK AT THESE STUPID FUCKERS TRYING LINUX WRONG, LETS ALL GO SHIT ON THEM
goddamn do yall deserve eachother and your 0.01% OS share or whatever meaningless percentage of the OS market you represent.
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Do you realize it’s just a funny meme picture on the internet? We are on linuxmemes@lemmy.world and the picture is so mild, it’s just a friendly poke for fun and you just try to tear us a new asshole for that, damn, chill.
It’s not funny, it’s gatekeeping.
this homeless trans is laughing because of all the concerns in the world you’re bent over a weak joke that contains nuance considering the character showing disgust and disdain. he’s a baddy! 🤣
I’m glad you found a laugh and a moment of lightness while you’re struggling, and I hope the world becomes a kinder place for you as soon as possible. This is still a joke where the punchline is “windows user (ie, outgroup) disgusting”, and I hope you can understand why it’s bad to put that kind of energy out in the world then pretend it’s a joke.
another homeless trans person here, you need to chill the fuck out. nobody’s actually judging you for using windows + wsl, nobody’s coming to take your rights over it, nobody’s gonna hate crime you in the streets about it. sheesh.
windows users aren’t a marginalized group, that delulu shit. the real joke is users who react to gentle ribbing about software like it’s fuckin racism or something.
You’re gatekeeping.
its funny even if its a dead horse. don’t sweat it. folks will tell on themselves given the right prompt.
As a counterpoint to all of the people saying that you’re overreacting:
They’re right.
However, I think the sentiment of your comment is valid and correct. Memes like this do ultimately serve to alienate newer Linux users.
I think people are mostly responding to the way that your comment is worded, which conveys a much stronger reaction than is necessary for something that ultimately doesn’t cause very much harm.
Nobody is happy when you call them out for marginalizing people they view as inferior. I get the same reaction when call out family members being blatantly racist at family gatherings. I don’t care about the reactions of people who choose to engage only with my tone, they’re not here to interact with me or my opinions in a meaningful way. Last, I don’t believe I overreacted at all. I called out shitty alienating behaviour in response to a meme that implies an outgroup community is disgusting or inferior based on their operating system choice. As I see it the tone of the meme was significantly more insulting than the tone of my response.
You have to consider that your tone is important when trying to make a point.
It doesn’t help to call someone out in a way that’s callous and without any consideration toward how they may feel about being called out. All it does is elicit a strong emotional reaction which often results in them doubling down and being defensive of their behavior.
If you call someone out gently, and they’re not willing to listen, then you can ratchet it up a little depending on the severity of the behavior… until you reach a point where it’s clear that you’re not going to get anywhere.
So yeah, again, it’s toxic behavior to alienate a subset of Linux users when the community is already very fragmented. But your comment wasn’t just saying the behavior was shitty, it was also implying that the people who engage it in are shitty people. I understand that’s (hopefully) not what you meant, but humans tend to think that behavior==identity and it takes effort to override that. Naturally, when the quality of one’s person is in question, they’re going to be quite defensive.
I feel like I’m being admonished by a schoolteacher and honestly I probably deserve it. You’re probably right but I’m grumpy about it and need to re-read this later when I’m less grumpy about it
All I know is that the WSL is a massive step-up from Cygwin or Mingw32. We’ve been here before. The most recent incarnation before WSL was a klunky VirtualBox VM steered by Packer. The idea that you can mash a few buttons and get an Ubuntu VM with filesystem mapping that “just works” is a huge improvement.
Edit: I really don’t get the vitriol anyone gets for using the WSL when it’s a problem the FOSS community has tried to solve three times over in the last 25+ years or so.
People in glass housed shouldn’t throw stones.
One of the main points of using Linux is so that you don’t have to use Windows. Like I get WSL is useful in certain scenarios, but it’s whole existence is basically counter to why the majority of Linux users use Linux.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
How?
Encouraging the use of WSL to new Linux users is asinine. It’s a niche tool with a shitload of bugs and caveats, not something that should be widely used as a daily driver. It’s not “shitting on” anyone to tell them they shouldn’t be using WSL as their daily driver distro, just like it’s not “shitting on” someone to tell them not to use a hammer to drive in a screw.
I made a comment about the gatekeeping attitude of the community and you responded to me with a critique of WSL. The point I made sailed entirely over your head, hence the whoosh.
Saying “don’t use WSL as your first Linux distro” isn’t gatekeeping though, it’s just good advice.
Sure, that’s a valid position to have. Your position only relates to the OP meme in the loosest possible sense; the meme presents WSL users as inferior objects of disgust, which is clearly distinct from a claim that WSL is not the right starter distro for most people. As I see it you’re effectively whitewashing an elitist talking point by pretending it’s about helping new users, or you just didn’t notice the elitism because you are not part of the targeted out-group.
Lol brother, you were the one that introduced the context of “new Linux users”.
Linux community: why don’t more people use Linux?
I’m not whitewashing anything, I’m not being elitist. The only thing I’m trying to say is that if the Linux community wants to attract more users, we should absolutely be turning up our noses at WSL, like Homelander here in this meme. Because it’s a niche tool, not something a new Linux user should be daily driving.
fuck it
run windows in a virtual machine in Linux, then run wsl within it.
WSL is Linux On a Budget. Its rough as hell but hey, if its all you have practical access to.
Linux on a Budget
Have… Have I been accidentally pirating Linux all this time? Who do I owe money to?
Linus and Stallmann
oh I’ll take that up for you and get your copies registered
WSL is great. I get to do my weird little niche Linux stuff and also have working drivers for my mouse, use decent audio mixing software with a well designed GUI, run FL Studio, and decide based on my needs what the best software for any given task would be. I can also run any game without worrying about whether the score on ProtonDB is actually accurate or not.
If Linux had the same functionality as Windows I’d be all about it, but I have an actual workflow I need to be able to perform and I can’t be bothered troubleshooting random shit at a moment’s notice. Nothing breaks my flow more than realizing that a piece of software I need to operate flawlessly is missing some fundamental functionality. I literally can’t even draw as effectively in Linux because my precision mode doesn’t work properly. And there’s no way in hell I’m going to spend the hours or days or whatever fucking around with JACK to try to get it to do half of what Voicemeeter does.
WSL is awesome because it enables me to do everything I want at the same time from the same operating system. I use Linux for functionality, not to be in a club. High school was a looong time ago. Who has time to center their lives around trying to be cool enough for some internet people?
Also like, way to pick the incel fuckboy rapist murderer to represent you in this meme. Bravo.
I’m quite fucking good at Linux. I’m fine with embracing open source, and I think Proton is the best thing ever.
I drew the line at audio, video and graphics on Linux, especially anything realtime.
I bought a MacBook for that. I feel dirty, but all my ”work” is done on remote Linux systems anyway, so my Mac just needs to provide an editor and a terminal emulator, and I can even make do with my editor over SSH given reasonable latencies. On the other hand, all my audio/video/graphics work flawlessly on MacOS, and that’s what I need locally.
Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power
Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power
I think that sounds more like Cygwin.
I forgot about Cygwin… ugh
When using WSL, be sure to not mention anything about that when reporting bugs because that’ll just confuse the issue for the maintainers. They like having that casually mentioned about 20 messages into the troubleshooting process.
Pff, issue reports should ask for the output of ‘uname -ar’. It clearly shows its wsl as wsl runs a special kernel
This is me looking at myself cause I use both lol
For once I think I agree with Linux purists.
Fuck I might need a shower.
it’s a unix system on top of a windows system; i know this!
Yo dawg…
When someone ask for help with a Linux issue: 🤩
It’s a wsl bug: 🤭
Open source now tho
What’s the benefit for that? Can you fork it and run a copy in windows (or is it too integrated in wondows) or is it just Microsoft wanting your free labour (bugfixes etc)?
Mom! Windows is doing EEE again.
At least you can look at how it works under the hood I guess
Oh yeah, that is true !
This sort of elitism really hurts adoption
How? WSL is absolutely awful for adoption. Theres no GUI, it bearly runs GUI apps, and you have to manually configure it. If my first experience with Linux was WSL I would never touch Linux again.
When working with Linux I want a CLI and GUI for some applications. No need. To be fair, I primarily use windows because VS22 with resharpen is pretty nice (with graphical debugging).
Yes but thats sorta the point, WSL users like you are Windows users. Not really Linux users, you run a glorified VM. It makes perfect sense for devs to get annoyed when WSL users complain about WSL bugs to package or distro maintainers. Theres nothing wrong with that obviously but its still misleading whenever a WSL user calls themselves a Linux user (not to say that applies to you)
And i always thought Real™️ linux users dont need a desktop manager? No wait they need arch with a tiled window manager because it looks cool but actually dont do annything besides configure their install.
If you actually do work, getting used to a tiling WM is like a drug. I can’t live without it now.
(that’s a lie, I do at work cus I’m forced to use Windows, so WSL with tmux is an acceptable alternative)
Ok but what is your job then? I do software development and in no way would it make my work faster if i can type 2 more words a minute because i dont type that much. Most time is used to read sourcecode, chassing references through the codebase and reading api references in the browser. If i have to do more hardware related stuff i would never want to use a keyboard to scroll through datasheets.
Software development too, but also lots of sysadmin-like stuff so I spend lots of time in terminals/SSH. And I’m a vim fanatic.
Of course I also spend a lot of time in the browser, but also man pages/local docs in a pager
Ahh ok yea i also do some terminal shenanigans most in gdb to fix all the segfaults i make, git stuff and reading tons of compiler and cmake errors. Most time is spent thinking about what i broke and how, instead of typing.
I am a electrical engineering student in my last semester but i have been working at my position since starting uni. So my work is more low level stuff wirh c/c++, embedded linux and some pcb layouting. I dont think that i would ever use vim, sublime or vscode/vscodium is the sweet spot for me.
Electrical engineering and embedded programming is quite far from what I do, so that makes sense! One of my friends graduated EE 10+ years ago and his pace is much slower, but he’s much smarter than me lol.
I can get up to a pretty high apm when I get in the zone, and admittedly I enjoy the feeling of being a hackerman zipping through terminals…
Real™ Linux users stare at their desktop until they reboot into Windows so they can acturally run software :3
It has proper gui support now?
Let me clearify, you cant run full desktop environments on it. You cant even run a window manager like Sway on it.
You can but it’s a very cursed way to do it. You need to run an X server on windows and set up x11 forwarding. I remember trying it ages ago and it sort of worked. I ended up giving up on it as I ended up just using a live boot.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61110603/how-to-set-up-working-x11-forwarding-on-wsl2
That seems like its not stable and the software is likely to either be undermaintained or unmaintained
Vcxsrv has been around for ages. It’s also more documented now. I tried it right when wsl2 released.
The only way it could really do it would be for the Windows shell to get out of the way, which it won’t.
You can with effort have some sort of abomination where you get inflicted with both UI designs at the same time…
Yes
You can sudo apt install firefox. And you will get a firefox (wsl ) icon on your start menu
This pleb thinks we should listen to them. Frankly, this neighborhood is done for!
On another side it stops people from switching cause as better it’s working less reason to switch
WSL is cool when you first use it then you realize it actually kind of sucks
Apt username
Yum username.
Yay username
Dnf usernam
Me looking disgusted at myself in the mirror, for I am doomed towards eternal Microsoft-dependency at work.
Still better than cygwin
God I remember suffering through cygwin at a VB shop back in '17… literal hell
And msys
Small blessings. Seeing a WSL user means that some dev out there didn’t have to implement Windows support.
