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Necromancy gets a bad name.
The heart beating is not a good definition of being alive in my opinion. The heart stopping temporarily doesn’t mean you died, you were just in terribly grave danger.
If a person is defined by their heart, what does that make a heart transplant?
utterly useless definition.
Brain oxygen levels are the most important one iirc
Yeah, I’m not in any way medically anything but I think I remember Dr Mike or one of those talking about how brain death is considered death or something like that.
Because once those hit a certain danger threshold there’s not much to ‘bring back’ right? I vaguely recall reading that somewhere.
Brains fail catastrophically and unrecoverably pretty quickly after being starved of oxygen. I don’t like the chances of the frozen people who hope to be reanimated in the future
Some of them make for deliciously cursed slushies though
no, we should use the heart beating as a definition. why? because then I can say I’m undead and have died twice. that’s very cool 😎 pls don’t take that away from me 🥺 :(
As an old and now retired medic. My personal definition of dead was if you made into the back of my amp-a-lamps or not. If you did you weren’t dead-- you were merely having a bit of a bad day. I might have needed to do your breathing for you and I might have needed to make your heart pump blood. But until some doctor somewhere decided you weren’t worth his time and effort, you were still alive. Because I don’t haul dead people.
So, by my definition as a trained and professional medical person, you where never dead-dead. Just someone have a bad day among many others having a bad day at that time.
And how is lichdom treating you? Have you raised an army of skeleton warriors yet?
But if you’ve died, then were undead, and then died again, you’d be un-undead right? So alive? It’s basic double jeopardy.
We are all the cardiac system of Theseus on this glorious day.
It’s a good thing that the lack of a heartbeat isn’t the ultimate definition of dead. But it can be one of the markers of dead.
I mean, sure, you won’t stay alive for very long with a stopped heart.
We use a lot to define being alive not just the heart. The heart stopping is just an easy way to pronounce someone dead. What you described is called a pause. Not really the same thing. Brain death is also a thing. Any organ transplant allows you to function when otherwise you wouldn’t be able to.
I meant like, when someones heart stops and gets restarted again with cpr or a defibrillator or something. People often call that being dead, and coming back.
So if someones heart stops we don’t actually shock them. That’s a medical show myth. We shock them if they’re in something called a lethal rhythm. Which is the heart beating but not actually pumping blood. Very similar to the heart stopping and will eventually lead to the heart giving out. CPR keeps the blood flowing which keeps oxygen moving throughout the body preventing permanent damage. We give medications to restart the heart. They don’t really die until these interventions are stopped. Some people also have a pacemaker that detects their heart going into a lethal rhythm and will take over the electrical impulse until their heart goes back to normal. By the definition of the heart stopping this person would technically die and be brought back too. So I see what you’re saying but I wanted to add some context that this is pretty complex. Even more so when you bring in people deciding when they don’t want these interventions.
Hey why do you think they call it “grave” danger
i know this is a joke, but i find it quite interesting those two words have completely different etymologies.
Grave as in burial site comes from an old proto indo european word for “dig”, while grave as in serious comes from french.
til french isn’t an Indo European language
Grave in this context just means deep. That’s one of the meanings of grave
And when i die they’ll throw me into a grave hole.
To be fair, I wouldnt be that shocked to find out thats how the maintainer of some core library exists. Permanently on life support, because no one else can understand their code.
I think you just described every COBOL programmers retirement.
Basically the Emperor of Mankind, being kept alive else all of humanity as we know it is doomed.
Isn’t this the plot of the Matrix?
Depends if you go with the original idea, or the battery idea designed by Hollywood execs who didn’t think the audiences would understand.
… thus proving that Hollywood execs and the people they make their changes for are only good for batteries*, but I digress.
* For legal reasons, this is a joke. I have to say this because some Hollywood execs have more lawyers than braincells**.
** For all the same reasons, this is also a joke.
Well, the Matrix was a huge success despite being dumb, so they seem to have made a smart decision.
“He’s coding! I need a red bull, cargo shorts, and quiet classic rock, stat!”
NO that is the WRONG kind of coding!!
We need a monster, a short skirt, some stripey colorful thigh high socks, and Vocaloid music!
CPR doesn’t bring a decompensated body back to life. You gotta figure out the problem in order to do that and fix it. That’s what the algorithms we use in a code is for (as opposed to the algorithms you guys code). That’s the real esoteric necromancy. Epi, bicarb, epi.
https://hospitalhandbook.ucsf.edu/04-comprehensive-acls-algorithm/04-comprehensive-acls-algorithm
But they are literally dead
Dead is more of a legal than a biological definition nowadays. There’s definitely some leeway.
Not having a heartbeat and not breathing doesn’t mean you’re dead. Intensive care departments are literally full of people with medically paralysed breathing muscles (i.e. not breathing) on ventilation machines. People go onto heart/lung bypass machines everyday to have heart surgery and their heart is stopped. You just need to keep oxygenated blood going around, keeping those tissues alive till you get the heart and breathing back online (this is what CPR is trying to do).
When the brain stem is dead tissue, then you’re truly dead (but even then you can be kept “alive” artificially if you’re already on a ventilation machine in a suitable intensive care).
When your heart stops, you are considered dead no matter how viable your brain tissue is.
Source: I have pronounced many persons dead.
Have you considered pronouncing them based on the spelling of their names?
The medical community has long since moved on from the cardiovascular definition of death.
UpToDate.com is about the only source I can be bothered mustering up for an internet disagreement at this time of night:
Death is an irreversible, biologic event that consists of permanent cessation of the critical functions of the organism as a whole [1]. This concept allows for survival of tissues in isolation, but it requires the loss of integrated function of various organ systems. Death of the brain therefore qualifies as death, as the brain is essential for integrating critical functions of the body. The equivalence of brain death with death is largely, although not universally, accepted [2,3]. Brain death implies the permanent absence of cerebral and brainstem functions.
Also this video seems to explain what I’m trying to say, although I’m not going to watch the whole thing at this hour and I only skimmed through it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhxRSaJ74E
Once upon a time, many moons ago as a resident, I was called at 2 AM by the organ donation team to call the time of death of a beautiful 21-year-old girl who had gone into a diabetic coma and never woke up. There was 20 people in the room weeping, Amazing Grace was playing; I was sweating bullets. So I stood there until her pulse stopped and called it, even though she still had PEA on the monitor. I was so nervous, I followed her into the OR to make sure she didn’t wake up when they cut her.
No it’s not. It only becomes a criteria when you can no longer reasonably be sure that it can’t be restarted.
Source: Retired medic that has pronounced my share of dead people AND restarted a few hearts also.
This is like saying your car battery isn’t dead because I’m able to jump start it.
So why do we do CPR? Why do we use AEDs? Was all the CPR I have done a waste of time?
Dead means you are going to stay that way. Dead is irreversible. And until I and/or a doctor say you are dead, you are not. You are just maybe dead.
Dead means dead if you don’t do anything about it
I know this is a definition in many places. I find it stupid and useless.
And they’ll stay dead if all you do is CPR. CPR alone is closer to necrophilia than necromancy.
Only when you stick your tongue in their mouth.
Which is fun, don’t get me wrong, but sometimes things are busy and you don’t have time.
Sometimes they only need a couple compressions
Usually they’re not dead when that happens. I personally have never had that happen in any of my codes but all my people are connected to continuous cardiac monitoring so I generally know what’s happening before I even see them.
As an old and retired medic, the lack of respiration and pulse doesn’t mean you are dead-dead. On the scale of "Not Dead to Dead-Dead, a lack of respiration’s and pulse means you are at the maybe dead on the line. And other factors will make the final determination about if you are actually dead or not.
The first determining factor in figuring out where the patient is on the scale, is if you make it into my amp-a-lamps or not. If you do, you are alive at least for a little while longer and I’mma let the doctor sort it all out for you. If you don’t make it in the back of my bus, then you are dead-dead and nothing can change that-- not even god himself.
Jesus would like a word with you.
For all the times I have done CPR or those times I have to deal with a major trauma, never once did I see Jesus there waiting to take a turn at chest compressions, I never once saw the Holy Ghost crawl into an upside down car wreak with me, and God sure as hell was not there when I had to scale up out of that 20ft deep drainage ditch and had to explain to a Mother that her 11 year old son was dead under that 4-wheeler and there was nothing anyone could do to fix that.
God ain’t never had anything to do with it.
That’s a story from thousands of years ago. I don’t think their standards for 1. Death; or 2. Veracity in stories were up to the standards we would like were it non fiction
being dead is surprisingly flexible with modern medicine
getting all the relevant equipment and personnel
Yeah, doesn’t sound like the kind of coding I’m familiar with.
It reads like two Chatbots having a conversation
Hey!
Code on into the great beyond
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