This article feels super rage bait-y to be honest. Like my first reaction at the title is of course, being like “thats fucked up” but as im reading it, it feels like this article was written in a manipulative way. There’s no sources at all, can’t find any using English google, decided to literally figure out how to search Dutch google in Dutch just to find something more reputable and there’s only this one site, which has 2 articles, the only 2 links in either is one article pointing to the other, and another link to what is clearly (from the add/article layout) a Belgium tabloid of some kind.
Like nothing about the people involved or the situation, but this website is some shit, and so is the other one covering this. They may be on the right side of this story but this website itself feels incredibly un-credible, and I wouldn’t think to assume Belgium has some sort of news media problem where like, the gossip tabloids are the last bastions fighting for bodily autonomy and consent, where it would make sense that there is no other source.
Thanks. That’s the kind of comments Reddit was great for a long time ago. Now it’s just immediate jump to outrage without anyone reading the article or doing any research when in doubt. And you even posted your conclusion. That’s just very very helpful
Thank you, this means a lot.
Except the comment is absolute horseshit. Vrt is the public broadcasting and news service and absolutely not a tabloid, furthermore this story is well documented and has been all over Belgian news for a week so it’s absolutely uncalled for to call the veracity of this story into question.
If you want a source, here is a direct link to the verdict: https://rechtbanken-tribunaux.be/sites/default/files/media/reatpi/leuven/files/correctioneel-vonnis-leuven-1-april-2025.pdf
Feel free to cross reference with the article and point out inaccuracies. As far as I can tell, the article is factual but perhaps a bit short on details and context. Nevertheless, this story has been covered extensively and much more in depth in Dutch on the same website. In fact, I retrieved the link to the verdict from an article on vrt.be.
bit short on details and context
That is the litteral definition of rage bait. Leaving out details and context to just tell people what they should feel. It doesen’t matter if it’s on a subject matter I would otherwise be in support of or not. It’s fucked up.
If you have a good point to make, you can make it proper. Doing it with rage bait is a fucked up way to profit from a tragedy while undermining real progress on solving the underlying problem by fucking with people’s trust. This is performative bullshit that grand standers do to make a buck off something, while causing more harm in the long term.
And I did read the PDF you linked after translating it, and that only verified how rage baity that article was written (at least their English version in the op link). Here it is in English for anyone else who wants to see: https://imgur.com/a/CeM1VDi
I also didn’t call the veracity of the fucking story into question. What the actual fuck is your problem? Do you need to lash out on people for not automatically knowing the same shit you know? I appreciate the fucking verdict link, which was what I was trying to find in the first place, but you didn’t need to be a dick about it.
I was annoyed because that article on it’s own basically says “take this as we tell it to you or go fuck yourself” with the way it’s presenting the info. It’s about fucking delivery. Thanks for bringing the shitty part of Reddit with you, I came here to avoid, by completely missing the point of what I was saying just to fabricate yourself a target to take your shitty day out on.
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Jesus quit straw-manning, I didn’t say Vrt was a tabloid, I said the only site they refrenced, and only in the dutch version of the artcile, was the tabloid, not Vrt.
vrt.be is a very reputable site and not a tabloid. It belongs to the Flemish public broadcasting service, and they mostly write articles in Dutch. They do have an English section as well, though obviously it’s not as thorough as their Dutch site. After all, we are a Dutch speaking region.
I can assure you that this case is very real, and has been all over the Belgian media the past week. Just google “verkrachter leuven”, and you’ll literally find hundreds of news articles about this case.
decided to literally figure out how to search Dutch google in Dutch just to find something more reputable
Looks like you didn’t do a very good job then.
I appreciate the info but it would be a lot easier for them to demonstrate their legitimacy by using reference links that point somewhere besides their own internal articles, as opposed to the burden being on me to familiarize myself with a language I don’t know and entire nations culture/media landscape on a dime, in order to do that job for them.
They could be less lazy if they are reputable.
Edit: PS the one site they linked to (on the dutch version of the article, not the English one) was the one I said was a tabloid. It very clearly is a tabloid and it basically has the exact same formatting and color scheme as The Sun.
you could use an editor, same here
Of course you, who looked into this, barely have any notice.
There is going to be a new trial, everybody chill out.
fuck if i understand belgian law, but it seems appropriate to say what the fuck is this
I don’t think it matters where this happened. IMO, “what the fuck is this” is the appropriate reaction to giving no consequences for rape. This would also apply to a litany of other offenses, but in this case rape.
I also think rape is one of the worst things anyone could do to another, right up there with slavery, torture, and other, similar things. I would consider murder to be less offensive, since at least then the person doesn’t have to work through the trauma after. It’s a mercy. Still unacceptable in a civilized society, but anything you have to live the rest of your life dealing with, is worse IMO.
A fate worse than death. In this case, getting SA’d, and having your attacker convicted and let go because of bullshit like this. Idk about you all, but that would fuck me right up.
Well let’s Brock Allen Turner this motherfucker
What’s the guys name? You’re right that we need to treat him like that other rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
Are you guys talking about the rapist, Brock Allen Turner, or a different rapist named Brock Allen Turner?
There’s just the one Brock Allen Turner, rapist, of which I’m aware. This other guy, though, needs to be made as famous as Brock.
It was posted here by someone but it got removed. I guess we reddit now
Oh well, wonder where I can search to what a promising career looks like to a rapist
NAME AND FUCKING SHAME
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He looks like a rich spoiled fuckboy. I hope no hospital hires him
hey we love these, wait wut
look it’s inappropriate to the extreme to make fun of names, so fuck Dr. Ruben Van Stiphout and he sounds like a little shit
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Thank you, I’m not allowed yet to upload pictures
In Belgium a couple of years ago a brown student died during a hazing at a fraternity. Every one involved , all white and sons of doctors, lawyers and judges, basically came away scott free. They were all sentenced to community service and weren’t found guilty for criminal negligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sanda_Dia
Belgium has a elitism problem. Bet if this rapist was a brown medical student or a street sweeper or something he would’ve gotten jail time.
Obligatory reminder that Belgium has a unresolved problem with a pedophile ring raping and murdering children with impunity, enjoying protection and likely having direct involvement of the highest ranks of politics, police and judiciary.
I think you have enough pedos in your own country to worry about a thing from 30 years ago
k. what you yelling about then?
Not yelling, that’s he imagination in your weard head.
Jusqt saying a Germ definitely shouldn’t be obsessed with something totally unrelated to this case.
Especially knowing how horrible you all are.Deflection. Probably feels threatened by you mentioning it.
thereby, you’ve doomed us all, because you even thought of that
They were both drunk. She was more drunk.
yeah i fail to see how this is rape. i guess every drunken hookup we later regret is a rape
If your definition of every drunken hookup is, that they are unable to stand on their own…
So you like to fuck lifeless bodies? Fucking necrophile 🤢
They are cold, unless you are in time
She was unable to walk-drunk, he got her home.
This guy wants to be a gynaecologist for fucks sake.what does gynaecology have to do with this?
Really?
You don’t see a problem with this guy being alone in a room with a woman in a vulnerable position having her genitals touched?If there’s a problem with him being a doctor, he shouldn’t be a doctor. The idea that vaginas are somehow especially vulnerable is mysticism.
I don’t think you understand the problem here.
JFC, I was afraid this was in the US. I’m not pleased to realize there are other places just as fucked up. Though in the US the excuse for letting him off would have to be that he was rich, not brilliant.
In the US and a lot of other countries this wouldn’t even be considered rape. It’s good that it is here, but this case isn’t quite as easy as it seems on first glance.
I think the judge made the right call here. It was a drunk hook up where both people were drunk, but conscious. The girl was quite a bit more drunk to the point where she was ruled unable to consent in a legal senses despite the fact she did and several witnesses confirmed she did.
Again, still rape, which is sex without consent, but very far from the vicious predator most people are picturing right now.
Yes, she made contact with him, he called her GF’s who didn’t answer bcs it was late and finally went home with him.
Bcs she was too drunk it is considered rape.
This article is doesn’t accurately tell the events.
But I agree he wouldn’t be let off if he wasn’t a privileged student.
Hey, I’m really young and talented! I would hope to one day meet an awesome playmate like Lulu Chu. She is awesome like Tera Patrick but in a more docile… Oh my wife said no. Sorry Lulu! Maybe pen pals? I’ll check with my wife.
This reminds me of the rapist Brock Turner, aka Allen Turner, the rapist.
Oh Allen Turner? Who started using his middle name instead of Brock Turner? Because he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster? That guy? (Brock/Allen Turner?)
I just want to be sure I’m thinking of the right guy…
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/index.html
This Brock Allen Turner right?
Does the rapist Brock Allen Turner still live in Oakwood Ohio, a wealthy suburb of Dayton Ohio?
Hey all, anyone who cares about/is interested in knowing more about the crime committed by the rapist Brock Allen Turner should read Know My Name, written by the woman who was actually assaulted, Chanel Miller.
I highly recommend listening to the audio book, as she reads it herself and has a powerful voice.
Yes, the rapist Brock Allen Turner is also the first thing that crossed my mind. How he got away after raping that girl and now is even trying to change his name.
By finding him guilty but not punishing him, he will be made to feel guilty and the chance of him reoffending will be prevented, without socially impairing the man
What a load of horse shit. “Letting him get away with rape penalty free will ensure he doesn’t do it again” is some crazy fucking logic. Seems like knowing there are no consequences for your actions would make repeating the offense significantly more likely.
It’s funny that the court would explicitly legitimize the idea that some people deserve to be “socially impaired” and others do not despite committing exactly the same crime.
Funny in the sense that it contradicts the entire foundation that the legal system is based on and makes the court look illegitimate and deliberately corrupt.
I’m sure this concept of non-punishment will now be applied to many other cases across social classes, right?
Right…?
It’s a bit like the old sitcom “Night Court” where the judge would find the ladies of the evening guilty as charged and turn them loose with “time served” as their penalty.
This “lack of sentence” is a bit more than time served since the penalty for this crime can still be applied at any time if the offender is in court for anything else.
It’s overly lenient and a bad message, but better than letting off manslaughter charges for a defense of “affluenza.” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43621839
Hey, it worked great when Susan Collins took that approach with orangeboi in his first term, didn’t it?
…didn’t it…?
Oh wow, something from Belgium showed up here. Obviously most reactions are the same here. But I would urge everyone to read more details about this. As there much more uncomfortable nuance here. One of those being that the dude is also in agreement he did something wrong. He also gave a relatively accurate description of the events of that evening that got proven with phone records and CCTV at different locations. Making his account of what happened at the least somewhat reliable.
Obviously the woman could not consent because she was drunk as fuck. And she’s allowed to get drunk as fuck without being taken advantage off. CCTV showed them kissing at the bar they met. Phone records show he tried to call her friend she was supposed to go home with. CCTV shows them going to that friend’s dorm and not getting in and waiting there for half an hour. Then they walk back to his place while kissing on the way there. The morning after his messages to her indicate he wants to continue seeing her. (https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20250402_95297572?journeybuilder=nopaywall but it’s in Dutch)
Again, she could not consent, and he as the least drunk of both of them bears the responsibility of this. I do think he should have had some form of punishment above of what he got and for the woman’s feeling of safety a restraining order like she asked. And something that would have made mandatory counselling and follow-up possible. Not to mention that although justice in Belgium isn’t supposed to be revenge, it should also cause some sort of satisfaction for the victim.
This situation just shows that the definition of rape over the decades has become more complex and nuanced, but unfortunately the tools to deal with this have not. This dude definitely did something wrong, but he’s not just a vicious predator.
If they were both drunk, could either of them consent?
What does that matter if he was drunk to?
Apparently not too drunk to undress her, and himself, then insert himself.
This is rape.
??? She did consent, but while completely drunk. The argument being made is that she can’t consent while drunk, but he also consented while drunk. Did she rape him?
This is neckbeard level of thinking and it’s gross, she couldn’t walk on her own and he brought her to his place and raped her, his level of drunkness was faaaar lower. Disgusting humans everyone that says tjis is ok to do. But that’s what you get when you were born with a small ugly dick, you need girls to be drunk to start sucking that tiny penis
Should’ve bought a Realdoll if he likes lifeless bodies
It really depends on how drunk you actually were at the time, and that’s what makes cases like this so difficult. Generally speaking, simply being drunk isn’t enough.
Hell, even being blackout drunk isn’t enough. Because you can be blacked out without being passed out; Blackout drunk simply means your brain isn’t recording things to your memory, so you won’t remember it after you sober up. Contrary to popular belief, alcohol doesn’t make you forget existing memories. It just makes it so you don’t ever commit things to memory in the first place. That’s what happens when you’re blackout drunk.
In order to be incapable of consenting, you need to be so drunk that you can’t comprehend what is happening. Because informed consent requires two things: Information anbout what is happening, and enthusiasm. You can have both, even while blackout drunk. Because you forgetting your enthusiasm the next morning doesn’t automatically make it rape. After all, you were informed and enthusiastic when it was happening, so you consented. If you were capable of understanding what was happening and were enthusiastic, it’s not legally considered rape.
And that’s a surprisingly high threshold to beat. You usually need to prove to the courts that you were basically passed out (and therefore unable to be informed about what was happening) before they’ll consider it rape.
Even if people would colloquially consider drunk sex rape, that’s not typically how the courts view it. And that’s a large part of why so many accused rapists get off without a guilty verdict; The victim basically has to prove that they were missing either information or enthusiasm to overcome the accused’s “they consented to it” defense. And if the victim was blacked out and doesn’t even remember the evening, that becomes extremely difficult to do without outside witnesses corroborating that the victim was passed out and/or combative.
And hell, in cases like the Brock Turner one, even when the victim proves that she was passed out, the rapist can still get away with just a slap on the wrist.
He can get away with it when he’s “Upstanding Citizen From An Impeccable Family, And This Would Ruin His Future.”
In other words, a rich male white kid. Whose daddy plays golf with the attorneys, and judge.
The Affluenza defense.
Because of the fallout about this the entire ruling was made public. It’s clear that the wording used everywhere is rage bait. Again I think he should not have gotten the sentence suspended but it’s not like the judges said it got suspended because he’s such a bright boy…
You can’t legally consent to things if you aren’t of sound mind and body.
A lot of the commenters here can’t legally consent to anything, then
Brock Turner?
You mean convicted rapist Brock Turner?
I just want to make sure that’s the rapist Brock Turner you’re talking about and not some other Brock Turner.
I only know of one Brock Turner, and he definitely raped a woman, but the judge let him off easy because he has affluenze.
The judge decided that a punishment might jeopardize the rich kid’s future, and cited that he hadn’t been brought up to realize the consequences of his actions. To my naive understanding that seems like a really teachable moment.
By the way, in case anyone wasn’t sure: Brock Turner, the convicted rapist, raped a woman and got away with it because his parents are rich.
How dare you besmirch Brock Turner.
The convicted rapist FORMERLY known as Brock Turner is now known as Allen Turner!
Get it right!
/SARCASM
Fuck that guy. I hope it follows him the rest of his life.
Thank for making sure we all remember Brock Turner that changed his name to Allen Turner is a rapist!
Rapist Brock Turner, aka rapist Allen Turner, who got a 6-month slap-on-the-wrist sentence for what his father called (and I quote) “twenty minutes of action”? That rapist Brock Allen Turner? The one who only served 3 months?!
“Hell, your Honor, he had whiskey dick! It took 13 minutes to get it up! How much damage could he have done!”
Disgusting.
I wonder if he would have felt the same if a bunch of Frat Bros had cornholed his son in a “Hazing Ritual.”
Yeah, Brock aka Allen Turner! The rapist who barely got inconvenienced after he raped a woman who was passed out. The one who had two guys testify against him because they interrupted him in the middle of raping someone.
That rapist Brock Turner.
Now known as Allen Turner. The Rapist.
And how do you determine who raped who if it’s a question about how drunk you were? I have had a lot of nights out in my teens (european), where I have no clue what happened after midnight, but didn’t get home until 05:00. If I had sex with someone pretty much equally as drunk, who did the raping?
Uh, when you walk into an alley to piss, and there’s an unconcious girl with a dude on top of her humping, you kinda know…
And that’s exactly what happened.
I’m talking about this case with the medical student.
Noted.
I’m talking about Brock Turner, AKA Allen Turner, who was caught doing exactly what I posited, and was let off because he was a rich white male, and had a “promising future.”
Oh… you didn’t hear
Wait, so women can’t have sex while drunk or else it’s automatically rape? TIL I rape my wife every time.
Disgusting human you are
So, if you and I hang out, get drunk, you pass out, and I’m all up in ya, it’s not rape?
Cool. I"m going to a party next weekend. Want to go? What’s it going to be like? Drinking, fighting, crying, fucking. Who all’s going? Just me and you. Interested?
There are different levels of being drunk. She was so drunk she blacked out and had trouble walking. He As drunk but can supply a recollection of what happened. There’s nuance like I said, but someone who can recollect events and relies on his rational actions where he called her friends can logically be considered to be more responsible for not taking into consideration she was too drunk to be able to consent.
Alcohol impairment can be very messy. I know someone who had 1 and a half drinks, had no speech slurring or obvious signs of being black-out drunk, but did not remember a third of the night the next day because she’s a lightweight that’s drank a single-digit number of times in her life (she’d also eaten very little that day and had some recent sleep debt). I would not have guessed she was blackout drunk, she was just talking about her problems and was articulate the entire time I saw her. If I didn’t know she had been drinking, I can’t think of how I would’ve known short of some kind of specific motor function test that’s made to suss that out/harder than just sitting around, talking, and occasionally going to the restroom. She just looked a little tired. When we spoke later, she didn’t remember basically anything after a certain point (a couple of hours’ worth) and wondered if some vague flashes of memories had been dreams. It was rather surprising to me.
That’s the difference between blackout, and passed out.
People who are blackout drunk can be walking and talking, and not remember anything later.
Passed out is unconscious.
I don’t understand what your point is in this context.
To add to this, the university decided to suspend him. The court did also order him to pay a fine to the victim.
What the actual fuck.
Don’t worry, that’s not the real reason. The real reason is most likely that the perpetrators family is rich and the victim’s family isn’t.
Latest case of affluenza. He needs the Brock Turner treatment. You remember the rapist Brock Turner, right?
The article doesn’t mention this rapist’s name, though.
Little coward is probably afraid of getting the Brock Allen Turner treatment.
If he’s been convicted, he shouldn’t have a choice about that.
I actually spend quite a lot of time in Leuven these days, and looking at some of those houses and the general state of Belgium today … I can’t say that’s not likely to be true.
It’s just that the place kinda struck me as safe. I guess it’s not.
Belgium has some of (if not the) lowest income inequality in the OECD due to our very harsh income tax (highest median tax wedge of the OECD, yes even including the nordics). With quite a few asterisks attached to that statement of course because our fiscal system is a complete mess so if you’re special kinds of well off (e.g. you make your income on capital gains) you’ll be taxed very little.
How low income inequality doesn’t correlate to very high standards of living like it does in the Nordics… Well I’ll leave it to historians and economists to hash it out. The answer you get will almost certainly reflect that person’s personal politics. Harsh industrial decline is worth mentioning though.Wallonia is measurably poorer than Flanders, but both regions are developed western economies. The US has a murder rate 535 % of Belgium’s, and I don’t see anyone warning students away from studying there (or well, not until the past few months).
That judge should be investigated and the prosecutor should definitely appeal, and besides there is a lot of work to do safety-wise, especially for women to be able to feel safe, but that’s hardly a problem specific to Leuven or Belgium.It is quite safe. What I heard about this case is that the victim was happy with the outcome.
They met at a party, she was drunk. He said he asked consent, she said he raped her. There was no evidence or allegation of force, just that she couldn’t have consented in her drunken state.
He had a clean record.
He got convicted and ordered to pay €3500 and if he commits another crime, then this one will count too.
She was satisfied with the outcome. She especially wanted recognition that it was rape.
I think this is a good outcome. If he ever rapes someone again, he’ll be a serial rapist and get the book thrown at him.
And on the flipside, I find it difficult to throw the book at people under the circumstances in these kind of cases.
How can she be happy with the outcome when she asked for a restraining order??? And that did not happen
You’re gonna have to give a source for the victim being satisfied with the outcome.
There are a few other articles it seems - this one has:
While the victim has found some solace in the court’s recognition of her assault, she is disappointed that her attacker faces no real consequences.
Which says she was not happy with the outcome, only that the rape was recognized.
Per this article:
Leuven University Hospital has suspended a medical student that was convicted of raping another student but was not sentenced for his crime.
The school has at least ensured there were some measure of consequences. Also:
Chief physician Gert Van Assche said that "First and foremost our thoughts go out to the victim. Together with KU Leuven we will look at the court’s ruling and examine how we will go on from there. In the meantime, as a precautionary measure the doctor concerned has been suspended from duties at the hospital”.
The only other article was paywalled and seemed to have no additional information anyway.
Edit: I think its worth noting, though it can be seen in the link, he was studying gynecology.
Also how many people will potentially suffer before another one comes forward and gets taken seriously? 🤨
Nevertheless, the judge refrained from passing sentence. “It is undeniable that he passed the line of what is permissible. The man showed a lack of respect for the victim’s physical, psychological and sexual boundaries.
I don’t know how they do it over there, but where I’m from, those are 3 things someone should probably respect if they’re going to be placed in a position requiring great trust like a doctor…
They changed it though. Now they are saying she wanted him to be ineligible to practice medicine.
Regardless of why he got suspension of penalty, if you read anything about the case it wasn’t because he or his parents are rich. Personally I think there’s more nuance than the clickbait headlines. I think he should not have gotten the penalty suspended but I can understand why that happened. The shortened motivation for this does read like ragebait ofcourse. His future should not have been as important as his cooperation, verifiable truthfulness and the fact he did abuse the state of someone who could not consent. Where that balance ends for punishment ends I find hard to say. But to reduce it to that he’s rich is just populist nonsense.
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The conviction will not appear on the man’s criminal record. However, if he reoffends, he will be sentenced for this rape as well as for the new offence.
Why wait to be proven wrong? I don’t understand. Rapists shouldn’t be doctors.
Doctors get one rape…
He claims that he asked her several times if she consented and that he had been given the impression that she did.
In his summing up the judge said “It has been proven that sexual intercourse took place at a time that she was in a state that meant that she couldn’t possibly consent to it. The offence is serious and unacceptable.”
Wow, we can both read! That’s awesome. Now one of us just has to work on their comprehension and maybe even finish the article next time…
You asked why wait. The point of jail and fines is to avoid reoffending. The judge thinks he won’t, and will be more valuable to society as a doctor than an inmate. Also If he does this again then he will get hit twice as hard.
Something tells me that they are not publishing his name because they’re betting that his future patients would feel differently. I would not want to see Dr. Rapist for any reason, even if he’s the best physician in the city.
He was training to be a gynecologist, so definitely would rape again. Don’t wish for him to have another victim but sounds like a second offense gets him a sentence for the first one as well.
His training to be a gynecologist is irrelevant. Please do not propagate the myth that men go into gynecology to take advantage of women. If he’s a rapist, that’s independent.
unrelated to male gynecologists in general, this particular gynecologist is a rapist and will have lots of access to vulnerable victims.
Seems like his goal from the beginning
