they are, though. My nerve pain, dysautonomia, and chronic fatigue from long COVID are all dismissed as being just in my head
Agoraphobia is a really fun one. “Just go outside! You’ll feel better if you hang out with people!” I’d love to! I’d love for my brain to not put up a great big roadblock that says “you are not going to be able to go into Walmart” or “you cannot complete that piece of paperwork.” That’s the problem I have. If it was as simple as just doing the thing, I’d be doing the thing.
Who is going to tell them?
(I have seen a few of these very examples.)
Especially the first one
If you have a physical illness you go to physical therapy, so if you have a mental illness you should go to mental therapy.
Yeah definitely feel like at least in America we treat physical illness that way a lot of the time too
I agree with the message but its not entirely true becsuse once you treat the gaping wound, going on walks and just basic physical activity actually helps. It sounds stupid but touching grass is one of the best things you can do when youre in a bad place. Also this one adresses like one of the slides, the rest is bullshit people constantly tell eachother. Actually looking at the person on a deeper level and not just the surface helps a lot. What doesnt help is most people depressed nowadays arent depressed from some personal thing but from the cold hard truth that the world is a horrible place thats falling apart.
As the closest friend of someone depressed, I have to say such illness isn’t the same as physical illness. Sure all those advices won’t change anything, but that’s just because the person doesn’t have the will to make them happen. People around the depressed person can definitely help, just by spending time with the person, and encouraging the person to accompany them to activities. Biggest danger is insisting too much as you might turn into a burden. Sometimes I think it’s just better not to talk
The medication stigma is based on basically magic thinking: That medicine is alien, external, unnatural while the human body is pure and natural. Therefore any difference between medicated and unmedicated is artificial and caused by the medicine.
No, the body is fucking dropping terror chemicals in my bloodstream. It is changing my personality from easygoing and outgoing to snippy and reclusive. The body is malfunctioning and changing my personality for the worse.
The medicine is reducing the amount and effectiveness of the body’s excess of terror chemicals. It restores normality.
For me, I have a stigma to medication because the side effects are terrifying. I almost died from SSRIs, I got very ill and also suicidal. On benzos, I got paradoxically anxious and angry after cessation/when I wasn’t taking them (I am not an angry person). I took them as prescribed - always.
I only got more and more unstable after taking various psychiatric drugs, and everyone in my family who has taken psychiatric drugs was not better off for it. Seems like suicidal ideation is a common reaction for those in my family. Perhaps there is a genetic cause for it, like how we metabolize drugs.
I don’t know a single person in my life who has had a good experience, but if you or someone you know has had a good experience, I’m happy for you. It’s just unfair to say it’s magical thinking when there are real life reasons why people are hesitant.
But no one thinks the same about statins, for example
It’s not medication, it’s medication that addresses mental illness
Nah, I ran into it going on thyroid hormones too. My parents had a couple church friends that were absolutely adamant that I needed to take the ‘natural’ desiccated pig thyroid instead of the ‘unnatural’ synthetic thyroid hormones. Their faith said that their god doesn’t make mistakes, that either he wants you to have this condition, or he’s provided a perfect natural remedy, so synthetic medicines existing is hubris.
It’s more common with mental health meds, but it’s not like there’s a law saying it’s the only meds people can be shitty about.
hugs you
I know this doesn’t change what your body is doing to you, but I hope it at least makes you feel loved.
Thanks, friend! I’m all in all in a consistent good place and living a very active functional life, but it’s 30% medication, 30% being stubbornly careful of what I let into my head, and 40% luck.
“Don’t you think that eating healthy food every days is changing you from who you really are?”
munches on bacon flavored doritos judgingly
theres also the possibility that life today is truly a terrible situation for many, and your body refuses to lie to itself.
and its way better than it usually has been.
And now the cropping is fixed, so the comments deriding the cropping don’t make sense anymore.
The confusion it will cause…
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ok, but in america this IS how physical diseases are treated
In the four european countries I’ve lived in as a physically disabled person unable to work, this is exactly how I’ve been treated as well.
Me: Doc, I’m in constant pain, my lower back is killing me, my hips are killing me, and random parts of my body go numb or twitch and randomly hurt for no rhyme or reason.
Doc: You need to lose weight and see a therapist, this is most likely depression and anxiety.
Therapist: Yes, you have depression and anxiety, but the 7 years of therapy you’ve had shows it’s not just anxiety or depression causing this, advocate for yourself.
Friend: Have you tried yoga?
Good advice is to look at what America does, and do the opposite.
Source: American citizen
Because medical science really has very little understanding of how mental illness happens, most of thier treatment boils down to “deal with it”. Medications help treat some symptoms, but often with lots of side effects.
So really the way we treat mental illness is often simply all we have. And that is the real problem.
We are still in the dark ages of medicine. People like to refer to modern medicine, but we are far from it. If we mobilized even half the amount of population that currently works on war related efforts, we would see astounding progress.
But it is modern! We already have germ theory, we know about inoculation and have a hazy idea that our endocrine system is very important. And yes, here is where all your words ring true.
I used to be way more sceptical towards any brain-chemistry-tampering compound, as I prejudged doctors to behave as they are next to an assembly line, prescribing chemicals based on archaic formulas. I’d hate to be stuck in a half-zen state married to some foreign chemistry with myriads of side effects. That is what I was seeing.
Then a friend had a pretty graceful mental breakdown. He couldn’t sleep and he institutionalized himself farely quickly. Rivotril or something along those lines let him sleep. And then he was put on antidepressants (seratonin reuptake inhibitors , if I’m not mistaken, which was a huge bogeyman for me), was gliding on them for about a month or so, then weened off. I was seriously surprised that such an episode can be handled so well and so quickly without any residual medicating.
I think they didn’t fix the underlying issues, but were able to unlock a cramp. I believe my friend has a fresh chance to figure out what brought him to that type of collapse and adjust his life accordingly.
All this said, even with the shittiest medications, it can definitely be worth being locked into some medicine than being a pool of dysfunction lying on the floor or causing major harm to your loved ones. I mean a good ayahuasca session gets a person pretty far, but not everything can be psychosomatic.
You are right to judge, but better off appreciating how far we come. Also thank you for expressing your opinion on it. I almost came in with an ‘acktchually’ after reading the comic, even though I agree and it resonates, it’s such a delicate topic. I guess you got dosed with my contrarianism instead of OP!
It has improved since the dark ages, but it’s still the same approach. Trial and error. And we still treat many illnesses by poisioning the body and hoping we kill the disease before the patient (chemotherapy, and actually antibiotics), just like leeches. And most treatments aren’t even specifically delivered to the site of the issue. We swallow them and let themspread everywhere. So we have to take way more to get the concentration we need where we need it. You need look no further than at the abysmal suscess rate of stage 3 trials to see that they have no idea what a medication will do to most of the body. We can split the atom, walk on the moon, and annilate every human on the planet. But we can’t even reliably cure a headache, or even stop pain. We can dull your mind so you don’t care about the pain with addictive substances that have lots of side effects, or we can knock you out (and only most of the time wake you up). We need more understanding. We need better diagnostic tooling. We don’t even have a non-invasive way to reliably tell if an illness is viral or bacterial for a reasonable enough price to use it often.
Generally agree but nr 4 pushes the stigma aspect. You should not be needing to take mental health medication every day just because you need to slave for some rich dick.
If you are free of stressing components like a toxic workplace, toxic friends, social pressure and alienation and still feel like you need chemical help and/or you literally have hallucinations, then you should medicate. Currently the vast majority is medicating (anecdotal) to cope with the shithole we live in.
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Thats not what I said but okay. I even put a marker on my text that it was anecdotal. Cant help there I think.
A LOT of people suffer from society and the pile of shit we’re turning the world into. A LOT of people who do suffer dont even understand they do. And of course some people have no other choice but my point was that a lot (in my experience) dont even entertain the thought.
Thanks, I got confused on what both the comic and you were saying!
I medicate because otherwise I’d get nothing done. And that’s not just work related, I mean my own personal projects and hobbies.
I used to think I could get by without, but as I turned 30 and was still procrastinating 90% of my free time away despite me desperately wanting to do something and that in turn also affecting my personal relationships. I needed to go sell help for medication. Even though I wasn’t hallucinating.
You could also look at it like, you were conditioned to think that procrastinating/being unproductive is a bad thing. In the end, it could be that the things you do while procrastinating are the things you actually want, and the other stuff is just stuff that you think you’re supposed to do.
Of course, you know yourself best. But for me, once I started seeing the procrastination activities as the actual activities I want to do, I really just stopped doing most of the other stuff, and now I’m entirely unproductive, not doing anything much, and I’m the happiest I’ve ever been.
Nah i have loads of things i want to do do, personal programming projects, woodworking, DIY but instead I would just watch YouTube and play games because they were easier
In the end, it could be that the things you do while procrastinating are the things you actually want, and the other stuff is just stuff that you think you’re supposed to do.
It depends very heavily on what one does while procrastinating and whether I feel like I am avoiding doing the thing that I want/should be doing and how I feel about it afterwards. If I choose to play games instead of cleaning, that doesn’t even feel like procrastination for me, it was just choosing something else.
But if I’m choosing something else just to avoid doing the other thing then it feels like procrastination. Right now I’m procrastinating by making this post instead of replying to something I don’t want to deal with. That is different than when I choose to browse and post instead of cleaning if I just feel like browsing more than cleaning. That’s just prioritizing.
Ugh, I should really stop procrastinating and deal with that other thing. Maybe I’ll procrastinate some more by cleaning instead of dealing with that thing…
True. What happens if you don’t do the other thing you’re avoiding right now?
The problem gets worse as more and more people overreact to a misunderstanding. I did take care of it shortly after posting.
If the thing I am avoiding doesn’t have negative consequences then I don’t feel like avoiding it is procrastination, just choosing something else. That is the difference for me.
For example, avoiding cleaning is only procrastination if there is a negative consequence like mold buildup or it causes issues my sinuses to have a fit from excess dust. Or if being disorganized hinders my ability to do the things I want. For me, procrastination isn’t defined by someone else.
And thats totally fine. I didnt say dont use medication. I said stop the stigma.
Fair
I genereally agree, but I feel some nuance is missing: That is assuming a “harmful” environment is total toxicity and something you can just leave with no ill effects.
Sometimes the environment that hurts you is normal-ish and even “nice”, but you personally are sensitive to some aspects of it, making it exhausting. It gives you purpose and happiness and you may not want to leave it.
Sometimes you have to stick to a harsh job because you have responsibilities. I’d rather take reasonably harmless medicine like melatonin and beta blockers to reduce the effects of stress and have a fulfilling life raising and supporting my kids, than saying “Work and life makes dad sad. I need to move to Spain and be a bartender at a beach. Sorry kids, I’m sure someone will find you a foster home bye.”
Sure, nuance all day. I agree that i havent pointed out every aspect but as you said, the general point is valid.
Welcome to the Netherlands…
Just take a paracetamol
Yeah, that would be weird. Except physical illnesses and mental illnesses are not exactly the same.
The difference is that when you’re physically sick, there usually isn’t much you can do to help yourself, but there’s a lot you can do about many mental illnesses. I’m not saying it’s easy or that mentally ill people don’t need support and care, but these are not comparable.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t agree with the comic.
