I can understand the opinion that bringing kids into the world is causing them harm because the world sucks. But the number of people who seemed to bring that opinion into the real world on that sub was kind of scary.
Not an insignificant number of people who had stories like “my stupid natalist coworker wanted to take off to attend their kids’ graduation, I told them I wouldn’t help and they shoulda thought about that before they had their little shitstains” were there.
Like having kids already sucks enough, making parents’ lives harder seems to be actively adding to the harm you’re trying to reduce…
Great comment. That’s what I’ve felt about being antinatalist myself. Not having kids is harm reduction, why would you harm others trying for a kid?
Yeah I’m bitter towards my parents for handing me a huge bill every month to keep existing, but I wouldn’t bomb the hospital I was born in.
Turns out, people who are willing to blow others up dont usually think all that clearly.
No!!! you can’t just reduce the number of peasants fighting for increasingly artificially reduced resources
This community sucks but we far as I know none of these people suggested bombing a fertility clinic on it. Do they ban all Muslim subs after Islamic terror attacks or anti abortion subs when someone bombs an abortion clinic? I hate the direction Reddit moderation has taken because this kind of reactionary bullshit will probably just push these people onto telegram chats and discord channels where they actually will get radicalized instead of just whining about how they wished they had never been born.
It’s post-IPO Reddit. There is no logic. Just a techbro corporate tyrant running the platform into the ground. Hopefully this inspires some to move to Lemmy.
No but they did ban a whole subreddit (WatchPeopleDie) dedicated to footage of people dying back in 2018 after they dared to show footage of the Christchurch mass shooting - without any prior admin warning whatsoever.
And honestly Reddit were a bunch of hypocrites for how they handled that situation, especially since WPD had tonnes of uncut ISIS execution videos hosted on their subreddit a few years back and nobody on the board gave a shit.
In those days, admins basically only banned subs that got large amounts of negative press.
Yes absolutely, they let some ghoulish subs stay up for a very long time until a news piece would be written about it. Like r/cutedeadgirls, r/jailbait, and r/fatpeoplehate
That’s such bullshit. The whole concept of anti-natalism is built around suffering being bad. Bombing people is causing suffering and goes directly against AN.
Good. I’ve seen stuff on that sub back when I used that site. It’s takes “I don’t want to have kids and society should stop making me feel bad about it” to the extreme of “nobody should have kids and people that do are child abusers”.
Sadly, they seem like a lot of broken people.
I’m not about to @ people for having kids, but I have to say that in my experience, the whole idea is nothing but a conceit. People want kids for bad reasons. There’s really no sensible reason to have a child in the human world. Fine, go have kids, but don’t come back years later upset your kid is rebelling or not following your beliefs or doing bad things or not following in your footsteps or listening to your advice or whatever the fuck. You basically played a slot machine with no jackpot.
Do people often blame you for their kids doing those things?
People might tell you about it because… you know… maybe they think you’re a friend or maybe they’re just venting or maybe they’re making small talk.
Parents often make the mistake of thinking everyone understands what it’s like. They’re trying to find common ground by sharing those struggles.
If you don’t like it, just channel the conversation to something you do like. That said, sometimes it’s just good to let people vent. People like talking about their kids, and it’s a sneaky way to ingratiate yourself to them.
Jesus Christ what a depressing take.
I have two kids, and I had them so that I could raise good, caring people to continue society, and because I enjoy being able to nurture them to reach whatever goals they want.
I want my kids to rebel. I want my kids to think for themselves. I’m an atheist, and my kid wanted to learn about Christianity, so I took them to church. I don’t need my kid to “follow in my footsteps,” I want them to do whatever they find fulfilling.
The best part of parenting is not knowing what to expect and watching what they’ll grow into. You’re right, to a degree, about the slot machine, but you’re wrong about there being no jackpot.
But if you get no enjoyment from that, by all means, don’t have kids. In fact, if you’re on the fence or unsure, don’t have kids. The default should absolutely be no kids unless you’re really sure that’s what you want.
Not broken. Just mentally unwell. We have a national mental health crisis. Normalizing and increasing accessibility to treatment is vital.
Also meaningfully addressing the underlying causes of an enormous amount of anxiety. Therapy is good for and should be easily available to everyone, but you can’t therapy your way out of rampant climate change, wealth inequality, and governmental rot.
Well adjusted people would be more inclined to believe experts in their respective fields than thinking they know everything. They’d also be less susceptible to fearmongering propaganda.
It wouldn’t fix anything overnight, but it would certainly improve everything over time.
I don’t know if it’s mentally unwell to not want children or to question the sanity of having children in this current society or other such situation like the poverty 2/3rds the world experiences.
As a parent, I feel guilt for my child to have to put up with this bs, especially in the workforce that I have dealt with in the 21 years I’ve been working. This shit sucks, and I hate living in this capitalist society we’ve built. There’s no logical way to escape it and just live freely.
And I’m poor in America. It’s even worse being poor outside of America. I honestly think it’s mentally unwell to keep having children in those circumstances.
And let’s add some context before I get chewed out by the smiling happy NT people:
I am autistic. My son is autistic. Life is very difficult and stressful every day because society was not built in any way that fits us. We have priorities and needs that run completely opposite of American society, its economy, its structure. The toiling for ten hours, coming home in the same traffic, raising kids until night, getting an hour to yourself, then bed to just wake up and do it all again for 40 years just feels like death.
And who wants to be forced to subjected to that?
Acting upon a perceived moral imperative to prevent others from procreation demonstrates a lack of interpersonal boundaries. Mentally fit people don’t kill themselves in fertility clinic explosions.
Well obviously that individual was mentally unwell. But the sentiment that one shouldn’t have a child by their own choice due to environmental circumstances by itself isn’t mentally unwell.
I don’t believe people should make that choice for others, but it shouldn’t be seem so abnormal if one does feel that way because, well, *gestures around wildly *
I think you were talking about people who believe in not having kids, and the other commenter was talking about people who want to blow themselves up to prevent others from having kids.
You are correct 🫡
Agreed. This place is a nightmare. Lol
It would be a whole lot better if more people took care of their mental health, and we didn’t elect psychopathic narcissists into the highest office in the US.
Reddit is the place that proves that this society have an extreme mental health issue.
Reddit has banned a community devoted to a nihilistic, anti-life philosophy
This sentence contradicts itself. Devotion to a philosophy or ideology is precisely what nihilism is not.
To the argument “The Earth is valuable and should be protected” the nihilist would point out that earth having value depends on the continued existence of Humans.
That’s an interesting viewpoint. Personally, I think the nihilistic persective is somewhere among the lines of:
At some point, all life shall cease. This is not an opinion, it is an unavoidable fact. All of our pretty houses will be gone, and so will all of our loved ones, that we so cherish. Even if we manage to find a cure to all disease, this will be meaningless. We will inherit the legacy of our indifferent universe: empty, dead space. At the very end, every single moment of our collective existence will be essentially reduced to such an absolute state of nothingness, one that we can’t even perceive. If you think about it, the only sane action, when faced with this truth, is inaction, for all is meaningless. The earth doesn’t have value because it has life. It lacked any value to begin with, for it too, will at some point be gone, likely much sooner than we think…
Or some shit like that. Hope I didn’t give you depression lol. Stay in school ig?
Nihilism just asserts “life has no purpose”. That’s only depressing to those who pioneer their entire life off of appeasing to a greater power, whether religious or in material wealth.
Nihilism can also be viewed through a Hedonist (pursuit of pleasure) lens. I doubt most Nihilists have depression or even want to die. If Nihilists truly wanted to die, wouldn’t they just kill themselves? They won’t fear going to “hell” for it.
I thought that was existentialists
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Reddit’s (to some exent, Lemmy too) Misanthropy is kinda oddly unsettling.
I mean, people would joke about ending the world because humans “deserved it”, sure funny joke, but I’m starting to be worried if they are just joking or are some people actually planning to “punish” humanity for the wrongdoings of a few politicians that run the world.
Echo toxic sentiments for long enough and people are going to start believing it.
I’m about 95% sure that communities like 4chan, Reddit, Poal, 8Kun, etc are the reason why the American & European political climates are now so fucked.
they wouldn’t be quite as negative if the mainstream media didn’t only talk about them as if they are evil and scary and bad just because they allow discussion of topics that some people don’t like.
Considering how many people joke about wanting to die, who claim they have nothing to lose, are just waiting for “something” then do nothing once fascism shows up and they have a perfectly valid excuse to make a splash for a good cause and still don’t… I don’t actually think we have much to worry about, there’s an incredible disconnect between what people say/do and who they believe they are on the internet and reality
People that correctly recognize the state of the world are naturally antinatalist, if not misanthropic.
We took a world that produced practically infinite food for free and somehow invented credit scores while causing the single fastest mass extinction event in earth’s history.
