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Mostly because our ability to organize and unify against the wealthy is overwhelmed by the wealthy’s tools to keep us factioned and distrustful of each other. Hence the necessity of the fascist enemy within rhetoric.
The problem is, we humans are simple emotional beings who are really credulous when it comes to being told stuff we want to hear, and the wealthy have crafted messaging catering to this bias and wishful thinking (hence “you are the chosen people and have to massacre all the others who are spiritual flesh-eating zombies”)
That sounds way cooler to the lumpen-proletariat than “you’re just another commoner, but if we work together we can topple the people who hoard all the stuff and make a fun themepark for everyone!”
ngl I’d turn against my fellow man if I, exclusively, was offered a couple mil untaxed income instantly from a billionaire
You’re not alone. Karel Čurda turned in Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš for assassinating Reinhard Heydrich (The naziest nazi of all the nazis, also the chief implementer of the Holocaust. Also the only assassination effort implemented by the Allies). Čurda got the reward of one million Reichmarks for betraying his own sabotage team.
Čurda would then be hanged for high treason in 1947.
make sure you get paid up front, dude. these people do not keep their promises. money is also a promise. don’t trust that shit either. the moment you outlive your usefulness; you’re out.
In my workplace filled with engineers there was a good ammount of trust for management for years, our director was considered to be a cool, unrestanding guy. It toppled in an instant when a new CEO decided to implement new set of much stricter rules that made everyone realise they are indeed members of working class and not the mythical middle class. It doesn’t change much that your tool is a computer and not a greasy, dirty and smelly machine and your job requires a degree, if you work for a private enterprise your work and life is not worth more than an imaginary number representing a market value of the company. From my perspective it’s funny to see how belief in meritocracy falls after years of being made fun of for mocking it.
it’s equal parts frustrating and satisfying. a lifetime of cassandra, and no recognition when I finally get to scream “I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!” at the top of my lungs about everything, because still nobody wants to fix it and I’ve got nothing better to do.
oh for sure. if I’m gonna sell out humanity, I’m gonna make sure to give you guys the respect you deserve by making sure I’m paid in full.
well, no, again, ‘paid’ implies money, which can just be declared fake. your accounts, the serial numbers on your bills, the provenance of the art or precious metals shipped to you. if you aren’t absolutely in control in that system, you are nothing, and if you outlive your usefulness, why should they let you keep your points and continue extracting treats from their pool of treats?
the only thing to do that would keep any value given to you would be to continue your utility to them, until you fucking die, or be at the top.
you must be fun at parties
I wouldn’t know; I’ve never been invited to one.
Well that couple mil is gonna be completely useless if we go into a depression or worse suffer a total economic collapse.
Guns. The answer is guns, Lrrr.
We’re the only people who have to worry about having a conscience and morals.
And prison
I so fucking love this so, so much
Their meat is oily and diseased?
To flip Curtis Yarvin’s script, they’d make better biofuel to actually be useful.
What about Morty-style psychic shields?
And you would probably get high on ketamine from consuming it as well.
We could brand it as Special K and introduce a meat line of products
Some project 2025 authors were joking about making biofuel of the elderly and disabled…
Generous of you to assume they were joking rather than testing the waters.
People like that don’t joke about those kinds of things (they typically have no sense of humor at all). They use the guise of humor as plausible deniability for their insane beliefs.
Just use livestock if you’re hellbent on that? There’s not enough humans to make that economically viable… Hell, why am I taking this seriously, it’s obviously not a serious proposal, right?
This. The rich are only 1% of humans or less. Composting them will not feed all the remaining humans for any significant amount of time. But eating them also kinda will not. Maybe BCI will be the solution, so the rich could decide to increase their sense of empathy through neural stimulation. Who knows, maybe they would actually like to be like others at some point because ASI tells them to.
We could compost all dead humans though instead of piling them in cemeteries where they turn to candle wax mummies. Would that be a brave new world? ;)
Maybe they’ve heard the legend about holocaust soap made from human fat and decided “that’s a great idea”
Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.
That’s how Lenin got in power. It’s how the French decapitated their king. That’s why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.
Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.
Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don’t revolt.
However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.
What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.
Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.
Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.
Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.
Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.
So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.
Iran, 1977, mass demonstrations that were often kicked off by communists and socialists leading to a revolution in 1979.
Iran, 1988, communists, many who were involved in the revolution, begin being executed by the Islamic government.
Revolution is also sadly no guarantee of anything getting better.
“The moral arc of history bends towards justice” is a lie Westerners have sold themselves for far too long while the evidence otherwise has stared them in the face if they were paying any attention at all.
This is a great point that I haven’t heard before, and it seems intuitively correct. Considering overall economic mobility has gotten worse over the decades, I suppose one way you could validate this is by looking at the stats for economic mobility differentiated by… academic success? Measured IQ? Skill acquisition? None of those are good isolated indicators but maybe there’s a good measure where you can say “economic mobility increased for skilled people over time, but decreased for less-skilled people over the same time period.”
This is not a criticism of your point, by the way. I think you’re right. Just wondering exactly how right.
Economic mobility is usually determined by things like IQ, EQ and other marketable skills. So I don’t really know if your proposal is the right way to measure it. But such data would at least give some insight.
In the USA, most research I have seen says they have low economic mobility, because the rich have access to the best schools, etc.
But still, it’s not zero. Both JD Vance and AOC are examples of economic mobility.
One of them still fights (or appears to fight) for the class they came from, the other is successfully recruited to serve the interests of the ruling class.
Were they born in 1908 (and ignoring race and gender for the moment), then probably both of them would have been leaders for the working class.
in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.
(I can’t be the first person to have this thought so someone please chime in and tell me where to learn more.)
The scale of housing and factories was different in 1908 though. These days factories are giant complexes in the middle of nowhere with supercommuters that don’t live anywhere near each other or the factory so don’t have the same opportunities to fraternize and organize in their homes and taverns. I don’t know how workers can overcome this massive hurdle from the modern era.
True, but nowadays most people don’t work in factories.
The modern equivalent would be the cashiers of Walmart and the baristas of Starbucks.
I have been starting to think it might be our job as humans to destroy those machines. I certainly have a fair amount of rage against these machines.
Yeah, part of it is definitely lack of “third places” (i.e. issues of car dependency/bad zoning) and declining social institutions.
I’m not advocating it tbh
They probably taste like shit and cocaine
I’m vegan - I compost the rich.
Vegans like you make me interested in veganism. The diet seems to have some beneficial effect on the sense of humor.
TL; DR I laughed my a** off, thank you!
Happy to be inspiring :)
TL; DR you just made my day :*
Remember, even herbivores are opportunistic carnivores on occasion. ☺️
For self-defense it’s actually okay.
It’s OK, they consent to it by being rich.
Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don’t also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.
What if the rich kept getting eaten until they figured out a system that the rest of us were satisfied with
Evolution 101 really.
can’t afford teeth in this economy
Because they taste like shit.
Better to leave them outside for the polar bears to eat so they stop starving to death.
Because that’s canabolism
which is bad, mkay.
It’s bad for your metabolism.
too much damn gristle
Because much of the working class is easily bought
Because they’re passive Americans?
