I appreciate him saying it upfront. Makes it easy to stay away from all of their products.
Wow! I’ve always wanted a browser that would track everything about me! /s
Gotta get me some of that.
Do all these dickheads go to a school to learn the same specific hand gestures?
In other news, Perplexity has signed a deal with Motorola to have the browser preinstalled on their phones.
Thx, for the heads up. The only reason I’m not typing this on a motorola g85 is because I got distracted when I was ordering it. Now I’ve got to search for a different brand.
Companies are so removed from what users want, they only focus on what shareholders want to hear and don’t consider that users will hate it.
Because there is legal precedent that says shareholders come first.
You can blame Dodge for this. Yes, that Dodge.
Oh, look, the reason Dodge reliability is garbage.
Real shocker, right? 😂
So to ensure that a company is more likely to be customer focused, rather than shareholder focused, it’s likely a good idea to only go for companies not listed on the american stock exchanges?
Yup. Same goes for being employed - if they’re publicly traded they’ll almost certainly treat their staff like absolute garbage.
I mean, that’s my take. Also why you hear a lot of moaning and groaning from enthusiasts when a company who makes well-loved products decides to go public. Enshittification always occurs.
Too bad, that long-term users still kind of decide the fate of the company (as shareholders at some point realize that their share probably is not worth it).
I’m really keen to see when this happens to Tesla, I’m thinking about shorting the stock, it’s so vastly overvalued, and there’s strong competition and sales are crashing everywhere (because of too much Nazi)
Too bad, that long-term users still kind of decide the fate of the company (as shareholders at some point realize that their share probably is not worth it).
Yeah, that’s really the kicker, isn’t it? Legally beholden to the shareholders who demand short term profits forever and ever, risking the loss of long-term customers.
It’s a guaranteed death.
But then users use it anyway for some reason. Many people care so little.
Most people are unintelligent sacks of meat, not much critical thought about what they do runs through their minds.
It is legislation’s work.
What a stupid name for a company.
Is Chrome not doing exactly this?
Chrome is relatively limited in scope compared to, say, a user on an instance of degoogled chromium just using the same Google services along with all the other browsing they do. The extra data that’s gathered is generally going to be things like a little more DNS query information, (assuming your device isn’t already set to default to Google’s DNS server) links you visit that don’t already have Google’s trackers on them (very few) and some general information like when you’re turning on your computer and Chrome is opening up.
The real difference is in how Chrome doesn’t protect you like other browsers do, and it thus makes more of the collection that Google’s services do indirectly, possible.
Perplexity is still being pretty vague here, but if I had to guess, it would essentially just be taking all the stuff that Google would usually get from tracking pixels and ad cookies, and baking that directly in to the browser instead of it relying on individual sites using it.
Chrome doesn’t really collect much data directly. It just has no protection against all the trackers on nearly every website that do.
Ok how long after this browser goes live till we hear it being used by the FBI to track criminals.
Jesus, that escalated quickly…
In mean it’s what Google is doing for years now. Not saying it’s good by any means but it’s nothing new anymore.
P.T. Barnum in his grave getting a full on chubby for all the suckers that go for this shit
I hate when people post hyperpartisan reporting because it makes me do homework. In this case, you made me listen to almost an hour of a three hour podcast with three techbros chatting about techbro crap in techbro ways. You owe me years of life.
Anyway, so the conspicuously missing context here is he’s asked if they will let go of the subscription model and go after an ad business model instead and he responds “hopefully not” and clarifies that he thinks the AI differentiator from Google search is that it doesn’t feed people ads.
He then transitions into saying that you’d need a super hyperspecialized profile for it to make sense and then maybe it could work but they haven’t figured out long term memory well enough for that, which is when he talks about why they’d want to have a browser to build that hyperspecialized profile.
This is my least favorite type of misinfo, too, because he’s actually kinda saying what they say he’s saying, just out of context. But more importantly, because he says some other shit that is more outrageous, too. For example, when explaining why he thinks the subscription business will grow more than the ad business the way he puts it is that “people see it as hiring someone”, so they’re more willing to spend, and he ponders “how much do people pay for personal assistants and assistant managers and nannies?” and suggests that they’ll provide similar services for cheaper to people who can’t afford human help.
Which may not be as clickbaity and I get he finds it positive-on-the-aggregate, but is certainly some cyberpunk dystopia stuff that didn’t need the out of context quoting to be a thing.
A scholar and a gentleman!
Thanks for you sacrifice and service (it does sound like, but it is NOT sarcastic)
You owe me years of life.
Best I can do is an upvote and a hearty thank you.
Thank you!
We need more people like you, thank you
Thank you!
There is an implication, though, that they intend to collect as much data as possible regardless of which model they use? And in the article, he isn’t selling any data, I think. Any mention of that?
To be clear, they ARE building an AI-forward browser and he is very plain about collecting a ton of user info. The way it’s presented in context is that they intend to plug it in to their assistant/agent thing and surface relevant stuff to you on searches (which is the potential ad opportunity the article quotes as if it was the sole goal). But yeah, the implication is that they are collecting data regardless, even if the user profile ends up being used to cater AI responses to you specifically, to train models or whatever.
Hearing the guy talk about it I get the impression that he envisions an Apple-like ecosystem where they’re constantly ingesting data and you’re paying them to have their AI services act as a personal assistant and handle purchases and booking for you directly and so on, on top of anwering queries.
I would rather clip my toenails with a rusty chainsaw, myself, but that seems to be the idea.
Thank you!
Why would I use such a browser?
Because some influencer say you should. Works this way for too many people.
The amount of folks I see use Opera GX “gaming browser” because some influencer said so…
What the fuck is a gaming browser. Browsers show web pages.
From what I’ve seen it has a lil sidebar that lets you limit the resources available to it. Also a load of shortcuts to giveaways and storefronts. It’s also hideous, as all gamer stuff should be.
Honestly it gives me more “lowspec” vibes, than “gaming”, and there are far better ways to browse on low spec machines.
I’m still shocked at how many seemingly tech-literate people use and defend Brave because of influencers.
An influencer’s review only makes me wary of a product and makes me question their motives.
But I guess others don’t see it that way, or they wouldn’t be doing it.
“Because it really gets you, y’know?”
They’ve partnered with Motorla and probably Samsung to have it pre-installed. And a lot of people stick to the default one.
Once they are bought out by the singular mega corporation you will have only few choices left.
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Learn to love their products
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Sit idle in the dust because without their product you cannot partake in society.
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Join an OpenClan and become a technomage
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I imagine all of this data collection would greatly improve AI around browser use? That could be a feature with enough draw in the consumer space.
Rich CEOs will want all their employees using it and only web apps so that they can try to use that data to replace them. Their perplexity dashboard will have a list of all their employees, AI’s fine-tuned on that employee’s data.
The future is bright… /s
because it has AI omg this will make our lives so much easier for real
Srinivas believes that Perplexity’s browser users will be fine with such tracking because the ads should be more relevant to them.
Believes it, or is just spinning it that way?
You could show me an ad for exactly what I want in that moment and I’d immediately not want it any more.
Enough already.
You could show me an ad for exactly what I want in that moment and I’d immediately not want it any more.
Depends, if it is an ad for an orbital laser that targets marketing executives it might work on me.
You could show me an ad for exactly what I want in that moment and I’d immediately not want it any more.
proceeds to show something you don’t want at all
Exactly!
When using my current browser, any guess as to how often I’ve said to myself “I need a browser that spies on me more”?
Beep boop, this is your browser speaking. You have stated that you need a browser that spies on you more one (1) times.
6?
