That’s the problem with platforms that offshoot for free speech reasons.
I want to be able to say eat the rich and luigi magione was right.
Others want to spout hate in all forms.
Then people begin to argue these are the save of you should tolerate intolerance. Which you should never do
I want to be able to say eat the rich and luigi magione was right.
You can. !luigimangione@lemmy.world & !eattherich@lemmy.world
You just can’t advocate for violence.
That seems like a contradictory statement
Also read this instances TOS and it is pretty lame. I have particular issue with no war footage. If you are in a democratic nation that is either in a war or funding a war you should see it’s results for what it is. War is ugly and hiding that is a great disservice to the world
But I suppose the advantage of lemmy is I can simply find an instance not afraid to share those and still have access to this one
Honestly I don’t entirely disagree. But it is a very… nuanced situation.
I think there’s a layer of subjectivity that protects us from getting banned from LW. Things like “free Luigi” and “Luigi did nothing wrong” are fine because they’re not directly advocating for violence. But you can’t say X, Y, or Z should get murdered. I think that’s the line.
I moderate both of those subs but honestly I think I’d agree with you, .world was not the best place to create those communities.
Sorry for the random question but I’m pretty new to the whole lemmy/fediverse thing.
If I’m signed up through lemmy world and someone shares something like this in a different server will I still see it in my feed? Or would I need an account elsewhere.
If browsing all posts and if lemmy.world is “federated” with that server then yes.
But I don’t think that’s very likely.
I see, thank you for the reply. Guess it’d probably be worth spreading out a couple different accounts then.
You can subscribe to communities in other servers directly from 1 account. Only exception is if that server isn’t federated
This is a lemm.ee account and I’m commenting here
I’ve always been intolerant of intolerance
Shit
They wanted to be Reddit again and boy are they still trying to do that.
We should all block Lemmy.world unless they get their act together.
There are a few instances I wish mine would unblock, but world is not one of them
I do like the friendly vibe of Beehaw!
As long as it’s the user doing it, not instances.
It’s up to the instances to keep their communities safe for everyone.
This is why having different instances is great. If I feel like one is too heavy-handed with blocking others, I can just use another one that isn’t and choose what I want to block.
If the instance allows it, then the instance is doing it.
But the user is choosing, to, not the instance.
What the hell did I miss this time?
It’s such a cesspool over there
I didn’t realize there was much of a culture difference between the instances. Is this written down anywhere?
Not really. And that’s because anybody who would write it down recognizes that they’re going to get piled on.
There’s some that are quite clearly different than most. hexbear is probably one of the most notorious. lemmy.ml, while commonly associated with hexbear, still has a clearly different vibe from hexbear.
But with regards to toleration of transphobia, there’s certainly variation with regards to moderation, which means certain instances have much more widespread transphobia than others. Similarly differences exist with regards to other forms of bigotry, such as some instances tolerating pretty overt misogyny with regards to the bear vs man in a forest topic while others used it as a chance to ban a lot of people they didn’t want in their communities. Some see their instances more like a small community to hang out with friends and others see their instance more as a public forum open to anyone.
Lemmy.world for some reason seems to both have a lot of ban-happy mods, regularly being mentioned in places like PTBs, yet somehow is also known for tolerating transphobia.
Apparently at least one person associates the instance I’m posting from with people who just want reddit (unsurprising given the name it would appeal to such) and the person claimed to assume I was being transphobic somehow because of the instance I was on (I think they missed a word like “not” or something that drastically changed the meaning).
Imo, blahaj has a lot more similar feel to reddit trans communities than a lot of the other trans communities on the fediverse.
I don’t normally pay attention to what instance communities or posters are from, so I don’t really have much direct opinion and more just see second-hand opinions.
I first noticed the issue with .world when discussion of Luigi was censored there in December. That’s why I’m not on there any more. They’re too eager to toe the line and appear corpo friendly like reddit.
The admins influence the culture of their instances a lot more than they would like to admit.
Fair, but I have to admit, it’s kind of hard to figure out.
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The admin is great and doesn’t put up with nonsense. Downvotes are disabled, which took some getting used to. I have never regretted my choice of instance. Very queer-friendly and I like the people as a whole. Welcome, hope you love it.
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Blahaj is pretty good. I think you don’t get a downvote option there which I don’t quite understand but the people are chill.
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Can someone recommend me a new instance and how to move my account?
You can’t move your account but you can have multiple acounts with the same name if they’re not on the same instance. In the Voyager app you can stay logged into more than one at the same time. Also you can check out most instances without creating an account so I’d suggest taking a look yourself to see what you like. You can find a list with filter options here.
Dbzer0 is cool, too, AFAIK
This is true!
People really want free speech until they don’t.
If someone’s being a prick, just clown on them. They are entitled to speak their opinion, regardless of how stupid it is. Social ostracization will always be worse than anything moderation can do anyways.
The tolerant must not tolerate the intolerant
There is no objective truth; you can’t say someone who is intolerant is objectively incorrect, because in their worldview they are correct. Yes, there are bigots in the world, but taking away their right to speak is a theft of their basic human rights, and the issue is not a question of tolerance, the issue is that by silencing someone for their intolerant worldview you are righteously proclaiming your worldview as correct. I wouldn’t want my morals righteously applied onto other people; because I don’t believe my morals are objectively correct. That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna confront someone if they something I don’t jive with, it just means that I do not think they should lose their right to an opinion just because its “wrong”
That works while there’s enough people. If they outnumber the ones doing the clowning, it starts working the opposite way.
This is a clown shit comment, so I’m gonna clown on it. You are a clown. 🤡
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so please leave any politics
You say, as you wade in to a topic that only exists for political reasons, and is actively driven and sustained entirely for political reasons
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Ada and Smorks are the best!
Trans-women are women who represent 0.2% of the population whom many are taking estrogen. You don’t care about regulating those with natural physical advantages in sports just with those who were often excluded from society as you want to keep hurting people for no reason.
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Mixed teams, weight classes, a handicap system. These issues have been solved before the word transgender was even invented. And for some sports a natural advantage is just how it goes. I’ve never heard anyone propose banning tall people from playing basketball. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that what you said is the prevalent opinion and I don’t think it’s neccessarily coming from a bad place. But it’s misinformed and inherently political and I think it’s important to acknowledge that.
how do you guys think about sending woman with abnormally high testosterone to a mostly male team and vice versa?
This for example sounds viable to many people unfamiliar with the matter but in reality we might as well separate athletes by zodiac signs since testosterone levels just aren’t a reliable marker at all.
Another thing I see sometimes is the proposal of an all trans olympic alternative which among other things goes to show that people vastly overestimate the amount of trans athletes thanks to said politicisation.
This^ - as @ToxicWaste@lemm.ee noted - women and men are good at different things so I don’t see why we can’t require mixed gender teams with equal representation for pretty much all sports.
And if somebody cries “fOrCeD dIvErSiTy!!” then you never really cared about women’s participation in sports anyways.
i like that: just sports, not womens- or mens- or trans- or whatever- sports. but by which system do you stop an all males team identifying as women for the duration of a weightlifting competition?
i dont have a good answer. but i was hoping someone in the discussion has.
Many/most sports require trans women to have been on HRT for 12-24 months prior to the competition.
agreed, testosterone (or other hormones) are a flawed system for categorising competitors. so is weight class, as women generally have a higher body fat ratio. so is any system we can come up with. however what I categorize MYSELF as, is probably the worst system. trans people should, like any other person, be able to do sports. but to have competition we need a better system then people choosing their opponents.
so that is why i am asking what systems you guys suggest.
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They come into our community and start arguing against our rights.
